Oh, I thought you were saying St Joseph's was going to the BE....So what are you implying? The head basketball coach will have a direct effect on what conference UConn plays in six years from now?
He didn't last time. The Head Coach Emeritus didn't last time. Heck, the Athletic Director had only ancillary involvement. Conference affiliation decisions are made at the university president level and higher, to say nothing of the fact that conference affiliation is not an application process. Institutions must be extended an invitation. What will be the options in five years? I have a hard time believing either 1) it will be much of a choice, or 2) Dan Hurley's input will be actively solicited. What would he have to offer? His role in conference realignment is to win basketball games and graduate player. Period. That and only that will help put the athletic department's best foot forward.
No. Not even close. I'm in the college baseball community. Keep getting ranked regularly for a few more years, get to a few more CWS, get some more guys drafted and we'll talk.But seriously, in the college baseball community, the fact that UConn is currently the best program in the northeast is really not up for much debate.
Look this thread has had a lot of weird side arguments.
<3Guys, I adore Penders. UConn's had streaks of success in the past. But they're not in St. John's zip code in terms of historical significance and reputation. If you said UConn was a better program than St. John's to anyone worth their salt in college baseball, you'd get yourself a giggle or two.
I love the UConn program, they're not just the fastest growing program in the NE, but in all of college baseball arguably. I think Penders is a game-changer as coach. But they're not St. John's yet.
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This is the only sane way to look at things. It's pretty cut and dried. We're pot-committed to football until the next major round of CR; there's no way in hell we're doing anything with the football program until that happens. We need to get football to not be a complete dumpster fire; clearly P5 conferences don't care all that much about how good you are since the B1G took Rutgers and the ACC wanted us before Pitt before we got cockblocked by BC.What's the rush to join the Big East? You think they won't take us in five or six years? They're gonna be loving that $5mm/year they get from FS2 so badly they won't need the UConn brand? Don't want to dilute Creighton too much?
The Big East will take us whenever.
Right now, we're basically gambling whatever the cost of our current football losses are to get into a P5 eventually. Two scenarios:
Scenario One (current hope): Edsalls gets his own recruits and after 2-3 years, the team is competitive again. Within 5 years, they are fighting for the AAC crown and known as a decent mid-major football program. They can compete with the likes of lesser P5 schools like Illinois, Duke, Kentucky, Rutgers, etc.
When the next wave of TV contracts are up, maybe someone, whether it's the ACC or Big Ten, decides the relatively wealthy TV market of Hartford/New Haven is pretty attractive, as well as the UConn basketball brand and the not-entirely-terrible football team, and UConn gets called up.
In this case, you've spent about $13/million a year, but now you're making between $20-30 million a year in TV rights, so obviously you've done well in the long run, your athletic department is safe. You've entered the Rutgers Safety Zone.
Scenario Two (most basketball-only fans think this is the likely one): Despite best efforts, rebuilding UConn football program remains untenable. Edsall just isn't up for the job, they continue to flounder int he AAC, attendance is terrible, and they remain a very bad football team.
Whether P5 picks someone else from the AAC or not, UConn is not going anywhere.
In this case, you dump football or go Independent (or FCS?). You put basketball in the Big East, where you can recruit, but you still don't make to much money and the TV ratings are pretty bad but at least we're all pretty happy with that. Maybe revenue goes up, but it's still nothing comapred to P5. But at least it's cheap to run a basketball program so even if you aren't really making a ton of money, you aren't losing it either.
You just spent a cool $100 million on the gamble and lost.
I can't imagine a third scenario where the Big East says no in 5-6 years, but anything is possible.
I don't think it's ridiculous to take either side of this argument. We've committed so much to Scenario One, that's why we keep going. It seems the most viable way forward, even if the gamble seems quite the gamble currently. But we've committed to it for now. Some folks think the ship has sailed, it's time to give up. Some folks think another wave of realignment will come with TV contracts up in 2023 or whatever.
Both of these sides can be intelligent, reasonable sides. That you could dismiss either as "unintelligent" is only exposing your own idiocy.
But people rooting AGAINST football to get to Scenario Two faster? That just seems crazy. I am rooting for Scenario One currently, but I don't know how likely it is. But at this point, to me, the money is worth the risk, cause so much can be gained later. If we lose it, we lose it. But the only way to be sure you lose is to not play.
Forget the Big East, not happening for some good reasons.Yeah Unless the amount of money you are getting for the deal is much larger with the GOR I don’t see how the big fish in the conference sign it (UCF, USF, Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UConn). For the other big schools don’t know if you wanna risk possible P5 realignment before 2025 with a huge exit fee. And for UConn in the more likely scenerio they ditch AAC it would be for the Big East. But if the tv deal with GOR brings in an incredible amount of money compared to now they might be compelled to sign. Idk very tricky. Also don’t wanna be the rumors guy but it can’t be a coincidence that it’s coming right off the Big east commissioners comments about expanding to 11 which i would think would be UConn or less likely Gonzaga