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Matrim55 said:
Have we forgotten how great Emeka was? He averaged 4.3 blocks per game for his career, and was able to stay on the court for 30+ mpg because he didn't foul. He was also a go-to scorer in the way that Clingan never was.

Love Clingan, but he's second at best.
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I think Clingan gets the edge from a lot of fans because he's from Connecticut.
 
One of things not mentioned at all in the Meka vs DC debate is what not shown up in the stats sheets like how many shots DC altered per game. I have seen so many games DC literally turned 10 feet radius within the basket as sahara desert for the opposing teams.
Oh yeah, DC is not foul prone either as many viewed. On the contrary, Meka had 2 quick fouls in the Duke game (no knock just a fact)

My pick is DC.
 
It is insane that my pick, Donyell, only has 5 votes. This dude was the best college player we ever had. He swatted shots left and right, rebounded like a maniac and could do it all offensively. Total disrespect. 25ppg, 9.8 rebounds, 3.8 blocks, 2 assists. He was a great player.

If I have to pick someone else for this team, I stay with the frontline and take Emeka or Caron. I want that toughness in the trenches. I believe that this team has all of the talent it needs in the backcourt and at the wings. I love Shabbaz and Kemba, so I generally go with them on these kind of threads, but this team needs front court warriors. Hopefully, we have them. We’ve got a really nice roster. You can’t have it all.
 
HailUConn said:
One of things not mentioned at all in the Meka vs DC debate is what not shown up in the stats sheets like how many shots DC altered per game. I have seen so many games DC literally turned 10 feet radius within the basket as sahara desert for the opposing teams.
Oh yeah, DC is not foul prone either as many viewed. On the contrary, Meka had 2 quick fouls in the Duke game (no knock just a fact)

My pick is DC.
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What also matters in the debate is Emeka did a lot of the same things, had the stamina to play bigger minutes, and was a much better offensive player on top of it.
 
Spaceman213J said:
I love Okafor. He's one of my favorite players of all time. That said, while he was a great shot blocker, I would have to go with Clingan. He was just an intimidating physical presence and you could see him wear guys down over the game. Imagine having to body Clingan and Reed for 40 minutes.
After DC, its between Emeka and Sanogo for me. Emeka was better defensively, but Sanogo's footwork and adding the 3 could help spread out the D.
If I went with a non big, it might have to Castle, again because of the physicality and defense.
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The size difference is massive.

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uchusky32 said:
Marshall gives us power in the PF spot and back up center that would stretch the floor.
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Donyell was roughly 200 pounds in college. Played a hybrid power forward and not a very good defender vs dribble penetration but a terrific help defender as a shot blocker. Definitely not a back up center
 
HailUConn said:
One of things not mentioned at all in the Meka vs DC debate is what not shown up in the stats sheets like how many shots DC altered per game. I have seen so many games DC literally turned 10 feet radius within the basket as sahara desert for the opposing teams.
Oh yeah, DC is not foul prone either as many viewed. On the contrary, Meka had 2 quick fouls in the Duke game (no knock just a fact)

My pick is DC.
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We all saw that Duke game. They were cheapo fouls and to take that one example to prove he was foul prone is bad logic.

Also, you think Okafor didn't alter shots? Over 4 blocks a game and you think that's the sum total of his defense?
 
ucp990411 said:
Donyell was roughly 200 pounds in college. Played a hybrid power forward and not a very good defender vs dribble penetration but a terrific help defender as a shot blocker. Definitely not a back up center
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These days he'd be adequate at backup center. Samson Johnson was serviceable and Donyell was better in every way. They had similar builds. You don't see too many beefy centers in the current game. I agree though, he'd be a lightweight against some of the bruisers.
 
2014DualCs said:
Emeka is also way more athletic
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He would have to be to be as good as he was. But Clingan isn't a normal 7 foot plus college guy. His ability to track his guy and block and alter shots is special. Okafor was special, too, but Clingan just ate up so much floor on the defensive end.
I think it was in the Illinois game he had 2 or 3 blocks in a minute and after that, nobody on the other team wanted any part of him. Guys would get a step, but didn't continue on all the way because of his presence.
Part of what made Okafor special aside from his timing and discipline, was guys get a step and a 6'9'' guy but don't realize he can get up to the top of the backboard like it's nothing.
I just want that intimidation factor, but if there's no Clingan, I would be happy with Okafor in there.
 
Re: Emeka vs Clingan, while I get Clingan’s size is insane and he clearly had the ability to alter or negate shot attempts, we forget the impact of Castle on that D. Clingan alone or Castle alone had about the same defensive metrics on that team - it was when both were on the court that 24 defense was elite. If Castle doesn’t shut down the other team’s best perimeter player, Donovan just isn’t going to be two places at once.

If you look at Emeka’s win shares, he’s at 9.9 in 04. 6 plus of those are on the defensive side. Clingan gets under 3 - (I think this metric is undervaluing Clingan, but the point is that Emeka was absolutely elite).

If you need to grab a rebound at the end of the game, I’ll take Okafor all day long. If you’re in a rock fight Okafor can score down low. I can’t imagine Okafor couldn’t play in Hutley’s system - imagine the lobs he could grab. He was .599 fg% his junior year - I bet that gets to Samson like %, but with real volume.

I’m not sure if I’d go Okafor or a pg. If pg, im between Newton and Kemba - might take Newton for the size and ability to see over the defense, but i loved Kemba and his leadership might be needed on a team following a down year.
 
ucp990411 said:
Donyell was roughly 200 pounds in college. Played a hybrid power forward and not a very good defender vs dribble penetration but a terrific help defender as a shot blocker. Definitely not a back up center
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Small ball lineups of today? Less physical than in the 90s. 3rd center?
 
Scottzer said:
Re: Emeka vs Clingan, while I get Clingan’s size is insane and he clearly had the ability to alter or negate shot attempts, we forget the impact of Castle on that D. Clingan alone or Castle alone had about the same defensive metrics on that team - it was when both were on the court that 24 defense was elite. If Castle doesn’t shut down the other team’s best perimeter player, Donovan just isn’t going to be two places at once.

If you look at Emeka’s win shares, he’s at 9.9 in 04. 6 plus of those are on the defensive side. Clingan gets under 3 - (I think this metric is undervaluing Clingan, but the point is that Emeka was absolutely elite).

If you need to grab a rebound at the end of the game, I’ll take Okafor all day long. If you’re in a rock fight Okafor can score down low. I can’t imagine Okafor couldn’t play in Hutley’s system - imagine the lobs he could grab. He was .599 fg% his junior year - I bet that gets to Samson like %, but with real volume.

I’m not sure if I’d go Okafor or a pg. If pg, im between Newton and Kemba - might take Newton for the size and ability to see over the defense, but i loved Kemba and his leadership might be needed on a team following a down year.
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Exactly what I'm trying to convey. Also you briefly mention Newton, who I think is and will always be the most underrated player during our 2 year run. Dude was an absolute gamer and could arguably be the most important piece on those teams.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Guy won ROTY over Dwight. Emeka without injuries was SPECIAL
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Okafor per 36 stats rookie year- 15.3 points, 11 rebs, 1.7 blocks, .9 assists, .9 steals. Hornets record 18-64

Clingan per 36 stats rookie year- 11.9 points, 14.3 rebs, 3.0 blocks, 2.1 assists, .9 steals. Blazers record 36-46
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
You chose Liam…C’mon now, glass houses.
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I didn't I voted for Clingan, just brought up Liam as a wild card pick. Ha you got baited into thinking I actually picked Liam.
 
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Clingan, Castle and McNeeley would all be on the Huskies in the olden days.
 
superjohn said:
Okafor per 36 stats rookie year- 15.3 points, 11 rebs, 1.7 blocks, .9 assists, .9 steals. Hornets record 18-64

Clingan per 36 stats rookie year- 11.9 points, 14.3 rebs, 3.0 blocks, 2.1 assists, .9 steals. Blazers record 36-46
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And yet, he won ROTY and Clingan wasn’t particularly close.

The flaw with your repeated reliance on Per/40 or Per/36 is DC has been known to gas in bigger minutes. Okafor was a gazelle who didn’t, stats take a hit when you don’t have the wind to play 25+ minutes often.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
And yet, he won ROTY and Clingan wasn’t particularly close.

The flaw with your repeated reliance on Per/40 or Per/36 is DC has been known to gas in bigger minutes. Okafor was a gazelle who didn’t, stats take a hit when you don’t have the wind to play 25+ minutes often.
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The reason Clingan didn't play big minutes early on was that he had to share minutes with Ayton and Williams. The Bobcats were horrendous and Okafor had nobody to share minutes with.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
And yet, he won ROTY and Clingan wasn’t particularly close.

The flaw with your repeated reliance on Per/40 or Per/36 is DC has been known to gas in bigger minutes. Okafor was a gazelle who didn’t, stats take a hit when you don’t have the wind to play 25+ minutes often.
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This would be Clingan's senior year at UConn. So the comparison about ROY in the NBA isn't really fair.
 
Palatine said:
This would be Clingan's senior year at UConn. So the comparison about ROY in the NBA isn't really fair.
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My original point was just how impressive it was that Okafor won ROTY over Dwight, an All-Time Center. Also, Emeka’s rookie year would have been his Senior year, if we are gonna be picky.
 
I am surprised at the lack of love for Tristen Newton among fans. Bob Cousy award winner, first team all American, 2 time national champ ( both years he was a Husky), MVP of the final 4. I say next number retired should be his #2.
 
I picked Caron Butler, because I always pick Caron Butler

A man's man, built like a man, played like a man, led like a man, and was clutch too
 
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