OT: a timeline for rotten fruit

[sammydabiz]

(Wish I could take credit for it, but saw this posted on a Gtown blog, helluva job imo, let's see what the NCAA adds to the list once the full findings come out)

Included below is a timeline that has been painstakingly put together over the years chronicling the issues and arrests that have followed the Syracuse program:

2015: Syracuse University, in response to an NCAA investigation, self-imposes a ban on its men's basketball team from postseason play.
Syracuse basketball self-imposes postseason ban this year in NCAA investigation

2014: Syracuse officials have been invited to an NCAA hearing at the end of the month as part of a multi-year inquiry into the SU athletic department, two sources told syracuse.com. The hearing in front of the NCAA's Committee on Infractions signifies the lengthy investigation into Syracuse is complete. It will serve as one of the final steps before determining whether the school has committed NCAA violations and if it will be punished.
A timeline of the NCAA's investigation into Syracuse basketball program

2014: Former Syracuse basketball player Donte Greene was arrested for fighting outside of a Miami Beach nightclub. Greene could be charged with battery and disorderly conduct.
Donte Greene was tasered in the rear end during Sunday morning brawl, according to TMZ report

2013: The current suspension of Syracuse University basketball player James Southerland is the result of an NCAA investigation into the SU basketball program's academic records, according to three sources with knowledge of the situation.
Syracuse forward James Southerland's suspension related to NCAA investigation

2012: Sophomore point guard Michael Carter-Williams was seen placing a bathrobe and a pair of gloves into his backpack at a local Lord & Taylor department store in the Destiny USA mall on Dec. 9, two sources told the Syracuse Post-Standard. Carter-Williams signed a store form acknowledging the theft and paid a $500 fine, the Post-Standard reported. Lord & Taylor declined to press charges.
Syracuse mum about Michael Carter-Williams' alleged shoplifting incident

2012 - Four "sources with intimate knowledge" of the Syracuse program, detail systematic lapses in the University's administration of their internal policy regarding positive drug tests. 10 different players failed tests and "were allowed to practice and play at times when they should have been suspended." One player tested positive four times with no action, another three times.
Report: N.C.A.A. Investigates Syracuse Over Failed Drug Tests

2011: Long time assistant coach Bernie Fine is dismissed following accusations that he engaged in appropriate sexual conduct with a minor. Fine's accusers (at least some of them) were determined to be credible by the Syracuse PD.
Syracuse Coach Dismissed Amid Sex Probe
Some Bernie Fine accusers are credible, police chief, DA agree

2011: Starting Center Fab Melo was charged with criminal mischief. The charge stemmed from an incident where Melo reached through the open driver's side window of a 2003 Chevrolet Impala while it was occupied by a female student, and broke the turn signal control arm making it inoperable. In light of the situation, City Judge James Cecile issued an order of protection for the woman who was in the car at the time of the incident.
Syracuse basketball player Fab Melo arraigned in city court on criminal mischief charge

2011: Former Syracuse University basketball player Josh Wright was arrested in a prostitution sting in Utica. Wright was charged with third-degree patronizing a prostitute, a misdemeanor, and loitering for the purpose of engaging in prostitution, a violation. Wright left Syracuse in December, 2007, in the middle of his senior season, for personal and academic reasons.

"It's flawed," Jim Boeheim said at the time about the APR system. "There is absolutely nothing a coach can do if a kid wants to leave and train for the NBA. If he was leaving and walking the streets, I'd understand."
Former Syracuse basketball player Josh Wright arrested, charged with patronizing a prostitute
Increase in academic cutline approved

2010: Syracuse men's basketball team scored a 912 on the most recent APR. The NCAA's cutline is 925. Colorado was the only other major conference school with a men's basketball program under the NCAA's minimum.
NCAA penalizing Syracuse University men's basketball team

2010: Former player Paul Harris pleaded guilty to a single count of attempted second-degree menacing in Buffalo City Court. He had faced charges of second-degree menacing, second-degree unlawful imprisonment and unlawful possession of marijuana. Harris was accused of "holding a female against her will at gunpoint and threatening to harm and kill her."
Paul Harris guilty of menacing

2010: Former players Josh Pace and Eric Devendorf spend a night in jail after their involvement a bar room brawl following a basketball game in Napier, New Zealand.
Eric Devendorf dumped by Waikato Pistons

2009: Former player, Damone Brown, was charged with a felony count of money laundering. Authorities seized $170,000 from the box before Brown was arrested in Reno Thursday morning. An FBI agent was shot and wounded during a roundup of drug and money-laundering suspects that included Brown. Brown was alleged to be a member of the "31 Gang" in Buffalo, NY. "Thirty-one is a very active gang that has been plaguing the east side of the city of Buffalo for quite some time now," Police Commissioner H. McCarthy Gipson said. "We have known them to be very, very violent."

Without discussing details, authorities said the gang had been linked to the death of a 21-year-old man, Rome Ward, whose decomposed body was found in a vacant house in August 2007, a month after he was reported missing.
Former SU player Damone Brown arrested in Reno after Buffalo drug raid

2008: Syracuse starting guard Eric Devendorf was suspended indefinitely after allegedly hitting a female student in the face. The case was review for University review, which concluded: "The Board found that on or about Nov. 1, 2008 at or near 703 Walnut Avenue, you physically harassed another Syracuse University student by intentionally striking her with your hand causing her to become alarmed and annoyed." The initial suspension was ultimately reduced to 40 hours of community service.
Devendorf suspended from Syracuse University; board says he didn't take past probation seriously

2008: Syracuse University basketball player Scoop Jardine knew another student's identification card was being used to order more than $100 worth of food, helped carry in the food when it was delivered to his apartment and then tried to cover up his involvement, according to a statement from his cousin filed in court today.
SU basketball's Jardine linked to stolen ID card

2008: A Syracuse dean was fired for refusing to cover up the 2007 assault of a female student on campus by Syracuse Basketball Players Jonny Flynn, Antonio "Scoop" Jardine and Richard Jackson.
Dean Whose Silence Couldn't Be Bought

2008: Former player Josh Wright charged with fourth-degree grand larceny. Wright admitted to stealing a credit card from an acquaintance in Westmoreland, NY. According to NYS Troopers, Wright admitted to taking the card on June 24 when the victim's purse was knocked over, causing the card to fall out. Wright and the victim were riding in the same vehicle on the highway at the time.
Ex-SU basketball player accused of credit card theft

2008: Former player Carmelo Anthony arrested and convicted of DUI. Anthony refused to take a breathalyzer, but the arresting officer classified the level of impairment as "extreme".
Nuggets' Anthony apologizes after being charged with DUI

2008: Guard Eric Devendorf is put on probation by the University for harming another student.
Suspension of SU's Eric Devendorf upheld, penalty changed

2007: Syracuse Basketball Players Jonny Flynn, Antonio "Scoop" Jardine and Richard Jackson charged with sexual assault of a female student on campus. The players were ultimately cleared by an Onondaga County grand jury. An SU Judicial Affairs panel made up of faculty and staff also cleared the players, but placed the three teammates on disciplinary probation until the spring of 2011, because the panel concluded the players' conduct could have threatened the female student's mental health. They must complete 30 hours of community service, take part in a gender sensitivity and domestic violence education program and go through an evaluation to determine if counseling is needed.
SU basketball players cleared of sexual assault, placed on probation

Jardine would later reference this incident on Twitter in 2010 saying: "#collegetaughtme that groupies really exist! But we just call them #teamplayers! Ahaha"
Time for schools to ban Twitter

2004: Incoming player Paul Harris spent 13 days in jail after being charged with drug possession while a high school student in Niagara Falls. Harris was also involved with charges of assault against his girl friend which were later dropped.
Paul Harris Snubbed

2004: Former player Carmelo Anthony arrest for possession of marijuana. Boarding a team plane, Marijuana was found in Anthony's back pack following a routine search. Anthony "had no idea had the drugs got there."
Friend to claim marijuana was his

 

[sammydabiz]

2002: Syracuse's leading scorer DeShaun Williams was arrested for allegedly hitting Nicole Wilcox, the team's mascot, during a bar fight in early May. Although Wilcox sustained an injury to her right eye that reqiuired four stitches', Williams was ultimately acquitted by a grand jury. He was released by the team following this incident.
Syracuse Dismisses Its Point Guard

2001: Syracuse guard DeShaun Williams suspended three games for violation of Student Code of Conduct. Williams was charged with driving while intoxicated. He was eventually convicted of driving while ability impaired
DeShaun Williams Transfers to Iona

2001: Syracuse University Judicial Board gave Billy Edelin an indefinite suspension for his role in an alleged sexual assault. A freshman student claimed Edelin had raped her. Another claimed Edelin had sexually harassed her. Court charges were dropped because of insufficient evidence.
Billy Edelin's long ordeal isn't over yet

1998: Former Syracuse player Derrick Blower admitted to federal charges that he served as an "enforcer" in a cocaine ring. He plead guilty to a charge of interstate travel to deal drugs in satisfaction of a four count indictment that included cocaine and weapons charges.
Link.

1997: Former player John Wallace faced harassment charges stemming from an incident where he allegedly punched his girl friend in the face and choked her during a quarrel over their son. Ultimately the girl friend withdraw the charges.
Wallace's Girlfriend To Drop Charges

1996 - Former player John Wallace was arrested when he failed to follow officers' instructions after being issued a ticket. Wallace was ticketed for playing his car radio too loudly during a visit to his hometown, and was ultimately arrested when he failed to follow the officers' instructions.
Wallace Is Too Noisy

1996: Forward Todd Burgan was suspended for 7 games following his breach of the Schools Student Conduct Code by "using physical harm and threat of physical harm against" a female student.
Link.

1995: Returning starter, Michael Lloyd was found by the NCAA ruled to have falsified his academic transcript from San Jacinto Junior College and was not qualified to be enrolled at Syracuse. As a result he not permitted to play his senior season.
#15 Michael Lloyd

1993: Michael Edwards was suspended following his arrest in January for breaking into a car, though charges would eventually be dropped.
#12 Michael Edwards

1993: Six Syracuse basketball players were involved in a late-night confrontation at a Syracuse bar. Michael Edwards and Anthony Harriswent to the apartment of teammate Conrad McRae, got a hammer, and picked up three teammates at another club, at which point the six players -- with the hammer -- went back to the bar Edwards pounded on the bar's Plexiglas windows with the hammer, demanding that the bouncers come outside and fight. Windows were also smashed on cars owned by people who had nothing to do with the bar.
Seems Orangemen Could Use A Good Dose Of Common Sense
How Syracuse Basketball Coach Jim Boeheim's Public Statements Contribute To A Poisonous Atmosphere

1992: Syracuse University's men's basketball program, traditionally a national powerhouse, was placed on two years of probation yesterday by the National Collegiate Athletic Association for widespread violations involving recruits and student athletes.
COLLEGES; N.C.A.A. Calls a Two-Year Foul on Syracuse

1992: Syracuse basketball player Conrad McRae was arrested for fighting with two police officers outside a campus restaurant during a melee that involved more than 100 people.
How Syracuse Basketball Coach Jim Boeheim's Public Statements Contribute To A Poisonous Atmosphere

McRae, 21, was charged with resisting arrest, obstructing governmental administration and criminal mischief, police said. The first two charges are misdemeanors and punishable by up to a year in jail.
Jurisprudence

1991: City police asked a judge to issue a criminal summons charging Adrian Autry with harassment for punching an ex-girlfriend.
How Syracuse Basketball Coach Jim Boeheim's Public Statements Contribute To A Poisonous Atmosphere

1991: Adrian Autry hosts recruit Wilfred Kirkaldy. "Kirkaldy was told that evening by Orangemen guard Adrian Autry that a female student wanted to meet him. The police said that Kirkaldy eventually met the woman, an 18-year-old freshman alone, shared drinks with her and brought her to his room at the Sheraton University Inn." Kirkaldy was stood accused of rape but Judge J. Kevin Mulroy of the Onondaga County Court dismissed the case and lamented the damage to Kirkaldy's reputation.
BASKETBALL; A Young Basketball Star Puts Ordeal Behind Him

1990: Police investigate Billy Owens "pummeling" a 19-year-old Syracuse resident. Billy Owens and three other men allegedly assaulted the man for throwing a snowball at a car Owens was driving. Owens was not arrested. The man declined to press charges.
How Syracuse Basketball Coach Jim Boeheim's Public Statements Contribute To A Poisonous Atmosphere

1990: Syracuse Basketball Player Dave Johnson was the focus of an investigation of sexual misconduct involving a 14-year-old girl by Syracuse police.
How Syracuse Basketball Coach Jim Boeheim's Public Statements Contribute To A Poisonous Atmosphere

1989: Syracuse basketball forward Derrick Coleman was sentenced to 50 hours of community service and ordered to make restitution for damage after pleading guilty to charges of harassment and disorderly conduct. This followed a fracas in which Coleman, who was with a group of athletes unhappy about having to pay a $2.50 admission charge at a campus dance, punched a man and kicked in two doors.
An American Disgrace

1988: Syracuse Basketball Player Derrick Coleman was charged with a misdemeanor count of criminal mischief and harassment, a violation, in 1988 following a fight and break-ins at two students' apartments.
Derrick Coleman

1981: Syracuse basketball players Andre Hawkins and Ron Payton were charged with rape following a game at the Big East Tournament. In court today, under questioning by State Prosecutor John Bailey, Miss Sullivan, 21, said she was attempting to rebuild her life and did not wish to relive the experience - charges were dropped.
Charges of Rape Are Dismissed

 

[CL82]

I read this and found missing items like JB's "liar" quote and Laurie Fine's history of um "tutoring" Cuse players. Still for a fanbase that love to throw stones, there's an awful lot of glass hanging out there.

Congrats, I'm sure this earn you a spot the 'Cuse board banned list, if you weren't all ready on it.

 

[BoatShow]

I would joke about putting this on a tshirt but some Georgetown fans already did. Then Cuse tried to get them in trouble for profiting off the likeness of NCAA athletes. Hilarious

 

[Kembacity]

I dont really agree with listing the infractions of former players here. I also don't really want to see this list of UConn problems. We had quite a list of scuffles with the law, laptops, brian fair shoplifting, knifeman, dyson/wiggins smoking, I don't think a former player who isn't successful being arrested for trying to buy a prostitute should negatively impact Cuse

 

[BoatShow]

I dont really agree with listing the infractions of former players here. I also don't really want to see this list of UConn problems. We had quite a list of scuffles with the law, laptops, brian fair shoplifting, knifeman, dyson/wiggins smoking, I don't think a former player who isn't successful being arrested for trying to buy a prostitute should negatively impact Cuse

I agree with you about not wanting to see a list like this for our guys. However, for whatever reason we've always had the perception of a "dirty program" or our players are "thugs" or "UConnvicts" etc. You never hear this about Cuse and they're just as bad.

 

[BoatShow]

Also re: Dyson/Wiggins smoking. Whoops our bad for suspending dudes with positive drug tests. Apparently Cuse doesn't have to do that.

 

[Kembacity]

Also re: Dyson/Wiggins smoking. Whoops our bad for suspending dudes with positive drug tests. Apparently Cuse doesn't have to do that.

agreed, that's a point

I remember when they beat us (while playing Fab Melo) and then right after, right before they tourney they were like 'oh Fab can't read or count past 11, we just noticed guys, sorry, he's not going to be able to play in the tourney'... like you didn't already know that, cheaters

 

[BUConn10]

I agree with you about not wanting to see a list like this for our guys. However, for whatever reason we've always had the perception of a "dirty program" or our players are "thugs" or "UConnvicts" etc. You never hear this about Cuse and they're just as bad.

I have personally found that the title of UConn as a "dirty program" from most college basketball fans, not just Cuse fans, stems from two things:

(a) Jim Calhoun's brash personality and demeanor. He never really seemed to "play along" with the media and made zero effort to be likable in the public eye, leading to many ignorant fans assuming he has a similar personality with the NCAA rule book.

(b) This one is the most important. People assume UConn cheats and is "dirty" because of how much success they have achieved in such a short period of time. UConn essentially came out of nowhere, to many who werent paying attention to the program in the late 80's and early 90's. This coupled with the fact that they keep winning title after title makes people think that great coaching and hard working players cant be the answer, UConn MUST be cheating. They cant fathom that their mediocre program that they root for has been in middling ground for as long as they can remember, while a small state school in CT has won 4 titles in the last 16 years. They cant understand it, so they assume there must be back door deals taking place, or something ridiculous of that sort.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

(b) This one is the most important. People assume UConn cheats and is "dirty" because of how much success they have achieved in such a short period of time. UConn essentially came out of nowhere, to many who werent paying attention to the program in the late 80's and early 90's. This coupled with the fact that they keep winning title after title makes people think that great coaching and hard working players cant be the answer, UConn MUST be cheating. They cant fathom that their mediocre program that they root for has been in middling ground for as long as they can remember, while a small state school in CT has won 4 titles in the last 16 years. They cant understand it, so they assume there must be back door deals taking place, or something ridiculous of that sort.

I have literally never heard this sentiment expressed.

 

[CallMeBruce]

I couldn't possibly care less about college athletes smoking marijuana. Also, the Rashad Anderson thing was hilarious, and the humorless boob who called the police on him should be tarred and feathered.

 

[August_West]

I have literally never heard this sentiment expressed.

You never read the Kansas board, eh? The say we pay players including Deandre.

 

[Huskies4ever]

I couldn't possibly care less about college athletes smoking marijuana. Also, the Rashad Anderson thing was hilarious, and the humorless boob who called the police on him should be tarred and feathered.

I know they're in college, however, the NCAA has a drug policy, and they're expected to abide by it.

 

[Huskies4ever]

I dont really agree with listing the infractions of former players here. I also don't really want to see this list of UConn problems. We had quite a list of scuffles with the law, laptops, brian fair shoplifting, knifeman, dyson/wiggins smoking, I don't think a former player who isn't successful being arrested for trying to buy a prostitute should negatively impact Cuse

We've had our share of infractions with former players as well (Tate, Cliff, Eric Hayward, Toraino Walker, etc).

I agree, except that Syracuse seems to have a lot of sexual assault accusations, and seems to have a lot more violent incidents involving players while at Cuse.

 

[ctchamps]

We've had our share of infractions with former players as well (Tate, Cliff, Eric Hayward, Toraino Walker, etc).

I agree, except that Syracuse seems to have a lot of s e xual assault accusations, and seems to have a lot more violent incidents involving players while at Cuse.

I think we're going to find that Syracuse has been lax in it's dealing with infractions. People in this forum hated MW getting treated the way he did over the theft of computers, but his punishment was in line with all UConn students. Some thought his penalty should have been more severe than other students. My guess is that the Cuse players had a different set of standards applied to them in that they were treated less severely than the remainder of the student body.

 

[BUConn10]

I have literally never heard this sentiment expressed.

People dont often go right out and verbally express this sentiment because it can come off as "salty" or "whiney", yet many opposing fans think about it either consciously or subconsciously, it is more common than you think. Anytime a "new guy" comes onto the block and starts shaking up the status quo and beating up on traditional powerhouses, people will question how they got there so quickly, whether their claims are founded or not.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

People dont often go right out and verbally express this sentiment because it can come off as "salty" or "whiney", yet many opposing fans think about it either consciously or subconsciously, it is more common than you think. Anytime a "new guy" comes onto the block and starts shaking up the status quo and beating up on traditional powerhouses, people will question how they got there so quickly, whether their claims are founded or not.

If you want to say that it's your opinion that UConn had the reputation of a rogue program under Calhoun because of some unconscious sense that people had in their mind they were a Johnny-come-lately, then fine. But that's nothing more than your opinion. Like I said, I've been a college basketball fan for a long time, I know lots of fans of other programs, and I have literally never heard a single person express that idea.

It seems more logical to assume that people feel that way because, rightly or wrongly, UConn (1) has been in the cross-hairs of the NCAA on multiple occasions, including an investigation that got a significant amount of coverage in the media, (2) has had multiple high-profile players in trouble with the law, (3) was the only program of note to be banned from the NCAA tournament for academics (again, rightly or wrongly), and (4) had an abrasive head coach who never met a fight he didn't like and loved to thumb his nose at authority.

Edit: I'll add a #5) Calhoun liked kids with chips on their shoulders from tough backgrounds and a lot of people see a young black kid with braids or tattoos and assume they're a "thug," whatever that means. So that adds to the reputation too, Unfairly.

It seems like those things, together, might fuel the reputation more than "They're too good, they must be cheating." That sounds like something that a UConn fan with his head in the sand would say. But again that's just my opinion. [Insert something that kids say about Kermit the Frog.]

 

[Jaker]

Bending the rules and hanging banners.

 

[Jaker]

and the Cuse drug testing program was set up to ensure that the pot was of the highest quality.

 

[BUConn10]

If you want to say that it's your opinion that UConn had the reputation of a rogue program under Calhoun because of some unconscious sense that people had in their mind they were a Johnny-come-lately, then fine. But that's nothing more than your opinion. Like I said, I've been a college basketball fan for a long time, I know lots of fans of other programs, and I have literally never heard a single person express that idea.

It seems more logical to assume that people feel that way because, rightly or wrongly, UConn (1) has been in the cross-hairs of the NCAA on multiple occasions, including an investigation that got a significant amount of coverage in the media, (2) has had multiple high-profile players in trouble with the law, (3) was the only program of note to be banned from the NCAA tournament for academics (again, rightly or wrongly), and (4) had an abrasive head coach who never met a fight he didn't like and loved to thumb his nose at authority.

Edit: I'll add a #5) Calhoun liked kids with chips on their shoulders from tough backgrounds and a lot of people see a young black kid with braids or tattoos and assume they're a "thug," whatever that means. So that adds to the reputation too, Unfairly.

It seems like those things, together, might fuel the reputation more than "They're too good, they must be cheating." That sounds like something that a UConn fan with his head in the sand would say. But again that's just my opinion. [Insert something that kids say about Kermit the Frog.]

You argue that my sentiment isn't true because you have never heard an opposing fan express such an idea, and I can sit here and say that it must be true because I have indeed heard opposing fans say things of that nature. In the end there is no real quantifiable proof of which side is right or wrong, yet I can assure you out of the millions of people who follow college basketball, there is a significant minority that have expressed such thoughts, whether they are most certainly morons (which they are) or misinformed is a completely different topic.

 

[CL82]

I dont really agree with listing the infractions of former players here. I also don't really want to see this list of UConn problems. We had quite a list of scuffles with the law, laptops, brian fair shoplifting, knifeman, dyson/wiggins smoking, I don't think a former player who isn't successful being arrested for trying to buy a prostitute should negatively impact Cuse

Oh everything should negatively impact 'cuse, but I agree with the premise that counting former players post collegiate actions against their school is a bit unfair. It is, however, part of the go to material for 'cuse posters. But you are probably right that these infractions are a distraction from the decade's worth of academic fraud for which Syracuse is about to be punished.

 

[Jerry1714]

If you want to say that it's your opinion that UConn had the reputation of a rogue program under Calhoun because of some unconscious sense that people had in their mind they were a Johnny-come-lately, then fine. But that's nothing more than your opinion. Like I said, I've been a college basketball fan for a long time, I know lots of fans of other programs, and I have literally never heard a single person express that idea.

It seems more logical to assume that people feel that way because, rightly or wrongly, UConn (1) has been in the cross-hairs of the NCAA on multiple occasions, including an investigation that got a significant amount of coverage in the media, (2) has had multiple high-profile players in trouble with the law, (3) was the only program of note to be banned from the NCAA tournament for academics (again, rightly or wrongly), and (4) had an abrasive head coach who never met a fight he didn't like and loved to thumb his nose at authority.

Edit: I'll add a #5) Calhoun liked kids with chips on their shoulders from tough backgrounds and a lot of people see a young black kid with braids or tattoos and assume they're a "thug," whatever that means. So that adds to the reputation too, Unfairly.

It seems like those things, together, might fuel the reputation more than "They're too good, they must be cheating." That sounds like something that a UConn fan with his head in the sand would say. But again that's just my opinion. [Insert something that kids say about Kermit the Frog.]

Are you seriously saying you have never heard someone say UConn runs a dirty program and cheats?

This cannot be what you are saying.

 

[Fishy]

I dont really agree with listing the infractions of former players here. I also don't really want to see this list of UConn problems. We had quite a list of scuffles with the law, laptops, brian fair shoplifting, knifeman, dyson/wiggins smoking, I don't think a former player who isn't successful being arrested for trying to buy a prostitute should negatively impact Cuse

Is it humanly possible for us to get through a nice thread making fun of some other program without some moralist turning the canons around?

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Are you seriously saying you have never heard someone say UConn runs a dirty program and cheats?

This cannot be what you are saying.

No. That's not remotely what I'm saying. Honestly, I'm not even sure how you would come to that conclusion. Try again.

Your boy is saying that the idea that UConn is a dirty program is something that people make up out of thin air because how can a program that's reasonably new on the scene be so good. Therefore they must be cheating. I don't hear that. Ever.

I'm saying that people say UConn is a dirty program because of all the reasons I listed in my prior email. Make more sense now?

 

[BUConn10]

No. That's not remotely what I'm saying. Honestly, I'm not even sure how you would come to that conclusion. Try again.

What would make someone think that? I dont know, maybe you saying, and I quote:

"If you want to say that it's your opinion that UConn had the reputation of a rogue program under Calhoun because of some unconscious sense that people had in their mind they were a Johnny-come-lately, then fine. But that's nothing more than your opinion. Like I said, I've been a college basketball fan for a long time, I know lots of fans of other programs, and I have literally never heard a single person express that idea."​