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Karaban has the option to return to UConn, where he was instrumental in the Huskies' consecutive championship runs, making him one of the more consequential stay-or-go decisions. He'll also have an opportunity to take that momentum and build on it at the combine. Karaban has fans around the NBA due in large part to his considerable basketball IQ, toughness and winning acumen. He's a good shooter with enough positional size to play both forward spots, and a smart connective player who moves the ball and understands his role.
The primary knock on Karaban is his average athleticism and length, and how that translates defensively -- he won't be quick enough to defend every wing, nor is he the type of strong, disruptive player who will impact the game much as a rim-protector in help. He's also not going to create many shots for himself off the dribble, relying more on his passing and cutting ability to impact the game away from the ball. These factors aren't going to change, but the combine presents a stage for Karaban to showcase the many things he does well outside of UConn's complex, read-heavy offensive system. Whether he stays in the draft might hinge on whether a team rates him enough to guarantee him a deal, making this a big week for him -- and the Huskies.
I wonder what he tests on vertical. He seems to have decent ups. He definitely was able to block some shots that made him look more athletic than this commentary gives him credit for. I think he is an underrated defensive player and I loved that he improved his strength this year to battle bigger guys inside. I wonder if some his measurables test higher than thought if that will be the reason he leaves.
 
Seems like some folks aren't aware that the last 2 picks in last year's draft each got $1.9m guaranteed on total contracts north of $7m. If someone likes you, the NBA money is there.
So I’m assuming that if the last 2 picks got guaranteed money,then all second round picks did better than 1.9 guaranteed? seems to change the calculus
 
So I’m assuming that if the last 2 picks got guaranteed money,then all second round picks did better than 1.9 guaranteed? seems to change the calculus
This isn’t true. Andre signed a 4 year deal for 7.9 with 2 mil guaranteed. The aav of the deal is 1.9 but more of it is back loaded.
 
If he’s looking at G league contract, what’s then benefit of leaving? Won’t his NIL. Be at least G league money?
He’ll be offered close to a Million to stay by our NIL collective.
i’m hoping he stays
 
While Andre (Pick #44) got $2M guaranteed and Tyrese Martin (Pick #51) got $1M guaranteed, most in the second half of the second round get two-way contracts with little guarantee. AK should know his prospects by the end of the week.
 
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First, thanks for the assisted access.

Second, I just read that most second round picks sign contracts for $500k or less, with the money not guaranteed.

I realize that next year’s draft is projected to be stronger than this year’s, but I still can’t help thinking that maybe returning to UConn might not be such a bad option for him.
I just don’t think he’s going to get any faster or start jumping higher at UConn. His limitations are mostly physical. He’s also fairly old now.

If he sees his future as mostly outside of basketball, they come back and get a degree. If he wants to give pro ball a shot he should probably stay in the draft, depending on what he hears this week.
 
Seems like some folks aren't aware that the last 2 picks in last year's draft each got $1.9m guaranteed on total contracts north of $7m. If someone likes you, the NBA money is there.
Which last 2 picks are you referring to?
 
First, thanks for the assisted access.

Second, I just read that most second round picks sign contracts for $500k or less, with the money not guaranteed.

I realize that next year’s draft is projected to be stronger than this year’s, but I still can’t help thinking that maybe returning to UConn might not be such a bad option for him.
Leaving didn’t really help AJ, it was a wasted year. All depends on the situation you’re drafted into. Even Hawkins as a lottery pick had a wasted year as far as improving his career.
 
I think it’s 50/50. There is no reason to go if you feel that you can still improve while playing in college AND make more money. I don’t think coming back will hurt him at all. Staying might net him an extra 200-300k in guaranteed income and maybe a little more star power. No matter when he enters the draft he’s probably a late pick. His situation is kind of unique. Most players would have a clearer answer.
I think he shot the ball a little better last season than this season. I think he should stay, and he definitely ups the ante for a 3-peat if he stays. If he stays and makes AA he definitely gets a better NBA contract. The odds for a Duke vs UConn regular season game next year are very good, and Karaban has a chance to prove himself.
 
Traycee Jackson+Davis and Chris Livingston each got 4yr, $7.6ish deals with 1.9 guaranteed. I think they were technically late 50s picks since last year had some forfeits.

NIL is definitely catching up for elite single year payments, but cumulative value isn't quite there yet. NBA seems to be expanding available cash for second rounders and I wouldn't be surprised if the folded OE, and made available some of those funds for later draft picks as well.
 
The reason the last two picks were anomalies and got big guaranteed contracts when the picks ahead of them didn't, was that they had worked out deals at the combine with the teams that wanted them. Tim Kawakami, who follows the Warriors, says that Trace Jackson-Davis turned down being drafted early in the second round when teams called to see if he would take a two-way contract, knowing what the Warriors had guaranteed him. Shams Charania, also of The Athletic, said the same thing happened with Chris Livingston, who came on strong late in the season, got a promise from the Bucks, and cancelled all his workouts after the combine.
 
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The reason the last two picks were anomalies and got big guaranteed contracts when the picks ahead of them didn't, was that they had worked out deals at the combine with the teams that wanted them. Tim Kawakami, who follows the Warriors, says that Trace Jackson-Davis turned down being drafted early in the second round when teams called to see if he would take a two-way contract, knowing what the Warriors had guaranteed him. Shams Charania, also of The Athletic, said the same thing happened with Chris Livingston, who came on strong late in the season, got a promise from the Bucks, and cancelled all his workouts after the combine.
Yeah, if I'm not mistaken the NBA CBA doesn't require guarantees for 2nds but they are increasing in size and frequency. I think about half of 2nds got guarantees of around $1.9m last year with almost all of the first 10 picks.
 
He gone… No way the NBA lets him go past the first round, there’s more than a few teams that come to mind that could use Karaban, just my opinion of course
Admittedly the mock drafts are just the opinions of others, but most don’t think he’s a first round choice. In fact, some don’t even list him as a second round pick either.
 
Admittedly the mock drafts are just the opinions of others, but most don’t think he’s a first round choice. In fact, some don’t even list him as a second round pick either.
I hear ya, I’m no draft expert
 
On the other hand, neither am I. And, in support of your assessment, the Athletic just slotted him at #28, going to Denver.
#28 was slotted for over 6 million over 3 years but how much guaranteed? Just year 1?
 
I just don’t think he’s going to get any faster or start jumping higher at UConn. His limitations are mostly physical. He’s also fairly old now.

If he sees his future as mostly outside of basketball, they come back and get a degree. If he wants to give pro ball a shot he should probably stay in the draft, depending on what he hears this week.

He was a liability on defense his freshman year and last season he was solid . He might win national POY if he returns.
 
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I think people get caught up in this being a bad draft. It’s bad top end talent wise, but there’s not much difference after that.
It’s a little weak at the top but there’s a lot of guys who are first round talents. I haven’t seen Alex being mocked in the first. More of a mid-2nd type prospect right now. He should honestly get his degree. The money won’t be that different anyway.
 
#28 was slotted for over 6 million over 3 years but how much guaranteed? Just year 1?
First round contracts are all guaranteed the first 3 years with 4th and 5th year team options. The 5th year escalates more in value as well.

Bouknight didn't have his 4th year picked up, but still made close to 15 million.
 
He is a great college player but a very marginal NBA prospect.

Frankly I was always under the assumption he would return . He would be a rock on a somewhat new team . Getting Diarra , SJ along with Stewart , Ball back plus Karaban is huge . You go from a rebuild to filling in the missing pieces. For the casual fan the former is a lot harder to do than the latter.
I was a little surprised that he might be drafted so this must be a weak draft .
Yes he is not the greatest athlete to come down the pike but I was impressed with his strength , a factor that could overcome some of his negatives.

i agree. when he was guarded last year he disappeared. it was a houdini on demand vs good defensive teams or m2m.

spencer on the other hand was catch and shoot and even created many shots for himself. karaban mostly hung out on the perimeter and crushed inferior competition.

late in the year he started to become more of an interior presence which he desperately needs to do. if he comes back you could see more of this. he only morphed into grayson allen and a 3pt specialist at UCONN. in prep school he took the ball to the hoop quite a bit.

i expect him to come back
 
It would be good to know for sure what the finances are if he goes pro. If it is a $500K non guaranteed contract and he can make more money playing in college and get his degree all while chasing a third ring, I mean is it really crazy to have a young man decide to live in the moment.

What is the risk. He will make more money finish his education and more than likely be in the same position.

But what if he goes out and has a monster year, shoots like 42% from three and averages 17 ppg and 6-7 rebounds per game. Throw in 3 assists and 1.5 steals a game and who knows where he might be ranked next year.

I think with Alex the best way for him to get the most value at the next level is to prove he is a great shooter. And if he continues to improve his rebounding and defense imo he is a way better version of a player like Schierman who can’t guard or rebound better than Alex right now but I have to believe he is considered a better shooter.
 

This makes it seem like it can go either way based on how the coming days and weeks develop.
Alternate access (for the technologically challenged):

For weeks, Alex Karaban, Cam Spencer have been working out in Chicago, where NBA Draft Combine begins on Sunday

 
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It would be good to know for sure what the finances are if he goes pro. If it is a $500K non guaranteed contract and he can make more money playing in college and get his degree all while chasing a third ring, I mean is it really crazy to have a young man decide to live in the moment.

What is the risk. He will make more money finish his education and more than likely be in the same position.

But what if he goes out and has a monster year, shoots like 42% from three and averages 17 ppg and 6-7 rebounds per game. Throw in 3 assists and 1.5 steals a game and who knows where he might be ranked next year.

I think with Alex the best way for him to get the most value at the next level is to prove he is a great shooter. And if he continues to improve his rebounding and defense imo he is a way better version of a player like Schierman who can’t guard or rebound better than Alex right now but I have to believe he is considered a better shooter.
I'll come right out and say it, I THINK HE SHOULD BE TRYING TO GO PRO THIS YEAR. The monster year you posted is actually what I would expect from him next year in a featured role instead of the 3rd-4th option. With that expectation, I believe he's currently an early 2nd rounder who will most likely get $2m guaranteed (life changing money for 98% of people). So basically for his draft stock to increase he'd have to handly beat those stats, with lesser role players, while also overcoming his depreciation due to age. I don't see a clearcut case that any of his strengths or weaknesses would change significantly depending upon whether he stays or goes since every rookie is expected to make strides for 4+ years after entering the league. He's one of my favorites and I don't doubt him but let's face, our expectations are a little deranged atm and a down year for him and our team, relatively!, is not totally out of the question next season. I think he and Hurley are marketing as a 1st round pick for leverage purposes, as you'd expect, but if he can the $2m guaranteed in the 2nd, which I think he will, he should take it and level up. He's already written into the legend.
 
If somebody, even Charlotte, falls hard for Alex this week and offers him a guaranteed deal, he's gone; if anybody tries to two-way him, he comes home.
 
If somebody, even Charlotte, falls hard for Alex this week and offers him a guaranteed deal, he's gone; if anybody tries to two-way him, he comes home.
The Celtics at pick 30 are very interesting. He could help them and be a long term role player while playing very close to home. If a team like the Celtics were to tell him we will stop your slide by pick 30 for example, that would be extremely difficult to say no to.
 
He was a liability on defense his freshman year and last season he was solid . He might win national POY if he returns.
He got better on D. But some of that was not facing as many of the guys who gave him problems, like Whitmore, Hopkins, OMax and Jerome Hunter. All of them were gone. His defensive improvement mostly came late in his first year. Biggest improvement last year was putting the ball on the floor more when guys guard him too tight outside.
 
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