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If we had gotten into the ACC, a rebuild would be a bit easier. Blame Blumenthal for us not getting an invite. At least that's what fans down here in North Carolina were telling me at last Saturday's game. The ACC still harbors a lot of hate over his lawsuit.
 
CTrefugee said:
If we had gotten into the ACC, a rebuild would be a bit easier. Blame Blumenthal for us not getting an invite. At least that's what fans down here in North Carolina were telling me at last Saturday's game. The ACC still harbors a lot of hate over his lawsuit.
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Delete stupid thread from the troll of the month.
 
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If you watched Blumenthal and his ego displayed on every possible panel news show during the Kavanaugh hearings you can understand why he wanted to push the other protagonists aside to become the face of the ACC lawsuit. He succeeded in morphing a collective effort into the “Connecticut lawsuit”. He blew it.
 
Nostical said:
If you watched Blumenthal and his ego displayed on every possible panel news show during the Kavanaugh hearings you can understand why he wanted to push the other protagonists aside to become the face of the ACC lawsuit. He succeeded in morphing a collective effort into the “Connecticut lawsuit”. He blew it.
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He’s alive! @Nostical
 
CTrefugee said:
Which part is not true ?
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While Blumenthal is and was a complete genius and egomaniacal idiot, and while the lawsuit was dumb and counterproductive, it was not the "cause" of UConn not getting into the ACC. The main "cause" is and was that we didn't take football seriously enough soon enough. It wasn't Warde eating donuts, or Susan sleeping on the job, or any of the other things people have conjured up as excuses.

We acted small time and were and are perceived as small time as a result.
 
Now I understand: Repeating information (unknowingly) and expressing an opinion opposite to yours = trolling.
How shallow. I suggest that YOU are the troll.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
While Blumenthal is and was a complete genius and egomaniacal idiot, and while the lawsuit was dumb and counterproductive, it was not the "cause" of UConn not getting into the ACC. The main "cause" is and was that we didn't take football seriously enough soon enough. It wasn't Warde eating donuts, or Susan sleeping on the job, or any of the other things people have conjured up as excuses.

We acted small time and were and are perceived as small time as a result.
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Actually, I would venture to say our rejection included other facilities, such as the baseball stadium or whatever that was. Kids play in better stadiums in collegiate summer leagues.

Other AAC schools are doing fine, I notice, especially the commuter schools.
 
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Butch said:
Actually, I would venture to say our rejection included other facilities, such as the baseball stadium or whatever that was. Kids play in better stadiums in collegiate summer league.

Other AAC schools are doing fine, I notice, especially the commuter schools.
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The AAC is a good football league. It's not even a bad basketball league if UConn and Memphis rebound.

Your point is valid. UConn acted like a basketball focused school, like say Providence, for too long. We didn't appreciate the overall commitment required to be what is now a P5. I'm not saying we aren't acting like a P5 now, we mostly are. But we were too late to make those changes and investments.

Remaining General Negatives:
  • Lack of football history and culture
  • Lack of on campus or near campus football stadium
  • Lack of fan support in key sports
  • Baseball stadium/facilities
 
HuskyHawk said:
The AAC is a good football league. It's not even a bad basketball league if UConn and Memphis rebound.

Your point is valid. UConn acted like a basketball focused school, like say Providence, for too long. We didn't appreciate the overall commitment required to be what is now a P5. I'm not saying we aren't acting like a P5 now, we mostly are. But we were too late to make those changes and investments.

Remaining General Negatives:
  • Lack of football history and culture
  • Lack of on campus or near campus football stadium
  • Lack of fan support in key sports
  • Baseball stadium/facilities
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To his credit Lew Perkins saw the writing on the wall on this issue and tried to fix it. He doesn't get enough credit for that, IMO.
 
As for the AAC, the current top 25 has 7 teams with zero losses. Three of them are in the AAC. UCF has finally moved into the top ten.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
The AAC is a good football league. It's not even a bad basketball league if UConn and Memphis rebound.

Your point is valid. UConn acted like a basketball focused school, like say Providence, for too long. We didn't appreciate the overall commitment required to be what is now a P5. I'm not saying we aren't acting like a P5 now, we mostly are. But we were too late to make those changes and investments.

Remaining General Negatives:
  • Lack of football history and culture
  • Lack of on campus or near campus football stadium
  • Lack of fan support in key sports
  • Baseball stadium/facilities
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We don't have a lack of football history. Baylor didnt have an NFL player till 1939. We had a few in the mid to late 20s.
 
HuskyHawk said:
As for the AAC, the current top 25 has 7 teams with zero losses. Three of them are in the AAC. UCF has finally moved into the top ten.
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And they are all in the same division, which is not good for us. We're winning Columbia-like against Cincinnati.
 
Butch said:
We don't have a lack of football history. Baylor didnt have an NFL player till 1939. We had a few in the mid to late 20s.
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Nobody cares about that. We played Yankee conference football during the era when football became an important TV draw, and gained national attention. In 1968 schools had to declare themselves the university division or college division. Later that became D1A and D1AA in 1978. Even Holy Cross was in the University division, but UConn was not.

History means history playing at the highest level in the modern era. Nobody cares about Yale's football history either.
 
Butch said:
Actually, I would venture to say our rejection included other facilities, such as the baseball stadium or whatever that was. Kids play in better stadiums in collegiate summer leagues.

Other AAC schools are doing fine, I notice, especially the commuter schools.
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I wonder if Northwest Park in Manchester has ever been talked about as a possible home for the Huskies at least temporarily. It is somewhat new and has pretty nice facilities for concessions and a press box and most importantly lights. Was home to the Manchester Silkworms which was a pretty popular NECBL team back in the day. I think Manchester High plays some games there but they also have a lit field at Mt. Nebo. I think capacity is probably close to J.O.
 
This dead horse again? The ACC replaced UConn with Pitt at the suggestion from ESPN after Boston College fought against inviting UConn to defend "its turf". The Carolina schools all wanted UConn but ultimately decided to support their existing conference partner.

Boston College AD: No UConn In ACC; It's A Matter Of "Turf"

Then in 2011, the football schools wanted another corrupt scam school willing to break every law imaginable to win an extra football game to help them gain Playoff access, hence Louisville. But some good came out of that time...UConn was able to improve its all-important APR score to perfect levels without having to re-admit any 30 year olds to boost its scores.
 
I think the premise that Blumenthal is the prime reason UConn never got into the ACC is bogus. Not to take anything away from the well-deserved reputation Dick has about being a loud underachiever.

THIS is simple - in my mind. OUR years of never breaking out of our Yankee conference mode hurt our stature as a Prime candidate. We simply moved to the Big East too late. We struggled to get to the right platform and the alternatives were there with stature and tradition - BC, Pitt and Syracuse. We deserve to have a chance to be a Football p5; however, BC shrewdly cut our balls off before we could prove that OUR Brand, OUR Market, OUR Football potential can easily surpass that Chestnut Hill bandbox. Particularly when you look beyond Football.

Louisville? . No way would any other Program/State throw corruption in YUM & PapaJohn facilities like Jurich got the commonwealth of Kentucky to suck it up.
 
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Even the ACC was taken by surprise by the importance of football...

Swofford said that up through the 90's, that basketball earned more than football...then the tide turned. Swofford said, in 2012, that 80% of the rights monies were from football.

From 2012:

"In the ACC, there is a legitimate divide, or battle lines drawn if you will. North Carolina and Duke sit on one end of the spectrum while Florida State, Clemson and Virginia Tech fall opposite of them. That line cuts through the sand at "what's most important" for a university community to strive for greatness, in the athletic realm.

For Florida State, Clemson and Virginia Tech the answer is simple, football is where they have constructed their identity and how they are building their brand. On the UNC and Duke side, they have opted to tie themselves to basketball.

Well, in the wake of expansion and the numbers piling up with television, we have a clear right and wrong. A winner and a loser of sorts. A right way and a wrong way.

The writing is on the wall. In growing a basketball first league the ACC has effectively limited itself from cashing in the way other conferences have. For all of the passion and the zeal the pockets of fans have during college basketball season; they do not move the meter the way college football does. At least not in the regular season.

As a conference the ACC backed the wrong horse and it is a little late to climb aboard the football train. What happens next is anyone's guess. Certainly pulling Notre Dame in would be great, but the Fighting Irish have no need to make that move until they are at the end of their rope in the big picture.

All you can do is recognize your mistake and hope to fix it in the future. In the case of the ACC, they have to hope they can fix it before things get to a point of no return. As teams look for a way out, a way to make more money, the ACC must come up with a strategy to improve their marketable product.

Losing Florida State, Clemson or Virginia Tech would only serve to further dilute and devalue the football product. That makes the next move in conference expansion even more important for the ACC as they fight to correct their issue."
 
I know this much... once anyone associated stops laughing from the St Joe’s on TIC news they probably don’t feel a ton of regret.
 
Correct. UConn’s entry into FBS (circa 2000) was the primary factor in us being left out. The commitment to having a top level football program should have happened 50 years earlier. But UConn was a far different place in 1950 than it was in 2000. Our aspirations were quite modest in 1950.

Blumenthol was just the nail in our coffin. He sealed our fate.
 
BC kept UConn out and the lawsuit didn't help at all. Those are the two things against UConn in the ACC coming together. I blame BC as much as anything including the Blumenthal who never saw a camera he didn't want to be in front of.
 
You can believe what you want about Blumenthal, but I can tell you that few years ago I asked an individual who held the title "Senior Associate Athletic Director" at an ACC school about the correlation between Blumenthal's lawsuit and UConn not getting an invite. His reply as a terse "I think it was probably a factor in the decision to not invite UConn".
 
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