ACC/MD Settlement

[billybud]

The Exit fee became redundant and much less meaningful to CR the day the GOR was signed....

 

[TerryD]

Lol. This could describe me and probably does.

My fear is that UConn joins the ACC, and is therefore unavailable when the B1G expands to 16, 18, or 20.

I foresee the next round of B1G expansion to include one, or all three, from Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

There needs to be UConn available to close out the north end of the NE Corridor, plus the 3 B12 schools are an odd number and there needs to be an even number.

So ... I am decidedly for UConn in the B1G, but am rooting against UConn in the ACC.

I know ya'll just want the heck out of the AAC.

Now that MY-ACC is settled, we'll soon see if the B1G's long-rumored "Plan A" - expansion with ACC schools along the eastern seaboard - comes to fruition, or whether the B1G has to wait on "Plan B" - hemming in the SEC on the western prairies via Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

My personal opinion is that Plan B will be the next play - and UConn needs to be there for Plan B to work itself out. If Texas ever joined the B1G, I would sure like to see UConn there.

I am exactly the opposite. I would not mind seeing UConn join the ACC instead of the Big Ten.

But, that is really because I would rather see the Big Ten expand into the Plains than further into the East Coast.

I am not sure how UConn makes the ACC enough money as the 15th full member to achieve this under the ACC economic model.

It seems that UConn fits the Big Ten model better unless/until the ACC starts its own network.

 

[Seaa Blue]

If the ACC is the gulag that Stimpy represents it to be, no team will probably be brave enough to challenge the grossly excessive exit fee, even if a better opportunity came along, in the near future. As such, it will be about 10 years for a team to leave the ACC, again should an opportunity present itself.

They now have 10 years to "go to their room and think about what they've done".

I do imagine that ND, however, has a deal that prohibits such binding resolutions being enacted without their consent.

 

[NickyNewark]

I'm late to this discussion, but wanted to weigh in on my thoughts. My first reaction was disappointment, since Maryland should not have paid anything over $20 million, as that was all the ACC was legally and ethically entitled to. But this case was dragging on, and there was a clear concern of having a biased NC court decide this case. Sure, they could have appealed, but it would have meant more attorney fees. So having to pay $10 million more than they should versus $30 million was not a bad outcome. I guess the ACC did okay too, since they were able to extort $10 million more than they were entitled to.

As for future realignment, I don't think this means much. Maryland was the only one that fought the $50 million exit fee soon after it was "enacted." Since no other school challenged it, they can only try to show the fee is punitive. If the ACC is the gulag that Stimpy represents it to be, no team will probably be brave enough to challenge the grossly excessive exit fee, even if a better opportunity came along, in the near future. As such, it will be about 10 years for a team to leave the ACC, again should an opportunity present itself.

As usual an intelligent reasonable reply as opposed to stimp's propaganda/cheerleading.

 

[dayooper]

I am exactly the opposite. I would not mind seeing UConn join the ACC instead of the Big Ten.

But, that is really because I would rather see the Big Ten expand into the Plains than further into the East Coast.

I am not sure how UConn makes the ACC enough money as the 15th full member to achieve this under the ACC economic model.

It seems that UConn fits the Big Ten model better unless/until the ACC starts its own network.

Yup, I agree with UConn fits the Big10 economic model much better than the ACC's at the present time.

 

[Stray_Dog]

Your predicate, i.e., we must accept the first invitation, follows only if that which it was predicated upon, i.e., nobody knows if the B1G has plans to add UConn, holds true. We here might not know but it would surprise me to discover that Storrs is as ignorant as we.

...and based on your supposition, should UConn take the first offer and it is the ACC making this first offer, then we are to assume there were never any talks with the BIG??? Lots of theory and extrapolation, but as a fan of UConn I would really care less and spend my energy enjoying being out of the best of the irrelevant conferences.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

...and based on your supposition, should UConn take the first offer and it is the ACC making this first offer, then we are to assume there were never any talks with the BIG??? Lots of theory and extrapolation, but as a fan of UConn I would really care less and spend my energy enjoying being out of the best of the irrelevant conferences.

If the B1G makes the first offer, take it.

If the ACC makes the first offer, depends on what else we know. Have we been in talks with the B1G? If no, take the offer. If we've been in talks with the B1G, depends on the nature of those discussions. If they've been vague, nebulous meanderings and what-ifs, take the ACC offer. If they've been substantive and definite, then maybe we reject the offer. Bottom line though is that even the B1G can't predict the future and even a date certain from them is risky.

 

[Sea Goat]

If the B1G makes the first offer, take it.

If the ACC makes the first offer, depends on what else we know. Have we been in talks with the B1G? If no, take the offer. If we've been in talks with the B1G, depends on the nature of those discussions. If they've been vague, nebulous meanderings and what-ifs, take the ACC offer. If they've been substantive and definite, then maybe we reject the offer. Bottom line though is that even the B1G can't predict the future and even a date certain from them is risky.

Yes, we should prefer the B1G - but we are need of an offer from a P-5 conference period. Staying in the AAC cannot be an option. If the ACC calls, unless we have a deal that is binding with the B1G, we have to take it though. IMO, there has to be zero "gray area" with the B1G in order to reject overtures from ACC.

 

[buddy]

Yes, we should prefer the B1G - but we are need of an offer from a P-5 conference period. Staying in the AAC cannot be an option. If the ACC calls, unless we have a deal that is binding with the B1G, we have to take it though. IMO, there has to be zero "gray area" with the B1G in order to reject overtures from ACC.

We have learned that unless it is written in ink, it is not written. The first conference that calls and inks a deal will be the one.

 

[Cleanface]

IMO Stimpy hit the nail on the head.

Like any good ((culturally fit)) B1G fan, the most important things to me RE expansion are;

Corn, ((((healthy)))) girls, peanut engineering, overalls, wrestling, honkeys, and Fred Hoiberg


BRING ON THE CYCLONES!!!

 

[larryredbull]

This was a draw between UMD and the ACC. The ACC got a lot ($31mm) but didnt get the full amount. UMD got out for less than $52mm.

To those who think that this somehow sets a precedent for the future that $31mm is the exit price for the ACC, your an idiot.

There are some specific reasons why UMD was able to get out for less and the next potential exiter might not.
1. The increase was implemented really quickly. It was a majority vote and didnt give UMD a chance to exit in a timely manner (60-90 days). That has been rectified under the GOR/exit fee which has been in effect for almost 1 year now. No one can now say that they didnt have time to exit.
2. Louisville really was as better/as good as UMD. In this case, a good replacement made it easier for UMD to argue that the ACC really didnt suffer lost revenue when they left. I doubt the same replacement will be available the next time around.
3. The annual revenue for the ACC will continue to go up so the "penalty" for exit will increase as well.
4. I expect the ACC network to start in the future. This will only increase revenue and therefore, the potential for lost revenue in the future.
5. The ACC learned from this case and will make sure that the "weaknesses" in their case this time are fixed in the future.

 

[Cleanface]

your an idiot.

Never gets old.

 

[Dooley]

More money = more opportunities to do like this:

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 15m
Maryland to provide lifetime guaranteed scholarships for all student-athletes in all sports starting in 2015

 

[UConn Dan]

More money = more opportunities to do like this: Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 15m Maryland to provide lifetime guaranteed scholarships for all student-athletes in all sports starting in 2015

Damn. If I learned anything from biggie it's that mo money = mo problems. But maybe that was all a dream.

 

[upstater]

2. Louisville really was as better/as good as UMD. In this case, a good replacement made it easier for UMD to argue that the ACC really didnt suffer lost revenue when they left. I doubt the same replacement will be available the next time around.

And this is why the ACC's style of thinking will perpetually make it the most likely conference to lose members.

A small city in Kentucky does not equal an entire state in a wealthy region when it comes to TV. The BTN creates a huge advantage for the B1G. While the ACC prefers small outposts like Syracuse, Chestnut Hill, Pittsburgh, Louisville, the B1G is grabbing up huge swaths of land in New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Maryland. Good luck with your "small" strategy.

 

[billybud]

For college football watching...major urban markets seem to be sanguine...

College Football’s Top 25 Highest-Rated Markets: Birmingham, Oklahoma City & Columbus Top Three in 2011



Top 25 Markets for 2011
No. 1 Birmingham: 5.9 rating
No. 2 Oklahoma City: 4.3 rating Columbus: 4.3 rating
No. 4 Greenville: 4.1 rating
No. 5 New Orleans: 3.4 rating Atlanta: 3.4 ratingNo. 7 Jacksonville: 3.3 rating Tulsa: 3.3 rating
No. 9 Las Vegas: 3.2 rating
No. 10 Knoxville: 3.0 rating
No. 11 Dayton: 2.8 rating
No. 12 Greensboro: 2.7 rating Austin: 2.7 rating Charlotte: 2.7 rating Fort Myers: 2.7 rating
No. 16 Pittsburgh: 2.5 rating Nashville: 2.5 rating Norfolk: 2.5 rating Memphis: 2.5
No. 20 Cleveland: 2.4No. 21 Orlando: 2.3No. 22 Raleigh-Durham: 2.2 West Palm Beach: 2.2 Detroit: 2.2
No. 25 Cincinnati: 2.0 Richmond: 2.0 Portland 2.0 Kansas City: 2.0 Tampa-St. Petersburg: 2.0

 

[upstater]

For college football watching...major urban markets seem to be sanguine...

College Football’s Top 25 Highest-Rated Markets: Birmingham, Oklahoma City & Columbus Top Three in 2011



Top 25 Markets for 2011
No. 1 Birmingham: 5.9 rating
No. 2 Oklahoma City: 4.3 rating Columbus: 4.3 rating
No. 4 Greenville: 4.1 rating
No. 5 New Orleans: 3.4 rating Atlanta: 3.4 ratingNo. 7 Jacksonville: 3.3 rating Tulsa: 3.3 rating
No. 9 Las Vegas: 3.2 rating
No. 10 Knoxville: 3.0 rating
No. 11 Dayton: 2.8 rating
No. 12 Greensboro: 2.7 rating Austin: 2.7 rating Charlotte: 2.7 rating Fort Myers: 2.7 rating
No. 16 Pittsburgh: 2.5 rating Nashville: 2.5 rating Norfolk: 2.5 rating Memphis: 2.5
No. 20 Cleveland: 2.4No. 21 Orlando: 2.3No. 22 Raleigh-Durham: 2.2 West Palm Beach: 2.2 Detroit: 2.2
No. 25 Cincinnati: 2.0 Richmond: 2.0 Portland 2.0 Kansas City: 2.0 Tampa-St. Petersburg: 2.0

100% of the people in a small market can watch a game on TV, and it wouldn't equal 3% of the NYC audience watching the same game. Never confuse ratings with reach. More people in NYC watched the UConn women's basketball team play in the championship game than the entire Louisville market watched UK play in the men's championship game, and the Louisville market rating was the USA's highst rating. The UConn women beat that with a 4.5 rating in NYC.

 

[DDaileyuconn]

Damn. If I learned anything from biggie it's that mo money = mo problems. But maybe that was all a dream.

Baby, baby

 

[larryredbull]

And this is why the ACC's style of thinking will perpetually make it the most likely conference to lose members.

A small city in Kentucky does not equal an entire state in a wealthy region when it comes to TV. The BTN creates a huge advantage for the B1G. While the ACC prefers small outposts like Syracuse, Chestnut Hill, Pittsburgh, Louisville, the B1G is grabbing up huge swaths of land in New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Maryland. Good luck with your "small" strategy.

People like winning teams and Louisville has had plenty of that lately. They also like to watch winning teams play other winning teams which is why people from all over the country will tune in to watch Louisville play. Same reason that Miami gets great TV ratings nationwide (when they are good). Well see how well the B1G strategy works when cable goes a la carte and the excitement dies down at UMD and Rutgers.

Last a checked, Chestnut is Boston, a major TV market. By that same logic, Storrs isnt really a big market either is it?

 

[specialisthusky]

People like winning teams and Louisville has had plenty of that lately. They also like to watch winning teams play other winning teams which is why people from all over the country will tune in to watch Louisville play. Same reason that Miami gets great TV ratings nationwide (when they are good). Well see how well the B1G strategy works when cable goes a la carte and the excitement dies down at UMD and Rutgers.

Last a checked, Chestnut is Boston, a major TV market. By that same logic, Storrs isnt really a big market either is it?

If the acc is focused on winning why did it take Syracuse following its worst decade ever and Pitt and all of its mediocrity?

 

[upstater]

People like winning teams and Louisville has had plenty of that lately. They also like to watch winning teams play other winning teams which is why people from all over the country will tune in to watch Louisville play. Same reason that Miami gets great TV ratings nationwide (when they are good). Well see how well the B1G strategy works when cable goes a la carte and the excitement dies down at UMD and Rutgers.

Last a checked, Chestnut is Boston, a major TV market. By that same logic, Storrs isnt really a big market either is it?

Chestnut Hill is the extent of interest in BC athletics. UConn has all of Conn. and part of NYC.

As for your dismissal of BTN, you can wait until the cows come home, but that sucker is going to allow the B1G to use its money advantage to lure away schools.

People from all over the country are tuning in to watch Louisville?

 

[upstater]

If the acc is focused on winning why did it take Syracuse following its worst decade ever and Pitt and all of its mediocrity?

Good question. Lots of losing in those two programs.

 

[Palatine]

People like winning teams and Louisville has had plenty of that lately. They also like to watch winning teams play other winning teams which is why people from all over the country will tune in to watch Louisville play. Same reason that Miami gets great TV ratings nationwide (when they are good). Well see how well the B1G strategy works when cable goes a la carte and the excitement dies down at UMD and Rutgers.

Last a checked, Chestnut is Boston, a major TV market. By that same logic, Storrs isnt really a big market either is it?

L'ville football was in the toilet before Strong. And UConn has the best collegiate basketball program in the country.

 

[FDNY99]

People like winning teams and Louisville has had plenty of that lately. They also like to watch winning teams play other winning teams which is why people from all over the country will tune in to watch Louisville play. Same reason that Miami gets great TV ratings nationwide (when they are good). Well see how well the B1G strategy works when cable goes a la carte and the excitement dies down at UMD and Rutgers.

Last a checked, Chestnut is Boston, a major TV market. By that same logic, Storrs isnt really a big market either is it?

If you want to talk about a la carte...then the ACC may was well dump any plans it has for the ACC Network.
And just so you can have your memory refreshed...UCONN is part of the #30 DMA and #1 DMA (because Fairfield County is considered part of NYC DMA). According to the same list Louisville is #49, so enough with the bulls**t already!
http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/...easurement/television/2013-2014-DMA-Ranks.pdf

 

[larryredbull]

L'ville football was in the toilet before Strong. And UConn has the best collegiate basketball program in the country.

Yeah Petrino really had them in the toilet.... Its always fun to see how butthurt you guys are about not getting a seat at the big boy table.

 

[SubbaBub]

Yeah Petrino really had them in the toilet.... Its always fun to see how butthurt you guys are about not getting a seat at the big boy table.

Not as much fun as watching you learn that lighting doesn't strike twice in the same place. Reports are that the team isn't to happy with the old coach. I expect small things from the Cards this year.

 

[larryredbull]

Not as much fun as watching you learn that lighting doesn't strike twice in the same place. Reports are that the team isn't to happy with the old coach. I expect small things from the Cards this year.

Did the Dude tell you that?

 

[FDNY99]

Yeah Petrino really had them in the toilet.... Its always fun to see how butthurt you guys are about not getting a seat at the big boy table.

Funny how you guys seem to forget that between Petrino and Strong there was Kragthorpe...3 years of losing, and running off Petrino's players who couldn't stay out of trouble or find a classroom (APR issues). Read the SI College CFootball preview...your wonderful AD is sticking his neck out for a guy that will leave you high and dry again for the next SEC job that comes along. Before you come here and run your mouth you should have your info straight By the way does your LCC education allow you to even understand the Neilsen Ratings DMA list that I posted a link to, or is that so above your head you don't even know how to open it!.....larryredbull=A S S C L O W N

 

[larryredbull]

Funny how you guys seem to forget that between Petrino and Strong there was Kragthorpe...3 years of losing, and running off Petrino's players who couldn't stay out of trouble or find a classroom (APR issues). Read the SI College CFootball preview...your wonderful AD is sticking his neck out for a guy that will leave you high and dry again for the next SEC job that comes along. Before you come here and run your mouth you should have your info straight By the way does your LCC education allow you to even understand the nelson ratings DMA list that I posted a link to, or is that so above your head you don't even know how to open it!.....larryredbull=A S S C L O W N

Not a Louisville fan, just an observer.

Yes Kragthorpe sucked but overall they have been very successfull in the last 10 years with Petrino and Strong. Athletic Revenue backs this up as well.

 

[upstater]

Yeah Petrino really had them in the toilet.... Its always fun to see how butthurt you guys are about not getting a seat at the big boy table.

Petrino wasn't before Strong. Louisville over the last 5 or 6 years lost several football games to UConn.