ACC rumor from the Fat White Guy

[ucjoet]

Both the ACC and the B1G will be falling over each other to extend invites to UCONN before the end of 2014. It will be interesting to see where UCONN goes. I would guess a 70/30 chance for the Big 1G/ACC. That being said, Herbst's #1 and #2 priorities now will be to gain membership in the AAU and increase UCONN's endowment. Warde's major priorities will be the basketball practice facility and giving Coach Diaco everything he wants.

I hope you are correct, that by the end of 2014 we will be either invited to B1G or ACC. The B1G would be my first choice, but if it is the ACC so be it. Obviously either situation is better than where we are now.

 

[GG]

Both the ACC and the B1G will be falling over each oth
er to extend invites to UCONN before the end of 2014. It will be interesting to see where UCONN goes. I would guess a 70/30 chance for the Big 1G/ACC. That being said, Herbst's #1 and #2 priorities now will be to gain membership in the AAU and increase UCONN's endowment. Warde's major priorities will be the basketball practice facility and giving Coach Diaco everything he wants.

I am a UCONN fan and obviously believe that we should be in a P5 conference, but what makes you believe this?

 

[Ha Who]

I am a UCONN fan and obviously believe that we should be in a P5 conference, but what makes you believe this?

He also purchased his mega millions ticket

 

[RMoore1999]

Are we arguing over a fantasy rumor from a twitter account? Just want to understand what this debate is about.

We're actually debating whether UConn should drop football all together....any thoughts?

I think we should keep fighting, but that's just me being optimistic....

 

[coachcap]

Both the ACC and the B1G will be falling over each other to extend invites to UCONN before the end of 2014. It will be interesting to see where UCONN goes. I would guess a 70/30 chance for the Big 1G/ACC. That being said, Herbst's #1 and #2 priorities now will be to gain membership in the AAU and increase UCONN's endowment. Warde's major priorities will be the basketball practice facility and giving Coach Diaco everything he wants.

"Falling over each other"? Where's your proof? The B1G has been cordial but noncommittal. The ACC, on the other hand, has some institutions that vehemently oppose UConn's admission (BCU, Miami, FSU?) UConn's biggest allies for ACC admission may be UNC, Duke, & ND.
I agree that UConn needs to get its house in order to make itself as attractive as possible. That said, I feel that UConn's only shot is the B1G, & not for at least 5 years.

 

[donyell34]

Still have2 ask the guestion " WHAT THE HELL HSPPENED TO BE EXCLUDED" . Just football , obviously more than that.

 

[billybud]

Nothing "the hell" happened.

Just some ACC programs preferred to not add yet another northeastern team and desired a football program that wasn't the third tier sport at the school of choice. Since FSU joined the ACC in 1992, which then was a southern-mid Atlantic conference...Boston College and Syracuse had been added (both of which are in FSU's division). For FSU and Clemson, travelling to another school in the northeast was not particularly appetizing.

Maryland leaves, opens a spot in FSU/Clemson's division....Louisville is peaking in sports with a College World Series baseball team, A BCS game winning football team, a National Champion basketball team....why not add Louisville over UConn?

Oh..yeah...the New York market. Well...that wasn't a seller.

Seems like Cuse and BC wouldn't be clamoring for UConn either....competition in their arena.

 

[upstater]

Nothing "the hell" happened.

Just some ACC programs preferred to not add yet another northeastern team and desired a football program that wasn't the third tier sport at the school of choice. Since FSU joined the ACC in 1992, which then was a southern-mid Atlantic conference...Boston College and Syracuse had been added (both of which are in FSU's division). For FSU and Clemson, travelling to another school in the northeast was not particularly appetizing.

Maryland leaves, opens a spot in FSU/Clemson's division....Louisville is peaking in sports with a College World Series baseball team, A BCS game winning football team, a National Champion basketball team....why not add Louisville over UConn?

Oh..yeah...the New York market. Well...that wasn't a seller.

Seems like Cuse and BC wouldn't be clamoring for UConn either....competition in their arena.

You're full troll mode now.

Early in the year we got to hear from ACC fans about how Ville would roll through the AAC. Given Ville's performance over the years in our conference, I knew that wasn't going to happen. They are no better than any of the other teams that joined your conference, and you'll find that out quickly.

 

[billybud]

Just what do you not agree with in my statement?

That FSU wasn't thrilled about adding another NE team to its division?

That Louisville, under Strong, had a football program that was peaking at the right time...that Louisville's basketball was good and so was baseball?

Just what?

Or is it just anger that you are expressing that Louisville was taken?

 

[billybud]

Louisville won all but one game this year...the 3 point close loss to UCF.

 

[upstater]

Just what do you not agree with in my statement?

That FSU wasn't thrilled about adding another NE team to its division?

That Louisville, under Strong, had a football program that was peaking at the right time...that Louisville's basketball was good and so was baseball?

Just what?

Or is it just anger that you are expressing that Louisville was taken?

Louisville is mediocre at football.

You take shots at UConn football for Uconn not prioritizing it, even though UConn has sunk $165 million into facilities recently, and has ramped it u quickly to the point where it held winning records against the 3 teams that ACC just added. You denigrate football here and pump up Ville, it's ridiculous.

Ville played no one this year, and like the last year in the BE, they lost key games.

When UConn beat Louisville alst year during one of Ville's best seasons, many considered it an anomaly. But I didn't given Ville's performance over the entire year. Even against one of UConn's worst teams of the last decade. And then Ville impressed in a win against Florida, but as we've seen, that program has completely imploded. Ville's win is as impressive as Bethune Cookman's.

 

[billybud]

Who did Bethune beat?

 

[billybud]

I take no shots at UConn football....it just isn't good lately.

UConn is a basketball school...that's just the truth..no shot.

So is Duke and UNC.....and, maybe, Syracuse.

 

[upstater]

I take no shots at UConn football....it just isn't good lately.

UConn is a basketball school...that's just the truth..no shot.

So is Duke and UNC.....and, maybe, Syracuse.

It is a shot.

UConn has put a lot into football and wants to win.

Here's another shot: you say "maybe" Syracuse but classify UConn as bball?

You're not even aware that UConn has dominated Syracuse in football.

 

[billybud]

I say "maybe Syracuse"...only because Syracuse has a past football tradition...not much of late, though. But in the way back they did go to the Cotton, Fiesta, Orange, etc.

I am only aware of UConn primarily as a WVU watcher...UConn is 1-7 against the Eers.

 

[Dooley]

If you're going to say Syracuse is a "maybe" football school because of what happened over 50 years ago, might we direct you to our BOT Larry McHugh, who would like to tell you all about how Connecticut was a hotbed of football in the 30s and 40s!

"I think it's a huge fan base," McHugh said. "Football in general in Connecticut, it's always been popular. You look at the crowds in 1920s and 1930s and 1940s at the Yale Bowl. ... There's a history here and there's still a base of football fans here. I think that base can be activated and we can just get the enthusiasm back. I'm very optimistic."

 

[billybud]

I am talking since 1990...Syracuse has beaten Michigan, Texas, and Ohio State.....

Cuse isn't great at football, I grant you. Now I am older then you young guys and I remember guys like Jim Brown and of course, Larry Czonka....

Re Women's Basketball televised schedule..

This is the NCAA's complete TV listing....interesting how many are regional broadcasts or network (BTN)..

http://www.ncaa.com/content/womens-basketball-tv-schedule

 

[Samoo]

I take no shots at UConn football....it just isn't good lately.]


The two quotes below seem a little churlish..err..trollish:

"desired a football program that wasn't the third tier sport at the school of choice"
"Oh..yeah...the New York market. Well...that wasn't a seller.

 

[Dooley]

I know, I was just giving you a hard time.

Ironic that the Cuse were good in the 90s under the tutelage of Paul Pasqualoni…a hire that many fans around the country point to as UCONN not "investing" in football, eh?

 

[Dooley]

This is why us UCONN fans have a VERY hard time accepting the argument from fans outside of the northeast that the Fruit Flies are a better "football school" than UCONN…

Fruit Flies since UCONN made the move up to the Rent:
2012 Big East 8-5 390 322 Doug Marrone Pinstripe Bowl
2011 Big East 5-7 290 342 Doug Marrone
2010 Big East 8-5 252 217 Doug Marrone Pinstripe Bowl
2009 Big East 4-8 254 335 Doug Marrone
2008 Big East 3-9 217 392 Greg Robinson
2007 Big East 2-10 197 418 Greg Robinson
2006 Big East 4-8 209 295 Greg Robinson
2005 Big East 1-10 152 295 Greg Robinson
2004 Big East 6-6 287 344 Paul Pasqualoni Champs Sports Bowl
2003 Big East 6-6 321 301 Paul Pasqualoni

UCONN since we made the move up to the Rent:
2012 Big East 5-7 213 238 Paul Pasqualoni
2011 Big East 5-7 292 292 Paul Pasqualoni
2010 Big East 8-4 323 238 Randy Edsall Fiesta Bowl
2009 Big East 8-5 405 307 Randy Edsall Papajohns.com Bowl
2008 Big East 8-5 324 257 Randy Edsall International Bowl
2007 Big East 9-4 344 247 Randy Edsall Meineke Car Care Bowl
2006 Big East 4-8 257 324 Randy Edsall
2005 Big East 5-6 272 211 Randy Edsall
2004 Big East 8-4 363 260 Randy Edsall Motor City Bowl
2003 Independent 9-3 408 300 Randy Edsall

*2013 records conveniently omitted

Not much difference and we own the head to head record against them too.

 

[SAMCRO]

Who did Bethune beat?

I think he meant Ga Southern, not sure though.

 

[uconndogs]

It is a shot.

UConn has put a lot into football and wants to win.

Here's another shot: you say "maybe" Syracuse but classify UConn as bball?

You're not even aware that UConn has dominated Syracuse in football.

I've been to the last 6 UCONN vs Cuse football games. When we ran off 5 straight on them it was hysterical. It's like the fanbase couldn't acknowledge the reality of what was happening.

But, but, but...........Jim Brown........

Cuse is in a better spot right now due to conference affiliation. That fanbase thinks UCONN is dead in the water and they really couldn't be more wrong. That could all turn pretty quickly and at the end of the day the Orange have to win or they are irrelevent, just like everyone else.

 

[upstater]

Guy is a troll.

 

[SAMCRO]

Just what do you not agree with in my statement?

That FSU wasn't thrilled about adding another NE team to its division?

That Louisville, under Strong, had a football program that was peaking at the right time...that Louisville's basketball was good and so was baseball?

Just what?

Or is it just anger that you are expressing that Louisville was taken?

Billy, I think the disagreement does come from a frustration of not only the current situation UConn finds itself in, but also the short sightedness and factually incorrect BS that visitors spit out on this board about UConn's success or lack there of. UL and UConn are pretty much even in W-L v. eachother since we started playing one another. Both have won multiple BE FB titles, but UL is on a great run right now, 4 years ago UConn was the better program. My personal belief is the ACC is making short sighted decisions looking at the current and next 2-3 year period, and not the bigger picture and long term impact (I am biased though). UConn took their FB program further in a shorter period of time than most others if not all, and the stock long term is a "buy". SU and BC both know this and will do whatever they can to keep UConn from getting in this new club. My annoyance is less about the UL selection and more about Pitt's over UConn. Go sport by sport in the current era and find where Pitt has the advantage here (other than the perception that opens up recruiting in western PA - but FSU, etc... was already getting those kids to committ). It just doesn't make sense. It was a short sighted decision by a spiteful and insecure group of administrators in Boston, and a Conference Commissioner who was playing checkers, not chess. Other than UL's academics (which has no bearing on sports, but is all the ACC could rave about years ago in taking "like minded institutions"), I get the choice. It is a southern school, solid FB, solid BB - both at all time highs right now, and committed fan base) it makes sense. The Pitt choice (and lesser degree SU, but they were at least in the conversation the first raid of rthe old BE) is beyond me. People love to throw the lawsuit as another reason UConn is screwed, but look at the shcolls on the suit (Pitt, VT, both signed up for it initally). Oh well, they are all yours now, and in 5 years I am confident people in the ACC will be second guessing some of their choices. We shall see.

 

[billybud]

Thanks for your thoughtful reply....I can see that.

I really have no idea of why Pitt was added......other then my suspicion that since they have a long time relationship with Notre Dame and a long term contract schedule..the ACC might have just used Pitt as a sweetner to entice the Irish.

 

[frankthetank]

Thanks for your thoughtful reply....I can see that.

I really have no idea of why Pitt was added......other then my suspicion that since they have a long time relationship with Notre Dame and a long term contract schedule..the ACC might have just used Pitt as a sweetner to entice the Irish.

Look - I get the consternation from people here, but Pitt was a fairly valuable piece in the conference realignment game and scored high in virtually every metric that university presidents said was important: it's an AAU school with a long football history located in a good-sized market and an excellent football recruiting ground. They would have been in the Big Ten years ago if they had been located virtually anywhere other than a Big Ten state. Pitt also had a second suitor to play off of the ACC: the Big 12. Believe me - the Big 12 didn't want WVU just hanging out east by itself as a geographic outlier. They were targeting Pitt, WVU and Louisville for a 3-team expansion and would have gone to 12 with that combo. (Just think of how much more the northern part of the Big 12 would make more sense if that expansion had occurred, which is why that's what they originally wanted.) The ACC nixed that plan by getting Pitt first (and to be sure, Pitt *definitely* preferred the ACC to the Big 12) and the Big 12's plan fell apart to where they basically had to take one of either WVU or Louisville alone for spackling. Whatever people might think of Swofford (and I tend to think that people outside of the ACC underestimate him while people within the ACC overestimate him), he blocked the Big 12's options big-time with both its preemptive taking of Pitt and then further grabbing Louisville.

 

[Sea Goat]

Look - I get the consternation from people here, but Pitt was a fairly valuable piece in the conference realignment game and scored high in virtually every metric that university presidents said was important: it's an AAU school with a long football history located in a good-sized market and an excellent football recruiting ground. They would have been in the Big Ten years ago if they had been located virtually anywhere other than a Big Ten state. Pitt also had a second suitor to play off of the ACC: the Big 12. Believe me - the Big 12 didn't want WVU just hanging out east by itself as a geographic outlier. They were targeting Pitt, WVU and Louisville for a 3-team expansion and would have gone to 12 with that combo. (Just think of how much more the northern part of the Big 12 would make more sense if that expansion had occurred, which is why that's what they originally wanted.) The ACC nixed that plan by getting Pitt first (and to be sure, Pitt *definitely* preferred the ACC to the Big 12) and the Big 12's plan fell apart to where they basically had to take one of either WVU or Louisville alone for spackling. Whatever people might think of Swofford (and I tend to think that people outside of the ACC underestimate him while people within the ACC overestimate him), he blocked the Big 12's options big-time with both its preemptive taking of Pitt and then further grabbing Louisville.

Sounds like, if the Big 12 is to survive, it must take Cincy - we'll see. Then UConn becomes the last man standing for any further ACC or B1G incursion in NYC. Wishful thinking? Perhaps - but UConn is every bit as valuable as any of the old BE teams that have already landed in a P-5 conference.

 

[btstimpy]

Look - I get the consternation from people here, but Pitt was a fairly valuable piece in the conference realignment game and scored high in virtually every metric that university presidents said was important: it's an AAU school with a long football history located in a good-sized market and an excellent football recruiting ground. They would have been in the Big Ten years ago if they had been located virtually anywhere other than a Big Ten state. Pitt also had a second suitor to play off of the ACC: the Big 12. Believe me - the Big 12 didn't want WVU just hanging out east by itself as a geographic outlier. They were targeting Pitt, WVU and Louisville for a 3-team expansion and would have gone to 12 with that combo. (Just think of how much more the northern part of the Big 12 would make more sense if that expansion had occurred, which is why that's what they originally wanted.) The ACC nixed that plan by getting Pitt first (and to be sure, Pitt *definitely* preferred the ACC to the Big 12) and the Big 12's plan fell apart to where they basically had to take one of either WVU or Louisville alone for spackling. Whatever people might think of Swofford (and I tend to think that people outside of the ACC underestimate him while people within the ACC overestimate him), he blocked the Big 12's options big-time with both its preemptive taking of Pitt and then further grabbing Louisville.

This is very true regarding Pitt. Since the ACC viewed their expansion opportunity to be to the north, the ACC needed presence in Pennsylvania. The only real options were Pitt and Temple, and when the ACC saw the Big 12 mulling over Pitt, the ACC acted to bring in Pitt and essentially Pennsylvania or the western part of it. The addition of Pitt also was part of a plan to increase the attractiveness of the ACC to Notre Dame.

Louisville is a different situation. The Big XII had all the opportunity in the world to add Louisville and chose West Virginia instead. Tom Jurich basically went to Deloss Dodd's office and begged to be invited by the Big XII. The ACC acted on Louisville only after Maryland decided to leave. I think that had the Big XII taken Louisville instead of West Virginia, West Virginia would have been in the mix of schools considered after Marylan left. The same forces within the ACC that pushed for Louisville would have pushed for WVU.

 

[upstater]

This is very true regarding Pitt. Since the ACC viewed their expansion opportunity to be to the north, the ACC needed presence in Pennsylvania. The only real options were Pitt and Temple, and when the ACC saw the Big 12 mulling over Pitt, the ACC acted to bring in Pitt and essentially Pennsylvania or the western part of it. The addition of Pitt also was part of a plan to increase the attractiveness of the ACC to Notre Dame.

Louisville is a different situation. The Big XII had all the opportunity in the world to add Louisville and chose West Virginia instead. Tom Jurich basically went to Deloss Dodd's office and begged to be invited by the Big XII. The ACC acted on Louisville only after Maryland decided to leave. I think that had the Big XII taken Louisville instead of West Virginia, West Virginia would have been in the mix of schools considered after Marylan left. The same forces within the ACC that pushed for Louisville would have pushed for WVU.

This doesn't mesh at all with what was reported by people a week before Pitt was added, nor does it mesh with Gene DeFillippo's story at BC.

 

[HawkHusky]

This is very true regarding Pitt. Since the ACC viewed their expansion opportunity to be to the north, the ACC needed presence in Pennsylvania. The only real options were Pitt and Temple, and when the ACC saw the Big 12 mulling over Pitt, the ACC acted to bring in Pitt and essentially Pennsylvania or the western part of it. The addition of Pitt also was part of a plan to increase the attractiveness of the ACC to Notre Dame.

Louisville is a different situation. The Big XII had all the opportunity in the world to add Louisville and chose West Virginia instead. Tom Jurich basically went to Deloss Dodd's office and begged to be invited by the Big XII. The ACC acted on Louisville only after Maryland decided to leave. I think that had the Big XII taken Louisville instead of West Virginia, West Virginia would have been in the mix of schools considered after Marylan left. The same forces within the ACC that pushed for Louisville would have pushed for WVU.

That may be true about the ACC wanting a presence in PA, however, it's already been publicly said that the two initial targets were Syracuse and UCONN..UCONN just didn't have the support.