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Akok and Hawkins

When this team looks good depth is a strength to give him 2 mins is wild to me. 6 mins against DePaul. Akok should be able to give us active 15 mins.

I dk what you do with Hawkins now. I think the fact he isn’t further along is on Hurley.

We play too many non shooters. Hopefully Whaley can start making a 3 a game to stretch ppl out.
 
Burnsbros23 said:
When this team looks good depth is a strength to give him 2 mins is wild to me. 6 mins against DePaul. Akok should be able to give us active 15 mins.

I dk what you do with Hawkins now. I think the fact he isn’t further along is on Hurley.

We play too many non shooters. Hopefully Whaley can start making a 3 a game to stretch ppl out.
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The game playing strategy for opposing coaches is if Whaley makes one or two 3's it keeps Whaley on the court and Polley off the court. You take your chances of Whaley making one or two vice Polley making three or four.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I watch. He came in, fought hard for a rebound. Set two good screens, and blocked a shot and recovered it. That's his 2 minutes. Probably as good a two minute stretch as anybody had.

Hurley has blinders. He seems to have some vision he wants but doesn't accept what players do well. For example, Whaley is an awful screener. He never sets his feet, never holds through the screen and takes off before it is set. Akok is really the only guy on the team that sets good screens (Jackson at times). He's an aggressive and good rebounder on both ends. He shoots efficiently. Blocks shots. I really do not know what he's expecting...Donyell Marhsall?
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Who was Akok going to guard? The guy who spends 100% of the time on the perimeter and you have to chase around screens or the 6'7 guy who catches on the perimeter, faces up, and attacks the basket off the dribble?

Whaley guards both better and was 4/8 from 3. So there's no reason you would pick Akok over Whaley in 2 big lineups and then if you're going to play Akok and Whaley together you're forcing Akok to guard 1 of those guys AND are then benching Sanogo. And he's never going to play in 1 big lineups over either of those 2.
 
auror said:
Who was Akok going to guard? The guy who spends 100% of the time on the perimeter and you have to chase around screens or the 6'7 guy who catches on the perimeter, faces up, and attacks the basket off the dribble?

Whaley guards both better and was 4/8 from 3. So there's no reason you would pick Akok over Whaley in 2 big lineups and then if you're going to play Akok and Whaley together you're forcing Akok to guard 1 of those guys AND are then benching Sanogo. And he's never going to play in 1 big lineups over either of those 2.
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Polley played the 4 a lot the last two games and Akok can guard anyone better than Polley can . Akok's D isn't bad at all. His interior shot blocking and help D is very good. It's critical when we keep hedging.
 
methodology said:
6 guys played…. The other 3 players logged Hawkins (6 min), Gaffney (6 min), Akok (2 min)

You can’t be playing 6 man rotations you are going to run the main players into the ground. Just bad roster management
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They did the same thing... our starters just weren't good enough.
 
Akok is just not that good. Even with his setbacks from injury he should have more game by now. Hawkins Is a mystery because I hear he shoots lights out in practice and has shown some glimpses of being productive but he‘s having a very average freshman year. From the early hype I thought he’d be a weapon by February.
About last night’s game and maybe it was brought up in another thread but Raf mentioned the team had about a 2 hour shoot around. I think that may have had a mental fatiguing affect on the players. Whatever it was they weren’t sharp
 
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djct1999 said:
I suggest watching closely. Hurley can't be more clear about Akok. He isn't contributing on either end of the floor in games or in practice. He hasn't earned minutes.

I am a huge believer in Hawkins. He was brutal yesterday in the first half. he played himself off the court. In a close game, late in the game, he belonged on the bench.
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This is sadly correct.

Hawkins got open looks and was badly missing. He's also subpar on defense right now. He's a freshman and has time to develop.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Polley played the 4 a lot the last two games and Akok can guard anyone better than Polley can . Akok's D isn't bad at all. His interior shot blocking and help D is very good. It's critical when we keep hedging.
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But that's my point. He wouldn't have played on the interior at all and would not have been near the play to help, since Hawkins and Kaluma both play on the perimeter. On those 2, I'm not sure Akok's D would have been all that much better and Polley is a much more threatening offensive player.
 
methodology said:
6 guys played…. The other 3 players logged Hawkins (6 min), Gaffney (6 min), Akok (2 min)

You can’t be playing 6 man rotations you are going to run the main players into the ground. Just bad roster management
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I hear you but I am not sure that would have changed the outcome of this game or the other 4 point losses. We're just a fairly good team. Not top 10 as many of us would like it to be.
 
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bendm said:
this is more or less fair but the main takeaway should be that 6 top 150 recruits turned out to be borderline worthless this season. what were the odds of that???

sure using the last scholly would've been nice right about now, but hurley not wanting 14 players on the roster was 100% defensible at the time given that we supposedly had this great depth. hell half this board even thought springs would get PT this year.

so the decisions/choices did not put us in the depth bind, the lack of depth forced the decisions/choices. and so here we are.

PS- no matter how many people keep saying it, playing digg and samson for 10 mins more against the cupcakes wouldnt have miraculously enabled them to contribute last night against creighton
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The other ridiculous criticism is he didn't see Gaffney regressing. I mean, please. As a frosh Gaffney pushed Gilbert to the bench, as a Sophomore many here were arguing he was better than Cole and he started the season fine against cupcakes. What happened then? I have no clue. But the staff had to have believed that there were hundreds of things to worry about more pressing than Gaffney regressing the way he has.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
This is sadly correct.

Hawkins got open looks and was badly missing. He's also subpar on defense right now. He's a freshman and has time to develop.
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He absolutely did not miss badly last night and his defense isn’t as bad as people have been suggesting
 
methodology said:
And they fell flat in the last 6 minutes due to overusage
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As someone showed in one of these threads, both teams played six players with three others making cameos. There was no material different in the minutes played by the players on the two teams. But thanks for your non-fact.
 
businesslawyer said:
As someone showed in one of these threads, both teams played six players with three others making cameos. There was no material different in the minutes played by the players on the two teams. But thanks for your non-fact.
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Creighton didn’t have a 2 hour shoot around either care to put that in your facts

They should have an 8 man rotation not 6
 
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Alok can't cut it with his opponents at his position. It hurts to not have offense from Hawkins though. I counted on some.
 
methodology said:
He absolutely did not miss badly last night and his defense isn’t as bad as people have been suggesting
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Did you watch the same game I did? One of his threes hit the backboard and wasn't close to the rim. Another one was way off also.

Upon further review of this thread it looks like many of us saw something different than you did.
 
I‘m just wondering if Akok’s injury a few years back has gotten in his way and he’s lost confidence in himself…just sayin
it seems like before his injury he was playing lights out…not the same player now. Just my opinion
 
This staff is not doing a good job developing players right now. Still can’t believe the regression we’ve seen in Jordan Hawkins. Hurley has overcoached the confidence right out of him.
 
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HuskyGal3 said:
I‘m just wondering if Akok’s injury a few years back has gotten in his way and he’s lost confidence in himself…just sayin
it seems like before his injury he was playing lights out…not the same player now. Just my opinion
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From the games I’ve seen all Akok needs to do is stay in his man. He gets lost on every screen, pick, or switch. Bad too, as his length, athleticism, and effort can make up the ground. But he gets lost. If we played zone he’d be in all game.
 
BPM is stat that really measures your impact on the game offensively and defensively. Akok is third on the team. I love Sanogo but he was 3-10 last night. Whaley wasn’t great against DePaul.
 
methodology said:
He had 2 shots rim out that were halfway down
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Pretty sure you're thinking of two games ago.

Last game Hawkins' first shot violently caromed off the backboard and the second was a brick as well.

He has a nice stroke but he has absolutely zero confidence in his game right now. I don't see him getting it back playing through the toughest stretch of opponents we have either.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Is so then he never confuses the D because it he does it every time, and he does confuse his teammates, because too often they get swallowed up by a double team, especially Cole.
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Correct IMO. Whaley slipping is a good read at times. The problem is he does it 50% of the time. He flares to the 3 point line another 1/3 of the time. Both of these are good reads... but he needs to be setting strong screens half the time, not once every 5 trips down the floor.

That's something they should be going over in the film. Hopefully pays off vs Nova
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
This staff is not doing a good job developing players right now. Still can’t believe the regression we’ve seen in Jordan Hawkins. Hurley has overcoached the confidence right out of him.
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I don't know if it's quite that simple, but I'm sure if Hurley could redo everything he would coach him differently. It's hard to blame a coach for that. It's kind of unpredictable how a kid is going to deal with adversity... all of our recruits were highly successful in HS--they didn't deal with the ups and downs of a college season before really.
 
husky429 said:
I don't know if it's quite that simple, but I'm sure if Hurley could redo everything he would coach him differently. It's hard to blame a coach for that. It's kind of unpredictable how a kid is going to deal with adversity... all of our recruits were highly successful in HS--they didn't deal with the ups and downs of a college season before really.
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I don't know man you can kind of see it in real time watching the games. It wasn't even adversity per se as just flat out unnecessary. He was playing well and getting pulled for any little mistake. He didn't allow him to play through and it was very frustrating to watch. He went from being in attack mode the first couple of games to now being very tentative because he's afraid to make mistakes that get pulled. Hurley can teach defense amazingly but we really need someone who knows offense.
 
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