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Did we watch the same first half? Hurley was terrible. Again.
A+ games for Hurley and Cole
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Yea I couldn’t believe that bs man.. gotta keep that thread around cause the takes in there are otherworldlyThis team will never take the next step with Hurley as Coach.
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He recovered though - so let's take that as a positive step. I wish he'd switch up faster but at least this game he didn't just stick with something that didn't work.
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There is a feeling in college basketball that coaches can draw up the perfect play. Coaches have, for ages, made it seem like they are special and no one else can do their job. That's ridiculous. A play is a play. Depends on what players you have on your roster. The coach can't make a player make layups or shots. the job is to get them into a position for their strengths to show. UConn scored 50 points in the paint and was 12 of 24 on layups. How is that even possible? What more is Hurley supposed to do? People act like there are secret plays out there and some master chess move that can be made. Players gotta play. Basketball, unlike football, is a player-driven game. In football, the coach matters incredibly on game day. basketball, less so. Baseball? You only need a manager to bring the lineup card out.
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For the fans that appreciate the progress made from 4 years ago, there should not be complaints with getting a road victory in the BE (against a team that was playing well recently), and beating the point spread by a wide margin.
For the fans that want perfection or close to that, there will always be complaints. I can understand that if we do want to beat the best teams we'll have to eliminate the mistakes from last night, and adjust. If adjustments can be made, then this team can be better.
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blah, blah, blah. blabbity blah, blah. in coach dan's first year in the conference, the dawgs have the best d in the league. the so-called great, vaunted, tough-as-nails, in ur face, old school, blah, blah, blah big east. turrible. lol. sooooo, which is it? is the league soft as a marshmellow where a new program can just waltz in and dominate the league on d? or is it that dan is a sharpie and knows that d wins championships? cf, chiefs, kansas city, who really didn't do well after repeatedly getting punched in the head. and the body. and in the legs. and mebbe some other places, too.
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There is a sect on this board who believe any mistake made on the court is due to a coaching error. Not sure if that is based on ignorance, inability to understand the coach is not a puppet master, or the inability to put fault on a college athlete, but whatever is the reason is, they just sound foolish and have zero ability to see progress.
There was a post saying JC would never have lost a game in the way we lost the one in OT at home to Creighton. Imagine being that foolish and/or blind to believe that?
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this is a misleading stat (correlation =/= causation) similar to people pointing out that winning teams in the nfl run the ball more -- it's not because running more helps you win necessarily, it's because winning teams are using the running back at the end of the game to kill the clock.
the teams that have beaten uconn this year are small-ball teams that play guys like carlton off the floor (nova with robinson-earl at the 5, sju with champagnie at the 5) and that completely skews the percentages.
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LOLOL. Are you claiming that Carlton only plays in garbage time? Also, is it possible that the reason UConn lost to small ball teams is because UConn went small ball too instead of use players that gave the Huskies an advantage?
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nah, just giving an example of similarly misleading stat. maybe not the perfect comparison.
ultimately, i trust this coaching staff to put us in the best position to win w/r/t the lineup that is out on the floor. maybe that is where i differ from some other posters on the yard...
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The players were terrible in the first half, not Hurley or the coaching staff.
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Totally agree here. When watching the game it's incredibly frustrating sometimes, especially large chunks of the first half.
That said, people don't seem to have perspective. Every team—even our very best under JC—made mistakes, had droughts, etc. It's the end result that matters. And the process. For the players AND the coaching staff. They're getting there. Patience and perspective matter.
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I think many here are stuck on the "Carlton is no good" ... which is funny immediately after a game (Georgetown) where we saw why he gives quality minutes. THE GAME has evolved ... which is why he becomes a DNP or few minutes; he cannot play a athletic guy away from the paint. But neither would Jake V. He played a role last night; he was fine. His D (and size) was at least equal to Q the Georgetown C. We could not play Sanogo or Whaley to make 40 minutes. Carlton could play a big role against some tournament teams based on matchups.
Last night was about Cole playing a solid QB for crucial minutes when we needed him. Solid workmanlike game from Martin, Whaley, Sanogo. Gaffney.
Last night was about Cole playing a solid QB for crucial minutes when we needed him. Solid workmanlike game from Martin, Whaley, Sanogo. Gaffney.
Yes, he's a serviceable 5. He can't be the focal point of an offense (we saw that beginning of last year), but he does the yeoman work fairly well (his rebounding > his offense > his defense).
But we have 2 other good to serviceable 5s, though. One better on defense and the other better on offense. The issue comes when people go "Well we have these 3 pretty good (but not really good) bigs and our bench wings kinda stink, why don't we just play 2 at once? Let one play the 4? Really pound the opponent."
And it can work against some teams. Teams that don't space us out when we're on defense. Teams that really let us pound the glass.
But it has not been working. Here's the last 30 days (last 7 games) of any combination of 2 of Whaley, Sanogo, and Carlton vs. every other lineup and the overall average. On is with 2 bigs, off is any lineup without 2 of the bigs, and baseline is overall average.
We shoot much worse at the rim with 2 bigs. And much worse in the midrange with 2 bigs. And we turn it over more. And we take less bad midrange 2s and more valuable 3s with less than 2 bigs. It all paints the obvious picture: the paint gets clogged when we play 2 bigs.
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Compare that to Whaley alone vs. with another big.
I like the layout for this. What website?
There's a bit of a learning curve and the stats only go back a couple years. Also have to be careful of small sample sizes, obviously, especially with specific lineups.
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So that's who Q is!
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Carlton serves his role. the idea that 15 fouls is better than 10 only applies when the other two bigs get in foul trouble, and each time it has happened Carlton played so I’m not sure the point of the statement @Palatine.
people that don’t like the way hurley coaches probably never will because it seems they disagree with his philosophy. The hard hedge doesn’t seem to be going away anytime soon if ever. The timeouts are more debatable if he will change. Hurley coaches the kids hard and they improve under him. Even when I can’t stand watching like that stretch last night I still think he’s the coach for us and am happy we have him.
people that don’t like the way hurley coaches probably never will because it seems they disagree with his philosophy. The hard hedge doesn’t seem to be going away anytime soon if ever. The timeouts are more debatable if he will change. Hurley coaches the kids hard and they improve under him. Even when I can’t stand watching like that stretch last night I still think he’s the coach for us and am happy we have him.
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Even Hurley (in the post-game presser) said that the bigs were hedging too far.
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My comment was about the fouls. When has hurley not utilized the 15 fouls when he needed them?
the hard hedge might not have been done well but he ain’t scrapping it, that was my point
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Yes, he's a serviceable 5. He can't be the focal point of an offense (we saw that beginning of last year), but he does the yeoman work fairly well (his rebounding > his offense > his defense).
But we have 2 other good to serviceable 5s, though. One better on defense and the other better on offense. The issue comes when people go "Well we have these 3 pretty good (but not really good) bigs and our bench wings kinda stink, why don't we just play 2 at once? Let one play the 4? Really pound the opponent."
And it can work against some teams. Teams that don't space us out when we're on defense. Teams that really let us pound the glass.
But it has not been working. Here's the last 30 days (last 7 games) of any combination of 2 of Whaley, Sanogo, and Carlton vs. every other lineup and the overall average. On is with 2 bigs, off is any lineup without 2 of the bigs, and baseline is overall average.
We shoot much worse at the rim with 2 bigs. And much worse in the midrange with 2 bigs. And we turn it over more. And we take less bad midrange 2s and more valuable 3s with less than 2 bigs. It all paints the obvious picture: the paint gets clogged when we play 2 bigs.
So if you take away the best opponent that UConn beat (a game that had a lot of 2 big lineups), then the 2 big strategy doesn't work. Got it. Carlton has 2 DNP's in that stretch that you selected, so your sample size of 2 big lineups is small, and includes a freshman in most of them.
Did you really think that I wouldn't figure out what you had done here?
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Let's try one that is less cherry picked by the Carlton-hater @auror
A 2 big lineup is much better defensively and close to the same offensively as 1 or 0 bigs, with a significant exception. The smaller lineups give up a ton of free throws (likely to penetration) and also get killed on the boards. Giving up 33.4% offensive rebounding percentage is basically fatal for winning.
I want to thank Auror for finding the site that proves he is wrong.
LOL. I bet you think this song is about you.
The website has options for last 30 days, Jan/Feb, Nov/Dec, or the full season. I literally said in the post that it was the last 30 days. You really "figured out what I did". Of those options, I thought the last 30 days was the most relevant considering Bouk and Jackson were injured for large parts of December and January. And in general recent form with all players healthy is more important for decisions going forward than how we looked in November/December with a depleted roster.
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If you want to see what a train wreck of a lineup looks like, try Cole, Gaff and Adams. It sure felt like there was more than 50 possessions of this during the season, but maybe that is just the PTSD.
The interesting thing is that whether over the full season or more recent, the team is better when Whaley and Sanogo are each alone than in lineups with them and another big.
But over the full season the team has played better with Carlton alongside another big than just Carlton alone. I'm guessing that's selection bias, where we only play that Carlton+2nd big lineup when we have a clear advantage. But likely you have a differing opinion on that.
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