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10-11 seed? Barf. Can't really say I disagree though. Other AAC teams-(45) SMU and... no one.
 
USF lost to Georgia Southern.
 
Folks here have to remember that schools like Utah St. regularly grabbed 6 and 7 seeds over the years by putting up 24-6 records, and playing no one outside the conference. That is the definition of mid-major success. Sounds awful, I know, but if UConn beats Florida and Stanford, then manages to get through the conference with 2 or 3 losses, it could easily do much better than an 11 seed, especially if it wins the tourney in Hartford.

Really, I just looked at the last couple tourneys, and the 11 seed is befitting of the Horizon champ, like Belmont, or schools like that, right at th level of low majordom. Bucknell got an 11th seed by winning the Patriot tourney!!! For heaven's sake, a UConn team that wins the tourney vaults much higher in the seeding.
 
zls44 said:
USF lost to Georgia Southern.
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USF is easily the worst team in the conference, by a hair over East Carolina. Then comes UCF.

Houston is a hair above the horrible 3.

Temple is next with Tulane and Tulsa.

Cincy and Memphis are scuffling not to fall into that TTT bracket.

UConn and SMU vying at the top of the dregs.

BBall is almost the inverse of AAC basketball.
 
upstater said:
Folks here have to remember that schools like Utah St. regularly grabbed 6 and 7 seeds over the years by putting up 24-6 records, and playing no one outside the conference.
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I'm just going by memory here but I don't believe Utah state has ever been a single digit seed and was left out of the tourney with a 25-3 record and a top 25 ranking few years ago. They may not be your best example.
 
CAHUSKY said:
I'm just going by memory here but I don't believe Utah state has ever been a single digit seed and was left out of the tourney with a 27-3 record a few years ago. They may not be your best example.
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No, they made the tourney at 30-3 in 2010-11. However they have not once been seeded higher than 10th, and that was back in the 1980s.
 
CAHUSKY said:
I'm just going by memory here but I don't believe Utah state has ever been a single digit seed and was left out of the tourney with a 25-3 record and a top 25 ranking few years ago. They may not be your best example.
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You have a good memory--because that happened over a decade ago in 2003.

But, just look at recent years. You'll see 11 seeds going to Bucknell, Middle Tennessee, St Mary's, Belmont (5 or 6 losses). That's Patriot, Sunbelt, West Coast and Ohio Valley.

The real eye-popper is in 2012. Colorado St. out of the MWC got that 11 seed even without winning their weak conference. Their record? 20-11. OOC games? Duke, Stanford (11 losses, NIT bound), Colorado (12 losses). They beat Colorado and lost the other two.

The 11 seed is really the last seed before the low-major tourney winners get seeded.

This is why I think the AAC conference champ gets the 8th or 9th seed just like Creighton in 2013. Autobid: 27-7 out of the Mizz Valley.

In the 3 years I looked at, there was only one argument against my position on this, and that's what happened to Oregon in 2013. They won the conference tourney, and with a 22-8 record, they ended up a 12th seed somehow. Wins over UNLV and Nebraska OOC, a loss to Cincy. Pac12 wins over ranked Arizona and UCLA.

So, if UConn wins the tourney and ends at the 11th or 12th seed, then Oregon is the precedent. There is no other. All other champs of conferences like Atlantic10 or Mizzou Valley or any of the P5s get higher seeds with 7 or 8 losses.

27-6 New Mexico out of MWC in 2012: 6th seed
26-8 Memphis out of CUSA in 2012: 8th seed
27-5 St. Mary's out of WCC in 2012: 7th seed
Creighton in 2012: 8th seed.
23-9 Butler out of Horizon in 2011: 8th seed
27-6 Old Dominion out of Colonial in 2011: 9th seed.

And then this:24-9 Gonzaga out of WCC as 11 seed in 2011.

So, with 8 or 9 losses, you could end up like Gonzaga and Oregon at 11.

But with 6-7 losses, you're likely a 7-9 seed. Look at Memphis with 8 losses in 2012. OOC wins over Miami and Tennessee, losses to Murray St., UCF, Southern Miss., UTEP.
 
Stairmaster said:
No, they made the tourney at 30-3 in 2010-11. However they have not once been seeded higher than 10th, and that was back in the 1980s.
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They were left out at 25-3 in 2004
 
zls44 said:
USF lost to Georgia Southern.
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Which has nothing to do with us losing to Yale, but I get it blame the conference for everything.

BTW does the conference get partial credit for our championship last year? Were we well rested when it counted? Did the cupcake conference offer Ollie more room for experimentation during the season?

Would being in the Big East mean we would not be matched up with Nova in the second round which would mean we get shipped out west, no MSG, no tournament run?
 
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CallMeBruce said:
I'd much rather be an 11-seed than an 8- or 9-seed.
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Agree - the chances we are dealt a garbage 2-seed in the 2nd round again, like Villanova, is like less than 25%. I like the odds of playing the 6 seed, then the 3.
 
CTBasketball said:
Agree - the chances we are dealt a garbage 2-seed in the 2nd round again, like Villanova, is like less than 25%. I like the odds of playing the 6 seed, then the 3.
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8/9-seed gets a #1 in the second round. Those games can be won, but not often.
 
Didn't see them in either poll today, so not in top 43. Different season now. Pass the popcorn.
 
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