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Stairmaster said:
No, he was saying that we would lose incoming guys if Ollie stayed for ‘18-19. If he has inside info, I’d like for him to share it.
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Didn't read it that way either.
 
superjohn said:
It's insane people are even entertaining keeping a coach because of a player ranked 90-something in the country.
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It's not about a ranking; it's about what this guy is going to bring to the table. Something we have been desperately missing since Shabazz.....The school isn't going to approve a $10M buyout. The squad that it looks like we will have next year will have a good chance of getting us back on track and to stop the bleeding. You guys can't focus exclusively on player rankings. Look at the tape and how they fit into what we want to do. Look at the upside of that player. We've had plenty of highly rated players flame completely out.
 
DMIL said:
It's not about a ranking; it's about what this guy is going to bring to the table. Something we have been desperately missing since Shabazz.....The school isn't going to approve a $10M buyout. The squad that it looks like we will have next year will have a good chance of getting us back on track and to stop the bleeding. You guys can't focus exclusively on player rankings. Look at the tape and how they fit into what we want to do. Look at the upside of that player. We've had plenty of highly rated players flame completely out.
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If you think 5'11" James Akinjo will save Ollie's program then I want what you're having.
 
The fact that the Ollie apologist crowd is worried about losing incoming recruits and players is comical. You do realize that Ollie added 8 new players to the current team (more than 60% of the roster) and most were thrown together last minute, right?
 
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UC1995 said:
I can’t see what Adams and Larrier have done up to this point that screams they are leaving. If they are getting advice to go then it’s bad advice because they are no where NBA ready and maybe not even Mid European ready.
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They'd both find homes in the G-League, where they'd receive far better coaching, against better competition, and be able to focus 24/7 on their games.
 
huskiesnyc said:
The fact that the Ollie apologist crowd is worried about losing incoming recruits and players is comical. You do realize that Ollie added 8 new players to the current team (more than 60% of the roster) and most were thrown together last minute, right?
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And how, may I ask, is that working out?
 
Stairmaster said:
Where to begin...

Do you think the AD is currently doing well enough financially for that? Furthermore, do you think it will see the requisite financial success in the future? How will we compare to programs in P5 conferences whose content is being bought for a much higher value than those in the AAC?
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We are a basketball school first and foremost, everyone knows that - even the AD from the football background. We aren't going to skimp on men's hoops salaries.

Not to mention, at some point when Geno is gone, so is his 2.5 million salary which we can skoot at least a healthy chunk of that over into the men's hoops program. Not to mention, it's possible in 5 years we will make a decision to cut bait on football if the dominos don't fall the right way, saving even more money that way, along with cutting some other sports on the women's side if we aren't giving football schollies (at least I think thats what would happen, but someone feel free to correct me).

At some point when Ollie is gone, his replacement will make a good salary, whether it be now or 5-10 years from now. If we continue to suck under another coach, it won't be because of salary.
 
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CTBasketball said:
If you think 5'11" James Akinjo will save Ollie's program then I want what you're having.
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It was a 5'11", non-athletic looking guard that led us to our first national championship, Khalid El Amin. It's not his stature, but ability to run the team and be a leader that will matter most. I have no idea if he's that kind of player but let's not write him off already.
 
I do think frequently to myself (at times) that there's some guys who might be pretty good and if they can return a lot of this team next year, they might have a shot to contend in the conference. But again and I feel like I say this every year, but it's a roster of what ifs and too many what ifs for me to feel confident in projecting out success.

IF Adams stays
IF Larrier stays
IF Gilbert gets healthy
IF Vital, Whalley, Diarra and Carleton can continue to develop
IF the freshmen are a little better than we expected
IF Sid Wilson can be good as advertised

They still lack REAL size down low. The front court is so raw at this point. Having a dedicated PG (TWO!) will actually help, but Gilbert hasn't shown that he's at all capable of staying healthy. Larrier could be an interesting late-bloomer, but I haven't seen anything more form him than that he is what he is. Adams is a good player and can flat out score. He should score even more... but he's not a knock down shooter. Doesn't seem to really be a leader. And honestly I dunno... I don't think he's anywhere close to being ready to be a pro, but i'm not sure how much college ball is in his future as he just *comes off as* (not saying he actually is) disinterested all the time.

And after that you just need soooo many dominos to fall.
 
Paesano said:
He is talking about track record, not rumors for the current team or crop of recruits. Ollie lost three returning players and MAL (incoming player) over the summer. Again, these people QUIT on him and/or rejected him. He didn't "press" any "reset" button. It was pressed for him, because of him. He labeled those guys as players that "didn't want to be here" but the truth was probably closer to them "not wanting him to be their coach". Since this just happened, it is more like to keep happening than not. It is possible that Ollie loses no one this summer but that is not what a reasonable person assumes will happen. There is inertia here and it isn't good inertia. If the boosters want Ollie back, we will see what happens. We have no choice. If more kids/recruits quit on him, that is almost worst than the dreadful on-court performance. If such a scenario plays out, you can't keep giving the guy "one more year" to fix the messes he is creating. Eventually the buy out will be manageable and/or the boosters will give up on Ollie.
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Lots of unproven speculation
Perhaps they didn't like what he said to them about competing for PT the following season - thus he's not the coach for them
Those three guys have been tossed and turned on this site way too much - they wanted out so good riddance
NEXT............................ again
 
Jimdish255 said:
Anyone surprised that the donors don't feel like cashing out KO after the extension was made? Sure there is probably some actual support in the room for KO, but if things go south from here his performance won't be the main deciding factor. Just like Steve Bannon it's who pays the bills.

If the right guy is out there at the end of a disastrous season, you'd love to take advantage of that. But DB might not be in a position to do anything other than plant the seed for next year with donors. There comes a point when you can't live on excuses anymore but Ollie's contract may buy him another year to show some results. My mind is just slightly open to see what he could do with 1 or 2 decent shooters and an improved Carlton. He hasn't had any answers with the group he has, but he at least needs to show some resiliency to finish this year or the confidence needle drops to zero.
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Comes a time when the donors have to start questioning if the people making the decisions know what they're doing. To fire Diaco right after giving him an extension was crazy. To expect that well to be tapped into again is lunacy. I just hope they're learning from their mistakes.
 
UC1995 said:
I can’t see what Adams and Larrier have done up to this point that screams they are leaving. If they are getting advice to go then it’s bad advice because they are no where NBA ready and maybe not even Mid European ready.
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I'd prefer if 1 of them bounced. The chemistry between those two is off.
 
noeynox said:
Comes a time when the donors have to start questioning if the people making the decisions know what they're doing. To fire Diaco right after giving him an extension was crazy.
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Giving him the extension was crazy, firing him was mandatory.
 
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Waquoit said:
Giving him the extension was crazy, firing him was mandatory.
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I agree. But how many times can you go to the donors hat in hand and ask them to fix your mistakes with their money?

I'm hoping KO turns it around. Getting your ish pushed in on national TV against Auburn and Arkansas has been demoralizing.
 
noeynox said:
I agree. But how many times can you go to the donors hat in hand and ask them to fix your mistakes with their money?
I'm hoping KO turns it around.
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I agree there, KO turning around is our only hope.
 
Penfield said:
At this point part of me is like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe giving him one more year so we can get Akinjo in the door and avoid a mass exodus at the same time Adams and Larrier are most likely leaving isn't the worst thing. It's not like we are going to change conferences by next season. Worst case scenario we suck again. We have dealt with 4 years of mediocre results is what is one more at this point? It is not going to kill the program.

The other part of me recognizes UConn basketball is dead and we will never finish above 8th place in the American again.
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If it were just another year of sucking I would be on board possibly. My concern is someone like Danny Hurley who would likely be available now and willing to make move, might not be available or willing should this collapse of relevancy extend this another year.
 
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We can't rely on donors to come to the rescue becuase of overpaid coaches failing too soon.
 
SouthBayHusky said:
If it were just another year of sucking I would be on board possibly. My concern is someone like Danny Hurley who would likely be available now and willing thanks make move might not be available or willing should this collapse of relevancy extend this another year.
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If Benedict decided that Hurley is the man he wants for the job and this is his one chance to get him, then by all means he should make his move. That is what he was hired to do. However, if something like this were to happen I feel there are some things that UConn fans will need to accept.

The first is that, based on the current conference situation if we hire someone outside the Calhoun family the UConn job might be seen as a stepping stone. The good thing about a successful Ollie is that we wouldn't have to worry about him going to another school. If Hurley came here and succeeded in turning the program around he might move on to the next big thing. I am not saying this would be a certainty or even the worst thing in the world, just that there would likely be rumors at the end of each season and we couldn't brush them off as easily.

The second is that if Ollie's replacement is a dud we are likely in an even worse situation than we are now. If (God forbid) Geno were to retire in the next couple years, what would our athletic program have to hang its hat on, and why would any decent conference have incentive to add us?

I am really not trying to argue that Ollie deserves another year. I just hope that if things move a little slower than some people would like we should consider that it might be better for the program in the long run.
 
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Penfield said:
If Benedict decided that Hurley is the man he wants for the job and this is his one chance to get him, then by all means he should make his move. That is what he was hired to do. However, if something like this were to happen I feel there are some things that UConn fans will need to accept.

The first is that, based on the current conference situation if we hire someone outside the Calhoun family the UConn job might be seen as a stepping stone. The good thing about a successful Ollie is that we wouldn't have to worry about him going to another school. If Hurley came here and succeeded in turning the program around he might move on to the next big thing. I am not saying this would be a certainty or even the worst thing in the world, just that there would likely be rumors at the end of each season and we couldn't brush them off as easily.

The second is that if Ollie's replacement is a dud we are likely in an even worse situation than we are now. If (God forbid) Geno were to retire in the next couple years, what would our athletic program have to hang its hat on, and why would any decent conference have incentive to add us?

I am really not trying to argue that Ollie deserves another year. I just hope that if things move a little slower than some people would like we should consider that it might be better for the program in the long run.
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More simply, UConn would be best off if Ollie can figure it out. The question is whether one believes that can happen. Let's just hope they continue to play like last night; they could make some noise down the stretch if they build off this UCF game.
 
UC1995 said:
I can’t see what Adams and Larrier have done up to this point that screams they are leaving. If they are getting advice to go then it’s bad advice because they are no where NBA ready and maybe not even Mid European ready.
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But realistically, why stay in school if your goal is to play pro ball? Will another year at UConn not getting paid be better for development or getting paid to play vs better opponents with better teammates and better coaching?
 
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