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Oh Fox Sports is failing. And failing spectacularly.

Maybe Katie Nolan will save them. L O L.
 
Vuce said:
My understanding was that Espn had the option to simply match the best offer made by another outlet. That was part of the contract. So when NBCSN low balled the AAC Espn just said they would pay the peanuts it took to retain the rights. It's like an MLB rookie who comes up, the team has a few years to pay him minimal money before they have to negotiate a contract. Why would Espn pay any more than they had to? NBCSN was never serious about it and it hurt the league big time. The AAC won't get mega dollars but they will do better than the current $$ when this deal is up.
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Wait one minute . If the AAC deal with ESPN was a steal at peanuts money why did UConn have to give up all its tier three rights just to get back less money than they were making from those rights.
Are you telling me Aresco is an idiot or more likely The folks at UConn are idiots.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Compare/contrast Big 12 content to Big East content, or did you pull that statement out of your butt?
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Probably out of my ass since I can't find anything on the big 12. I know the UFC on fox sports does really well, so it isn't that people can't find the channel. Their CFB does well too. It boggles the mind no one is watching the big east. Simply put, everyday it looks more like fox effed up. Time will tell. They got ten more years on the contract.
 
There are two factors working against the NBE here:
1) Games are being broadcast on a channel the casual sports fan either doesn't have with their standard cable package or doesn't care to seek out
2)The biggest draws for the conference (UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Louisville) are no longer there. Sure, Nova and Georgetown still have their following, but they pale in comparison to the schools listed above.
 
1999.2004.2011 said:
There are two factors working against the NBE here:
1) Games are being broadcast on a channel the casual sports fan either doesn't have with their standard cable package or doesn't care to seek out
2)The biggest draws for the conference (UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Louisville) are no longer there. Sure, Nova and Georgetown still have their following, but they pale in comparison to the schools listed above.
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Pitt and WVU have big followings? Did you watch the Pitt game last night?

The Big East was incredibly successful 35 years ago with a bunch of big city college schools with modest reputations playing on a start up sports network. The difference this time around is that the schools have much better brands and the network has better backing than a couple of guys in a shack built on top of a former dump in Bristol.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Pitt and WVU have big followings? Did you watch the Pitt game last night?

The Big East was incredibly successful 35 years ago with a bunch of big city college schools with modest reputations playing on a start up sports network. The difference this time around is that the schools have much better brands and the network has better backing than a couple of guys in a shack built on top of a former dump in Bristol.
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Yeah I saw the Pitt game, but its the NIT, and I would take attendance at those games with a grain of salt. Heck, the last time we were in the NIT (2010) and we played a home game at Gampel, and there couldn't have been more than 6,000 people at that game.

Pitt and WVU may not be national universities, but their brands are well recognized by the casual fan. (Pitt in basketball, WVU in football).
 
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What is it that people don't get about the NBE? It's a collection of religious-affiliated, small private schools. That means small alumni bases and therefore small interest outside of their immediate markets. Hence, not much ability to draw a national audience with large ratings. It isn't rocket science.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Pitt and WVU have big followings? Did you watch the Pitt game last night?

The Big East was incredibly successful 35 years ago with a bunch of big city college schools with modest reputations playing on a start up sports network. The difference this time around is that the schools have much better brands and the network has better backing than a couple of guys in a shack built on top of a former dump in Bristol.
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Well, I guess you just explained why the games are drawing good numbers on FS1. As long as we don't look at the facts that are dead opposite, we can assume you must be correct.
 
MattMang23 said:
What is it that people don't get about the NBE? It's a collection of religious-affiliated, small private schools. That means small alumni bases and therefore small interest outside of their immediate markets. Hence, not much ability to draw a national audience with large ratings. It isn't rocket science.
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I find that people who begin sentences with "what is it that people don't get..." often don't get it.

Look at attendance numbers. Creighton and Marquette are top 20, and Butler, Providence, Villanova, Georgetown and Xavier are all Top 60. And these are all city arenas that are not padding attendance numbers with free or $5 student tickets. Do you think anyone in the south cares about SEC basketball other than in Lexington?

What is particularly surprising is how a UConn fan can not see the power that these big city schools have with TV. UConn's program doesn't have the banners hanging from the ceiling if it is still in the Yankee Conference. The fact that I have to point that out to you says a lot about your understanding of this issue.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I don't suspect you geniuses who are rooting for FoxSports to fail realize the implications of only having ESPN as a bidder for the AAC, which is amazing given what the league went through with the NBC Sports low ball bid. It is like UConn fans are rooting for UConn to fail.
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I don't want FS to fail. I don't think pointing out that the BE's ratings on FS1 are poor means people are rooting for failure.

Maybe UConn could try to sell itself as a ratings fix to the league. But given all those schools are getting paid for the duration of a 10 year contract, I don't see why they'd split the pie just for a ratings bump (which would average out to be small over the course of a season).
nelsonmuntz said:
Pitt and WVU have big followings? Did you watch the Pitt game last night?

The Big East was incredibly successful 35 years ago with a bunch of big city college schools with modest reputations playing on a start up sports network. The difference this time around is that the schools have much better brands and the network has better backing than a couple of guys in a shack built on top of a former dump in Bristol.
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Other than Georgetown and Nova, who has a better brand in that league than they did in the 70s? Nobody. St. John's is mostly irrelevant in NYC now that they don't play Cuse and UConn. When was the last time Providence or Seton Hall had any lasting cachet in the national media? Butler had some a few years ago but that has worn off. If one of those schools makes a final 4, it would really help the school and BE brand (obviously) but they're not going to be able to do that consistently enough to get through to the non-BE fan. IMHO.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Look at attendance numbers. Creighton and Marquette are top 20, and Butler, Providence, Villanova, Georgetown and Xavier are all Top 60. And these are all city arenas that are not padding attendance numbers with free or $5 student tickets. Do you think anyone in the south cares about SEC basketball other than in Lexington?
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Yes games in their home cities are well attended. I believe I made the point that they don't draw OUTSIDE of their markets, not that the attendance in their home arenas is down. And yes, I believe people care about the SEC if their team is playing.

nelsonmuntz said:
What is particularly surprising is how a UConn fan can not see the power that these big city schools have with TV. UConn's program doesn't have the banners hanging from the ceiling if it is still in the Yankee Conference. The fact that I have to point that out to you says a lot about your understanding of this issue.
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The last time a non-FBS school won the national title in BASKETBALL was 1985, unless you count UConn in 1999 while we were transitioning. Why? Because most of the schools that have won the basketball national title in that time, with the exception of Duke, are large, public universities with expansive fan bases, national brands, and appeal, and the exception to that rule has one of the largest fan bases in the country and is a polarizing brand, so people watch them. This all means more money, more exposure and more access to better recruits. By and large, more people watch those teams on TV because they have more alumni and their fanbases are therefore far larger. NBE has no such team like that. They are a collection of small private schools, with less alumni.

Theres a reason when I was in NYC I found a Michigan bar but was unable to find the Creighton one. People care about big schools. They watch them. People outside of their own cities couldn't give a crap less if Marquette is on tv.

Talk about not getting it...
 
The old Big East happened to be the perfect storm. The whole was in fact greater than the sum of its parts. MSG, regional, basketball, coaching characters...it all added up to the start of something great and unique, a great run. The programs all benefited. Trying to recreate a new Big East will not have the same results, I think that is very clear.
 
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UCONN13KC said:
The old Big East happened to be the perfect storm. The whole was in fact greater than the sum of its parts. MSG, regional, basketball, coaching characters...it all added up to the start of something great and unique, a great run. The programs all benefited. Trying to recreate a new Big East will not have the same results, I think that is very clear.
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What results will we get trying to recreate a CUSA without Louisville and with two northern outposts?
 
MattMang23 said:
Yes games in their home cities are well attended. I believe I made the point that they don't draw OUTSIDE of their markets, not that the attendance in their home arenas is down. And yes, I believe people care about the SEC if their team is playing.



The last time a non-FBS school won the national title in BASKETBALL was 1985, unless you count UConn in 1999 while we were transitioning. Why? Because most of the schools that have won the basketball national title in that time, with the exception of Duke, are large, public universities with expansive fan bases, national brands, and appeal, and the exception to that rule has one of the largest fan bases in the country and is a polarizing brand, so people watch them. This all means more money, more exposure and more access to better recruits. By and large, more people watch those teams on TV because they have more alumni and their fanbases are therefore far larger. NBE has no such team like that. They are a collection of small private schools, with less alumni.

Theres a reason when I was in NYC I found a Michigan bar but was unable to find the Creighton one. People care about big schools. They watch them. People outside of their own cities couldn't give a crap less if Marquette is on tv.

Talk about not getting it...
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Your argument is that Michigan has a big fan base, therefore we should be in a league with Tulsa and Tulane. Got it.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
What results will we get trying to recreate a CUSA without Louisville and with two northern outposts?
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Don't ask me, this was not UCONN's choice. The C-7 left the Big East to form a lesser conference.
 
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Fox bought the Big East Name, that's it. They believed that the historical perception of the conference would be enough to draw casual viewers regardless of what schools made up its membership. Clearly they miscalculated.

No one outside of the general area that these schools are located in gives a schit about them. I have not watched more than 5 minutes of any game in The new Big East, and by looking at the ratings I imagine that I'm not alone. The success of the Big East was in the juxtaposition of big schools versus small schools, historical powers versus up and comers. Now when the average viewer tunes in they see Seton Hall playing Marquette. Good luck with that, when odds are there is an ACC, B1G, or SEC game on at the same time. It's a losing proposition, and UCONN going there is tantamount to capitulation for your AD.
 
One thing I am curious about is what happens if Nova is the only NBE school to make it out of the first weekend of the tournament (not an unrealistic possibility) and they get knocked off in the sweet 16? That conference flamed out in the tourney last year and could very well do so again. At some point they will need to build some credibility against other conferences in March.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
One thing I am curious about is what happens if Nova is the only NBE school to make it out of the first weekend of the tournament (not an unrealistic possibility) and they get knocked off in the sweet 16? That conference flamed out in the tourney last year and could very well do so again. At some point they will need to build some credibility against other conferences in March.
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For casual fans it should inform or bracket selections.

Otherwise, I don't think the committee should be considering past performances when drafting a field. Every team is different, and each year is different.
 
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whaler11 said:
Oh Fox Sports is failing. And failing spectacularly.

Maybe Katie Nolan will save them. L O L.
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People said exactly the same thing when Fox announced it was going to start a new network to compete against the big three. How did that work out. People said they were crazy when they said they were going to start a news division to compete against CNN. How did that work out? Fox will spend what ever money and the amount of time they need to make their sports side successful. It won't be done over night, but they will find a way to get it done.
 
captainron2 said:
People said exactly the same thing when Fox announced it was going to start a new network to compete against the big three. How did that work out. People said they were crazy when they said they were going to start a news division to compete against CNN. How did that work out? Fox will spend what ever money and the amount of time they need to make their sports side successful. It won't be done over night, but they will find a way to get it done.
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Fox will spend the money, it’ll take time but history shows they will get this right. Real competition for content will only be good for UCONN.
 
tzznandrew said:
For casual fans it should inform or bracket selections.

Otherwise, I don't think the committee should be considering past performances when drafting a field. Every team is different, and each year is different.
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I'm talking mostly in terms of their ability to try to tell the general public an the media that they have not become a mid-major.

In the early days of the original BE, the conference was able to combat criticism because the bulk of the schools that did make the tournament over performed (in terms of public perception at time of selection). People outside of the BE were griping about four schools making the 1982 tournament yet three made it to the elite eight.

The current incarnation of the BE has gotten (outside of viewing audience) more respect from both the media and the general public than it has earned. The goodwill that the conference name and the identity of the (two, Nova & Georgetown) marquee members has to have a shelf life. Somewhere down the road reality will catch up to perception so the BE will need to perform well in tournaments soon. If it can't Nelson will no longer have anything to debate on this front.
 
MattMang23 said:
Yes games in their home cities are well attended. I believe I made the point that they don't draw OUTSIDE of their markets, not that the attendance in their home arenas is down. And yes, I believe people care about the SEC if their team is playing.



The last time a non-FBS school won the national title in BASKETBALL was 1985, unless you count UConn in 1999 while we were transitioning. Why? Because most of the schools that have won the basketball national title in that time, with the exception of Duke, are large, public universities with expansive fan bases, national brands, and appeal, and the exception to that rule has one of the largest fan bases in the country and is a polarizing brand, so people watch them. This all means more money, more exposure and more access to better recruits. By and large, more people watch those teams on TV because they have more alumni and their fanbases are therefore far larger. NBE has no such team like that. They are a collection of small private schools, with less alumni.

Theres a reason when I was in NYC I found a Michigan bar but was unable to find the Creighton one. People care about big schools. They watch them. People outside of their own cities couldn't give a crap less if Marquette is on tv.

Talk about not getting it...
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You just used Michigan as a justification for why the Big East would be bad for UConn. That is exactly what you did.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
You just used Michigan as a justification for why the Big East would be bad for UConn. That is exactly what you did.
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Are you being dense? He said that the NBE is a collection of small private schools. UConn is a medium-sized public school aiming to be a large public school. Culturally UConn fits with the B1G far better than the NBE.
 
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