A call/play I’d love to see moved from basketball

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

There was a lot of discussion yesterday about the illegal screen on Sid and how it’s a “point of emphasis” this year to not turn into a defender when you are performing a dribble hand off. A play that drives me crazy every time I see it is when another player, typically the inbounder, acts as a form of an escort for the man bringing the ball up. They will go up the court on the hip of the defender basically using 45 feet of moving screens to get the ball passed halfcourt. They will do it with their hands up though so you know it’s not on purpose! Rules gurus: how is this play not a moving screen? Drives me crazy.

 

[husky429]

I think they just consider it incidental at this point. Might be the point of emphasis next year and we can complain about it then

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

I think they just consider it incidental at this point. Might be the point of emphasis next year and we can complain about it then

But there’s no way it’s incidental. Doesn’t help my angst that I feel like we never use this technique but most over teams in America do.

 

[Slasher]

There was a lot of discussion yesterday about the illegal screen on Sid and how it’s a “point of emphasis” this year to not turn into a defender when you are performing a dribble hand off. A play that drives me crazy every time I see it is when another player, typically the inbounder, acts as a form of an escort for the man bringing the ball up. They will go up the court on the hip of the defender basically using 45 feet of moving screens to get the ball passed halfcourt. They will do it with their hands up though so you know it’s not on purpose! Rules gurus: how is this play not a moving screen? Drives me crazy.

I agree 100%. Every time I see this I'm like that's a moving screen! But I've never seen it called.

 

[Robertelamin]

On a similar note, the intentional foul rule was always funny. Of course they never called it when it was most obvious at the end of games. At least they ditched the name/rule.

 

[AdamaNation]

Call flops like soccer does

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Call flops like soccer does

I think the NBA added a rule this rule that egregious flops are technicals. I watched 2-3 NBA games a week this year and haven’t seen it called.

 

[HuskyHawk]

There was a lot of discussion yesterday about the illegal screen on Sid and how it’s a “point of emphasis” this year to not turn into a defender when you are performing a dribble hand off. A play that drives me crazy every time I see it is when another player, typically the inbounder, acts as a form of an escort for the man bringing the ball up. They will go up the court on the hip of the defender basically using 45 feet of moving screens to get the ball passed halfcourt. They will do it with their hands up though so you know it’s not on purpose! Rules gurus: how is this play not a moving screen? Drives me crazy.

Because the guy is allowed to go down the court to get to the other end. Are you suggesting that he is required to stay under his own basket?

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Because the guy is allowed to go down the court to get to the other end. Are you suggesting that he is required to stay under his own basket?

I’m suggesting he doesn’t have to continually make contact with the defense as he does it

 

[HuskyHawk]

I’m suggesting he doesn’t have to continually make contact with the defense as he does it

When I see this they always go in a straight line. The ball handler may move side to side behind them and use them as a screener. If that player going up the court deviates and moves laterally into a defender, that's a moving screen and a foul.

 

[selles]

There was a lot of discussion yesterday about the illegal screen on Sid and how it’s a “point of emphasis” this year to not turn into a defender when you are performing a dribble hand off. A play that drives me crazy every time I see it is when another player, typically the inbounder, acts as a form of an escort for the man bringing the ball up. They will go up the court on the hip of the defender basically using 45 feet of moving screens to get the ball passed halfcourt. They will do it with their hands up though so you know it’s not on purpose! Rules gurus: how is this play not a moving screen? Drives me crazy.

I call that "The Pitt" and it has always driven me insane.

 

[RichZ]

Drives me nuts when there's a defender doing the token pressure thing, backpedaling 8 feet in front of the dribbler and a big steps in an sets a hard screen on him just before half court. It serves no purpose.

In 3 years, I don't think Kemba ever ran backwards into that screen, and I always marveled at his apparently otherworldly peripheral vision. But when you realize how good his peripheral vision is, it explains a lot about his game.

 

[CTBasketball]

Call flops like soccer does

I think Kemba Walker and Shabazz Napier led the NCAA in flops/sold calls from 2009-2014.

 

[the Q]

I think the NBA added a rule this rule that egregious flops are technicals. I watched 2-3 NBA games a week this year and haven’t seen it called.

Did they change it? It used to be a fine, but this would explain why manu retired.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

I wouldn’t mind if they changed the rules for free throws for people taking the three point shot.

If there is contact from the defender clearly in the act of shooting and the ball hasn’t been released and then it’s three shots.

If Shooter has already released the ball and the defender makes icontact with shooters body or arm then it’s only two shots

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Did they change it? It used to be a fine, but this would explain why manu retired.

I think starting around 2012 if you got caught repeatedly doing it it was a fine. Now it’s a tech

 

[the Q]

I think starting around 2012 if you got caught repeatedly doing it it was a fine. Now it’s a tech

That should’ve happened a decade before that.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

I wouldn’t mind if they changed the rules for free throws for people taking the three point shot.

If there is contact from the defender clearly in the act of shooting and the ball hasn’t been released and then it’s three shots.

If Shooter has already released the ball and the defender makes icontact with shooters body or arm then it’s only two shots

The rule now is that the shot isn’t complete until the shooter lands which is incredibly silly from a basketball standpoint but makes sense when you consider player safety.

 

[Palatine]

There was a lot of discussion yesterday about the illegal screen on Sid and how it’s a “point of emphasis” this year to not turn into a defender when you are performing a dribble hand off. A play that drives me crazy every time I see it is when another player, typically the inbounder, acts as a form of an escort for the man bringing the ball up. They will go up the court on the hip of the defender basically using 45 feet of moving screens to get the ball passed halfcourt. They will do it with their hands up though so you know it’s not on purpose! Rules gurus: how is this play not a moving screen? Drives me crazy.

It's not a screen, the escort is entitled to his space on the court as long as he doesn't illegally block the defender. It you enforced that, every offensive player would be constantly fouling on every play.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

I tried look up a video on YouTube to post of this but when I searched escort and basketball I got a bunch of Louisville videos.

 

[krinklecut]

This is dumb. Offense needs to move up court and has the right of way in the full court to get to half court. Moving screen is part of an offensive set that starts in the half court.

 

[gtcam]

When I see this they always go in a straight line. The ball handler may move side to side behind them and use them as a screener. If that player going up the court deviates and moves laterally into a defender, that's a moving screen and a foul.

Because the guy is allowed to go down the court to get to the other end. Are you suggesting that he is required to stay under his own basket?

You know what he means
Typically a big is the one who jogs slowly up the court while the dribbler uses the big as a shield
of course if the shield makes contact with the defender trying to get at the dribbler then it should be a callable moving screen - and many times there is contact
This is a tactic that I remember Duke started to use a lot with C. Laetner or Gene Banks and it became popular - UConn rarely used/uses it but some teams do it on a continual basis - if I recollect - Lefty Driesel started it with McMillan and Roy in the early 70s
It bothers me because it takes the ability to pick up 3/4 court pressure tactics away and in reality it is a moving screen because that is exactly what the big is doing - screening the defender away from the ball handler (but not in current basketball rules)
It is a planned tactic in most all cases - most coaches don't really wants the big walking or jogging down to the offensive end

 

[CL82]

If the defensive player just stopped and set his feet wouldn't the big and/or the guard have to walk around him? I never understood why that tactic was so successful in frustrating pressure.

 

[HuskyHawk]

If the defensive player just stopped and set his feet wouldn't the big and/or the guard have to walk around him? I never understood, why that tactic was so successful in frustrating pressure.

Yes. As @gtcam says we all know why it is being done, but it's hard to rule that a player cannot move from the defensive to offensive end.

 

[the Q]

Yes. As @gtcam says we all know why it is being done, but it's hard to rule that a player cannot move from the defensive to offensive end.

You can’t run a defender over to do it.