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I know this will be controversial, although it is a question not a statement. But the answer may put our APR into context for those who want to blame Calhoun for all the academic problems.

For those who attended UConn, how many Black professors did you have?

I had zero over six years -Undergrad/Masters. So if you assume I had 10 professors a year that would be 0/60 professors.
 
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I wish we could simply do this survey and once we get some results , then analyze if there might be a connection. Gather the data, then draw conclusions.
 
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Draw conclusions? Where's your control group?

In any case, it may be a better idea to just look through the UConn faculty, and maybe divide it into those who teach the subject matter that athletes tend to enroll in. I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to evaluate here, but I'd say an internet poll on the BY would not be a very accurate sample to approximate the population I think you're looking at.
 

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Too many implicit variables in your question to generate any meanful data.
 
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This is the dumbest question I have heard proposed and you are acting like it has significance
 
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3% of the faculty African-American at UConn.
6% of the students.
 

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Cheif, I believe I understand what you are attempting to point out but I have an easioer solution:

Go up to Warde Manuel, explain to him in detail the point that you are trying to prove and then ask him his opinion.
 

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The APR for the last 3 Semesters is great. This one will be good.

I have a whole theory some don't like: The issue wasn't handled well putting UConn at risk to fall under the APR requirements if there was a bad group in there.

You could feel the tension in the air in Spring 2010.
 
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Next time I talk to Warde, if its the right opportunity - I will mention it. It is amazing though that this question struck such a nerve I did not get one answer. Although the 3% thing sums it up - So that averages out to 1 Black Professor in 4 years for a student.
 
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Why does that question even matter?

In 2012, if you think having only 3% of your faculty as African American isn't a problem, we have an even bigger problem than I thought.
 
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In 2012, if you think having only 3% of your faculty as African American isn't a problem, we have an even bigger problem than I thought.

I think the bigger problem is only having 6% of students being African-American. That's the reason you don't have much diversity among faculty.
 
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I don't understand why race is an issue at all anymore. We are making it an issue by acknowledging things like this.
 
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Who cares if the teachers and students are white, black, or green? The University is going to accept the student and teacher with the best resume, as they should.
 
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Professor Otunnu was my advisor at Uconn, I also had Dr. Travis, and I'm sure there were others. Four degrees later, I still think Otunnu's the most intelligent man I ever met.
 

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To put this in context, I'd need to see evidence that the schools with the highest APR have black professors who have taught and had an impact on the lives of the school's athletes, and that these athletes continued their education further than those who attended schools with a lower APR, and fewer black professors.



I know this will be controversial, although it is a question not a statement. But the answer may put our APR into context for those who want to blame Calhoun for all the academic problems.

For those who attended UConn, how many Black professors did you have?

I had zero over six years -Undergrad/Masters. So if you assume I had 10 professors a year that would be 0/60 professors.
 
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can someone explain whats going on here? are we saying that it is based on professors at the school that a student athlete decides to stay or go? since most of our basketball athletes are black, is it that black professors may have more of an influence on them? do professors give advice like that to them?? or am I just totally at a loss and made myself look like an idiot while trying to interpret. explain please. i just finished watching an episode of Lost and feel like this thread has a Lost type feel to it. Lol.
 

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So that averages out to 1 Black Professor in 4 years for a student.

Do you think it appropriate to control your statistical analysis by major area of study?
 

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I think the bigger problem is only having 6% of students being African-American. That's the reason you don't have much diversity among faculty.
I have to say, that that is some bizzare reasoning, right there....
 

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I know this will be controversial, although it is a question not a statement. But the answer may put our APR into context for those who want to blame Calhoun for all the academic problems.

For those who attended UConn, how many Black professors did you have?

I had zero over six years -Undergrad/Masters. So if you assume I had 10 professors a year that would be 0/60 professors.
This is stupid but I will answer anyway. I graduated in 1973 and my 60 years of beer drinking has dulled my memory enough but I do remember one African American professor who was THE MOST influential professor I had EVER. With one telephone call he got me an interview at the Yale School of Public Health, where I did my Masters eventually completing a PhD and having a career in Toxicology. For a first kid to ever attend college from a family of tradesmen to even consider sniffing the Yale campus was unthinkable. There was one person at UCONN who though enough of me to guide me. He was African American. I think your question is irrelevant.
 
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This is the dumbest Fecunditying question I have heard proposed and you are acting like it has significance

This dumb question has actually generated some very interesting answers about how Black professors (however few) have influenced Whites students. The reverse is true too. While I don't believe in quoto's, I do think some general proportionality is healthy - and having a Black teaching ratio half of what the Black student population ration is - presents a problem. These are the guys that are on the committees to solve the APR problem - and I think it would be good there too. Please note that Coach Calhoun has 4 Blacks on his coaching / Basketball Operations Staff - much higher than the school average percentage. Despite Alex's Dad's ill advised comments or tweets - Coach also is very respected in the African American community.
 
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In 2012, if you think having only 3% of your faculty as African American isn't a problem, we have an even bigger problem than I thought.
I think we have a big problem, as well, but I think that you and I have antipodal beliefs as to what the problem actually is.

Your belief appears to be: "Blacks make up 12.6% of the U.S. population, but only 3% of faculty at UConn, so we need to do something to get more black faculty hired." There is an implication that there is an underlying wrong that needs to be redressed.

The problem with your belief is that it irrationally impugns non-black people. Originally, it would have just been white people. But now that Chinese and Indians and Pakastanis and a host of other ethnic groups have been at least as successful as whites, and often even more successful than whites, I suppose it's essentially all non-black people that you are calling out as being responsible for UConn having too few, in your view, black professors.

You, and people who think like you, apparently believe that 40 years of affirmative action haven't been enough. 40 years of favoritism getting into schools and getting jobs and getting tax money for company ownership and so on haven't been enough. You want more. We need to "reach out" and "recruit" black professors, or some other such code that, boiled right down to its naked core, means, "discriminate against people based on the color of their skin or their heritage to exclude those who don't fit our criteria, which in this case, means "black.""

It's not reverse racism that you propose. It's bald-faced racism.

You base your ideology on current numbers - % population vs. % professorships. Should we do that for all groups? If so, we need to round up the Jews, because, I tell you plainly sir, I had many, many Jewish professors during my multiple degree stint at UConn, and they far exceed their paltry 3% population percent in professorial ranks. Should we round up a few of them and fire them? Or, were you thinking only the non-Jewish whites? Hmm? Males? Non-Jewish White Males? Are they the ones who should give up their spots to enact your race-preference plan?

Here are the most recent stats for you: Only half of black males graduate high school. Only 4% of college students are black males, notwithstanding the fact that they are heavily recruited and usually qualify for heavy tuition subsidization. Only a third of black men who begin college obtain their degrees.

Some quick and dirty math tells you that only 1 or 2% of all college graduate - undergraduates mind you - are black males.

Now how many of those then do the 4-6 years required to get a PhD? Even if we say that 1/3 do, which is ridiculous, it means that less than 1% of all folks getting PhDs are black males. But that's just PhD grads. Only a portion of them want to become professors. Figure, generously, 1/2 again, and you're now down below 1/2 of 1 percent of all applicants to professor positions are black males.

So in your world, what percent of professors should be black males? 6.25%? To match their population percent?

Fundamentally, your position is the worst kind of impossible idealism, because it presumes as its basis that the current miserable education performance among blacks is somehow everybody else's fault. Your explanation is based on a combination of structural racism and historical disadvantage.

Your explanation, sadly, ignores the obvious causes of the fact that only 3% of UConn professors are black, which, by the way, is a great exaggeration of what the percentage would be if professors were hired on qualifications alone, and not given a racist preference.

You explanation ignores that affirmative action has now been around for 40 years. It ignores that, despite 40 years of race based preferences for acceptance and hiring, blacks, as a group, are arguably worse off then they have been since slavery ended. It ignores that, like all people, black people make choices, as individuals, and as a culturally distinct group, and that it is the obvious consequence of those choices that bad endings result. You will not legislate, nor change through yet more welfare, the disastrous, dominant black culture, where promiscuity, avoidance of marriage and the family unit, heavy dependence on welfare, tolerance of violence, abuse of drugs, and outright disdain for being educated like whitey all conspire to ensure that, socioeconomically, blacks will not succeed as most define "to succeed."

In short, more money, more preferences, more institutionalized racist selection, more blame of others - these things will not result in there being more qualified black professors. It will result in exactly the opposite, just like it has done for the last 40 or so years - more racism and more handouts will lead to poorer results, as the welfare mentality that has been such a disaster for the black community in the United States is extended and broadened.

If blacks in America want a different result, then, instead of hanging their hats on the notion that it is others keeping them down, they should begin by examining the cause and effect of their own extremely poor decision making.
 
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Who cares if the teachers and students are white, black, or green? The University is going to accept the student and teacher with the best resume, as they should.

Resumes are all different. There is no standard resume. Schools care because people are much more complex than resumes or SAT scores.
 
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