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CodyJ. said:
alright alright. im was just trying to prove a point and do some fun math with it. Yes, i didnt take into consideration almost everything that has to do with physics. I didnt make assumptions.

The point is still made, as far as a 166lb back going up the middle vs. a 216lb back going up the middle at the same speed. it doestn take a genius to figure this one out.
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My point still stands too. We're talking about a difference of inches. That matters on 3rd and 1, 4th and 1, which is why they use Hyppolite for short yardage. It's not a major consideration on plays where you're trying to pick up bigger yardage.
 
UCername said:
Deleone > Newton, it's science
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FfldCntyFan said:
The board's beginning to get its sense of humor back!

I see this as a good thing.
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I was trying to figure out a mama joke about a 50 pound bag of sand but i came up empty
 
mattp said:
I was trying to figure out a mama joke about a 50 pound bag of sand but i came up empty
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Tread carefully there. Folks are on edge this week and Mama jokes have had a way of setting some tempers afire...;)
 
mattp said:
I was trying to figure out a mama joke about a 50 pound bag of sand but i came up empty
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That would be tough but on another note within this thread, Nate Newton was about the equivalent of nearly eight of those sand bags.
 
CodyJ. said:
50 lbs isnt a huge amount of weight. Most of us can pick up a 50lb bag of sand. Now throw that bag of sand at somebody as hard as you can. It's taveling at about 5mph. bet it'll move ya. Would a 5olb bag of sand traveling at 5mph move a 300lb DL?
Now im going to get all Engineer on you:
Martin Hyppolite -
Mass=216lbs 40 yard dash = 4.45seconds Intial acceleration (1st 10 yards)= 6.07yds/s^2
F=ma---> 537Newtons of Force

Lyle McCombs-
Mass=166lbs 40 yard dash = 4.46seconds Intial acceleration (1st 10 yards)= 6.05yds/s^2
F=ma---> 413Newtons of Force

The difference is 124Newtons of force.
Now back calculating---> 124N = 50lbs @ 12.6mph.
If I threw a 50lb bag of sand at 12.6mph at you, would it move you? Would it move a 300lb DL?
Better yet, take that extra 124Newtons away, now you have Lyle McCombs inbetween the tackles. He's not going anywhere. Not falling forward. Not anything.

Interesting is that they both have the same initial acceleration and same 40 time. both can get to the corner at the same speed. BUT, if you KNOW there is going to be contact(up the middle) you absoluetly need to have more force moving forward. It's in the math.
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Watching that run by Hyppolite I felt that LM would not have made it to the endzone.Whether it is a longer stride length or a bit better getaway speed I think LM would have been cutoff before getting there. There have beeen times this year where someone getting up to top speed or making the right cut would have given us some much bigger runs.Now LM has scored by making some great cuts in the hole near the goaline and making people miss. Point is there are advantages that both bring, and most likely some on the bench also but our coaching staff refuses to use all it's weapons. Sometimes they use the backups so little that all they do is telegraph what they are going to do when the sub goes in. I'm really starting to not like these guys.
 
Never mind the 50 lbs of sand, how about an oz. of comman sense as from a quote from Hyppolite:

“I feel like I can be an addition to the backfield. You see most teams have multiple backs and that one back stays more fresh instead of getting beat up, give him an opportunity to break runs instead of being too tired. I definitely feel like if I can come in and help carry the load. Lyle [McCombs] could play even better and we could have a quicker, faster running game.”

Gee, so a 20 year old kid gets it but not the offensive coordinator. My thinking is, if you do something no one else does and it works worse than 110 out of 120 teams then you might well consider your way ain't the way to go. 29 carries and 3 catches = 331 carries and 36 catches for a 12 game year which is quite a load. As an example, Montee Bell last year carried the ball 307 times in 14 games. So needing to ride LM like this against Buffalo is not a good sign.
 
This discussion is truly amazing. Why? Because a clear majority of the posters who are totally convinced that Hyppolite needs to play more for McCombs were just as totally convinced five days ago that Hyppolite needed to be pushed down the depth chart so we could see the freshmen. And it doesn't appear to occur to anyone that maybe, just maybe, the coaches were playing him ahead of Delorenzo and Williams because they saw in practice that Hyppolite was closer to being ready to make a positive contribution.

People really don't have enough shame any more.
 
McCombs has unreal lower body strength (better tha Hyppolite) and excellent speed. If he was operating in space he'd be a lot more effective, but he has been misused in a system who's O Line hasn't created the creases for him to run through and thus the short gains and total stuffs. Frankly, with this O line, these straight ahead plays would be just as unproductive with Hyppolite. The answer isn't simply Hyppolite, it's play action and misdirection to stop these 8 man fronts. Until we do that all of this Newtonian Calculus is meaningless.
 
Hey If Tampa can win a Super Bowl with warrick Dunn I don't see how Lyle mccombs can't be successful at uconn. Both are good blockers and alway run falling forward and protect the ball.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
First, those are fabricated 40 times. Second, nice little analysis....but can the kids play football? There's a reason the fastest Olympic sprinters don't play in the NFL.
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They make more money not getting hit?
 
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businesslawyer said:
This discussion is truly amazing. Why? Because a clear majority of the posters who are totally convinced that Hyppolite needs to play more for McCombs were just as totally convinced five days ago that Hyppolite needed to be pushed down the depth chart so we could see the freshmen. And it doesn't appear to occur to anyone that maybe, just maybe, the coaches were playing him ahead of Delorenzo and Williams because they saw in practice that Hyppolite was closer to being ready to make a positive contribution.

People really don't have enough shame any more.
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People wanted Hypolite pushed down for Joe Williams? I'm not saying they didn't, but I don't recall that at all. I just remember people wanting another back to get carries. By the way, how do you know that Williams isn't better?
 
CodyJ. said:
it doesnt. it just puts proof to the theory that McCombs between the tackles wont work well
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I joined the thread extremely late, so forgive me if this has been addressed, but you've proven nothing.

Allow me to get all scientific on you, one scientist to another. You are making an assumption that both running backs are running into a player in exactly the same fashion, and that the only difference is their weights. You and I (and everyone else, I presume) know that the premise is almost never true. The running back position is predicated on vision and actually AVOIDING the hit. Let's keep in mind that you did not calculate the force in Newtons of the opposing linebacker, which would in almost all cases be greater than either running back, resulting in both running backs going backwards irrespective of the difference between the two running backs (since the defensive players will outweigh Hyppolite by about 20 lbs.)!! (Not to mention, how many running backs enter the first hole at top speed?)

In summation, you and I both know that this is not a scientific proof of anything other than the following statement: if the two running backs hit an opposing player in exactly the same manner at exactly the same speed, Hyppolite has an advantage. That is of course true, but that did not require much mathematics...
 
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UConnDan97 said:
I joined the thread extremely late, so forgive me if this has been addressed, but you've proven nothing.

Allow me to get all scientific on you, one scientist to another. You are making an assumption that both running backs are running into a player in exactly the same fashion, and that the only difference is their weights. You and I (and everyone else, I presume) know that the premise is almost never true. The running back position is predicated on vision and actually AVOIDING the hit. Let's keep in mind that you did not calculate the force in Newtons of the opposing linebacker, which would in almost all cases be greater than either running back, resulting in both running backs going backwards irrespective of the difference between the two running backs (since the defensive players will outweigh Hyppolite by about 20 lbs.)!! (Not to mention, how many running backs enter the first hole at top speed?)

In summation, you and I both know that this is not a scientific proof of anything other than the following statement: if the two running backs hit an opposing player in exactly the same manner at exactly the same speed, Hyppolite has an advantage. That is of course true, but that did not require much mathematics...
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Incorrect, running backs will be going at a much greater speed than the LB's and therefore the force, depending on the angle of LB tackle or direction and speed of his motion get over run by a heavier back more so than a lighter back. Include the fact that few tackles are head on but many shoulder/arm tackles the added weight will drive through some/many less than perfect angle tackles.

LM is often tackled one on one by CB and S and dropped without any forward progress, extra weight would help here.
 
Husky68 said:
Incorrect, running backs will be going at a much greater speed than the LB's and therefore the force, depending on the angle of LB tackle or direction and speed of his motion get over run by a heavier back more so than a lighter back. Include the fact that few tackles are head on but many shoulder/arm tackles the added weight will drive through some/many less than perfect angle tackles.

LM is often tackled one on one by CB and S and dropped without any forward progress, extra weight would help here.
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No, no, no, no....no. You are bringing into the equation the words "direction" and "angle". Again, as I've previously stated, that is not part of the equation that Cody presented. He is talking solely about a head-to-head hit. He has not accounted for glancing blows or even for either running back's ability to avoid a hit. In fact, assuming the same vision and same instincts, McCombs would have the advantage at only being hit by a glancing blow, as he is smaller.

And Cody also assumed that the running back would be achieving full speed (or close to it) at around 13mph. One cannot assume that without assuming it on the other side of the ball, as both the running back and the linebacker would have an equidistant approach to the point of contact. As far as proofs go, this isn't one. Period. (not trying to call Cody out, but it is what it is, and I'm sure as an engineer that he understands what I'm saying)

Now if we want to start talking about real football, where we can try to decide who has better vision to the holes, who has better lateral mobility, a better stiff-arm, a better understanding of the blocking schemes, etc., that's fine. But in terms of science, this ain't it...
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
Holy fack. I remember when this board was a football discussion.
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Yeah, I know. Apologies. I knew that my post was going to take it to a weird place...
 
In all seriousness, I would like to get it back to a football discussion. I would love to compare and contrast the two players' abilities to hit the hole, read the hole, and their lateral movement capabilities. To be fair, I just haven't seen enough of Hyppolite to even comment intelligently on his capabilities...
 
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VAHuskyFan said:
"Hey George, you shouldn't run McCombs up the middle. The Newtons are unfavorable, man. THE NEWTONS ARE UNFAVORABLE!"

Deleone: . . .

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I wish I could like this 1000 times.
 
Love the post...Ironic the longest run this year is the 50 yarder by Hipp. That on a toss to the out side McCoombs should be running. Using Griff to block in the backfield to block on some plays?????????
Max averaged 5.5 vs UMASS on four carries and has played in four games and not touched the ball since.

PP has me confused as I am sure he does a lot of his players......
 
VAHuskyFan said:
"Hey George, you shouldn't run McCombs up the middle. The Newtons are unfavorable, man. THE NEWTONS ARE UNFAVORABLE!"

Deleone: . . .

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There just aren't many posts funnier than this one, my friend!! Well done. I'm still laughing!
 
DeLeone: But the defense knows it doesn't make sense to run McCombs up the middle. So let's surprise them and do it!
 
Srqhusky said:
Hey If Tampa can win a Super Bowl with warrick Dunn I don't see how Lyle mccombs can't be successful at uconn. Both are good blockers and alway run falling forward and protect the ball.
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Actually, Michael Pittman and Mike Alstott were the backfield when they won the SB. Lots of Newtons there.
 
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