3 refs in trouble

[huskyharry]

There won't be a lot of refs left if those from tonight and those from the UConn-MD game are excluded!
Are there any competent, unbiased refs available?

 

[UConnCat]

Still don't understand why KM didn't get T'd up big time after her total meltdown.

Walz was hilarious in the post game presser. He was T'd up for being out of the coach's box which is apparently more egregious than throwing a tantrum and ripping (or nearly ripping) your jacket off.

 

[cohenzone]

She's wrong. Shimmel was jawing at Griner and when Sims jawed back (it looked like she said very little but the double T was to regain control of the game. Jeff deserved his T. You could say Mulkey could have got one for both the tantrum and the extended timeout she didn't have. Look at the replay the charge was correct - player on D feet planted, knocked down. The call on Griner was correct remember Mulkey told the players to go after her. Kim made a HUGE error in not putting Britney all the way back with a lead.

Actually, Griner, not a favorite of mine, was pretty much mauled for a lot of the game. That is what set her off. The calls you talked about were okay, it's arbitrariness by the officials that drives coaches nuts. As for the T on Walz, sorry, but with a minute left in a game like that a good official cuts everyone a lot of slack unless it is an extreme situation. A bush league call.

Schimmel can't restrain herself. For a senior her leadership sucked. Yeah, she should be excited, but the trash stuff is all about ego, not about team. She wound up hurting her team.

 

[t-gal]

U Mad, Bro?

 

[Vowelguy]

Actually, Griner, not a favorite of mine, was pretty much mauled for a lot of the game. That is what set her off. The calls you talked about were okay, it's arbitrariness by the officials that drives coaches nuts. As for the T on Walz, sorry, but with a minute left in a game like that a good official cuts everyone a lot of slack unless it is an extreme situation.

Pretty sure there were 2+ mins left.

 

[cohenzone]

Pretty sure there were 2+ mins left.

1:43. The point is a good ref doesn't T up a coach with little time left in a major game. Unlike Geno who purposely wanted a T, do you really think Butch went out of his mind and wanted a T? A quality ref walks to the other side of the court.

 

[PacoSwede]

Call that disgusted me the most was when Sims and a Lullvil kid, maybe smith, were both going for a free ball. That kind of call always drives me nutz, but in this case it additionally was near the end of an incredible NCAA tourney game! The result, Sims cans two free throws, and it the foul was on smith, then it contribued to her gettingr disqualified. I always thought that if a ball is bouncing around, it's fair game for anyone. Didn't seem to me that Sims was impaired on that play any more the the Lul kid.

That BTW, also might have been what prompted a reaction from Walz that got him a T -- i don't remember. Horrid call when a no-call was fair way to go, and an prime example of refs deterniming the outcome of a game. (I know that it didn't matter in the end, but that's hindsight.

 

[easttexastrash]

There were two times L'ville should have been T'd up: when the player swiped at Griner and when Schimmel got in Griner's face. Neither of those are being discussed for some reason.

Say what you want about Griner but she showed great restraint tonight.

 

[PacoSwede]

There were two times L'ville should have been T'd up: when the player swiped at Griner and when Schimmel got in Griner's face. Neither of those are being discussed for some reason.

Say what you want about Griner but she showed great restraint tonight.

I don't think you can make a judgment about the "swipe" considering the camera angle. I t looked to me that the "swing" might have been just a matter of the player trying to maintain balance and might have come nowhere near Griner. Inconclusive evidence for a TV viewer, I think, but the fact that no one on the floor or in the arena had a huge reaction is suggestive that the camera saw it wrong.

 

[ThisJustIn]

Not this one?

 

[PacoSwede]

No that's not the one I was thinking of. The one I was referring to came AFTER some rebounding action and the ball was long out of Brittney's hands. Was this one called or not?

 

[bruinbball]

ETT, agreed on the Schimmel T. She should have gotten one. There were many times a foul could have been called but weren't againt the Louisville players guarding Griner, but that tone should have been set within the first 5 minutes and it wasn't. Credit Walz for his great plan, and with cooperation of the officials, it worked to perfection. I will say that I thought the officials were equally bad on both sides. There were many times the Baylor guards were impeding the Louisville guards and it was not called either. I agree with Mulkey that if these refs do another game, it hurts the integrity of the game.

 

[Icebear]

I can't believe folks still write this crap.

If the refs were trying to let Baylor win, why did they call a huge offensive foul at the end?

These notions of a conspiracy are inane and ludicrous.

It is hyperbole. No one means it seriously they write to express a degree of disgust that cannot be expressed otherwise.

 

[meyers7]

Did Baylor win? No. Conspiracy case closed.

Everything you mentioned was just bad refereeing.

There was a conspiracy, they were just such incompetent refs, they even blew that.

 

[Vowelguy]

It is hyperbole. No one means it seriously they write to express a degree of disgust that cannot be expressed otherwise.

Unless you are a mind reader, I would suggest you not claim to know what everyone else really thinks.

 

[Bestiarius]

ETT, agreed on the Schimmel T. She should have gotten one. There were many times a foul could have been called but weren't againt the Louisville players guarding Griner, but that tone should have been set within the first 5 minutes and it wasn't. Credit Walz for his great plan, and with cooperation of the officials, it worked to perfection. I will say that I thought the officials were equally bad on both sides. There were many times the Baylor guards were impeding the Louisville guards and it was not called either. I agree with Mulkey that if these refs do another game, it hurts the integrity of the game.

If the refs called all of what were major fouls, there wouldn't be enough players left to finish the game. If the key players on both teams had five fouls by halftime, imagine the hue & cry from we fans for the refs to "let 'em play." I do agree L'ville's mugging strategy was incredibly obvious. The refs should have stopped the game and told Walz to cut it out or else...

 

[msf22b]

Say what you want about Griner but she showed great restraint tonight
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So much so, that she went passive and perhaps even stopped competeing for a while.

 

[cohenzone]

If the refs called all of what were major fouls, there wouldn't be enough players left to finish the game. If the key players on both teams had five fouls by halftime, imagine the hue & cry from we fans for the refs to "let 'em play." I do agree L'ville's mugging strategy was incredibly obvious. The refs should have stopped the game and told Walz to cut it out or else...

Totally disagree. The issue is exactly the same as the men's game. If it's clear from the start that the grabbing and pushing is going to be called every time, the players will stop grabbing and pushing or will learn to only go to a point that the refs are allowing. The coaches will catch on very quickly. The refs have no business telling a coach to stop doing anything that is not a clear intent to harm.

 

[sarals24]

I said this in another thread, but Baylor didn't respond. Uconn responded when Maryland was mugging them the other day. They responded by building a 20-point lead.

 

[Vowelguy]

Walz was hilarious in the post game presser. He was T'd up for being out of the coach's box which is apparently more egregious than throwing a tantrum and ripping (or nearly ripping) your jacket off.

I believe his T was for sitting on the scorer's table.

 

[Icebear]

Unless you are a mind reader, I would suggest you not claim to know what everyone else really thinks.

The Like I got from him suggests I was correct.

 

[DobbsRover2]

Before the season there were a number of posters here on BY who belittled Walz and Louisville's record over the last few years despite their NC appearance in 2009 and the fact that they did reasonably well last year after losing their top two post players and leaving Schimmel as the sole option in crunch times of tough games. The vitriol against the Cardinals is still flowing from the same sources, who are also probably set to write them off as underachievers if they don't get past the Vols.

The fouling ploy never works unless you hit the baskets to compensate for the FTs, and at 64% from the 3s, the Cardinals took care of that. After holding opponents to less than 30% on 3's during the season and averaging almost 7 blocks, the Bears got battered from outside and had 3 blocks. Simply put, the Cardinals and Walz got it done, and I'd love a nickel for every postgame discussion on the BY over the last few years that centers on mugging behavior.

 

[sparky]

Poor officiating. Griner was getting mugged all night and the ref's allowed it to happen. Mulkey deserved the T for her antics. The defender on the charge had position, BUT she leaned into the offensive player, thus creating a Block call. In any event the ref's missed the travel just before, so the bottom line is the ref's sucked, Griner is out, Uconn is in the conversation and hopefully we have an opportunity to shut the door of Skylar. Congrats top the Ville they took what the ref's gave and ran with it.

 

[CTFIRERETIRED]

After the nocall against UC, and the nonsense in the Baylor-Louisville game, isn't it about time that the NCAA do something about the horrid officiating? I mean how many more years do we have to go through this? This is is despicable.

 

[Shenandoah]

I know that in baseball, a lot of times, a player or coach will get tossed not for what they did, but for what they said. I've seen them get umpires face hollering back and forth, then walk away, and say the "magic word", BOOM...gone! Now, I don't know if that is the case with Jeff Walz' T yesterday, but there are certain words that will get you T'd up in basketball, or tossed in baseball...