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Whoa, wow, WTF?

As the article states:
"Kieger has a record of 73-105 at Penn State. The Nittany Lions got off to an 8-0 start this season but things went downhill quickly from there, with a 2-19 record from December on."

Kieger signed an extension in April 2022. The PSU press release didn't get into how long it was for, but I've got to think it has another year or two. The only -- and I mean, only -- reason for keeping her is that the administration didn't want to eat a contract. She has not gotten the Nittany Lions into the NCAA's once in her tenure. Heck, they didn't even get to play in the B1G tourney this week.

Maybe they had to balance out the money they paid the Volleyball coach, who just won the NCAA's, by keeping a coach who just can't get it right here.
 
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That's just not it. Not saying that Neighbors is blameless (he definitely isn't), but the players who left did so for a variety of reasons. Most didn't hate playing for Neighbors - one did. Most of them like him.

Scott left because of locker room issues. Didn't like the fact that the upper classmen - especially Spencer, who was a very polarizing figure in the locker room -- treated her. A bit immature, a bit prima donna/me first, but didn't need to stand for some of the jealous, mean girl treatment she got.

Poffenbarger left for a few reasons, I think. She wanted to be nearer home, she didn't like getting yelled at consistently by her position coach, and she didn't want to play another year with Spencer. It wasn't just Scott who didn't like her.

Spencer left for money, plain and simple. She said so.

Dauda left because she didn't want to be the only good player left on the roster, and for better money (anything, literally, was better than what Arkansas was able to offer players last year). She barely gets scrub minutes at SC, which is really unfortunate.

Wolfenbarger - that's a different story. Lots of blame to go around here. She (and her family) did have beef with Neighbors, who they thought wasn't developing her to be a guard well enough. She also had some outside basketball things going on that interfered with her focus. A change of scene was probably what she needed. Though ... playing for Mulkey doesn't seem to have really upped her game all that much. At least she has accepted that she's better suited to play closer to the basket, which she would never have done at Arkansas.

Neighbors is responsible for the culture in the program, and he put too much faith in his seniors to keep things under control, imo. It blew up last year. And the crap recruiting the past two years just left the squad a shell of an SEC team.

Neighbors hasn't had any money to recruit since Scott's class signed. Which is why this year you had foreign kids and JUCOs mostly, and next year is two foreign kids and one pretty decent US player - and why he missed out on the top US kids he was going after (esp Snead). He claims that the Rev Share plan will allow them to be "uber aggressive" in the portal this offseason. We'll see.
It was obvious even to an amateur outsider like myself that something unusual went very wrong with that team after SEC play started last season. There was talent enough to compete with most of the SEC if not the top-tier teams. I dug around a few months ago and found a video that explores the situation, and it seems to agree with most of what you are saying.

 
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Barnes’ seat in Arizona has to at least be a little warm, right? I mean, a loss in the first round of the B12 tourney isn’t great.

They’re 13-0 against Q4 teams, 3-2 in Q3. A combined 3-11 in Q1-2. Their best win was against WVU who is 11 in NET.

If they don’t make it into the NCAA tourney this season …
 
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So--Kieger gets to stay despite not making the NCAA Tournament ONCE in six seasons (and despite the serious allegations against her) while Johnnie Harris is let go because the Auburn AD has an axe to grind???????????
Harris didn’t perform well overall so the results weren’t great but I also suspect there isn’t much love there between she and Cohen. Just a hunch.
 
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First, Creme does not determine who makes the NCAA Tournament. I don't care what that man says.

Second, finishing in the bottom half of the conference in your third season is not an achievement
--especially when the number of conference wins keeps going in the opposite direction. This man has 24 SEC regular season wins in THREE seasons. Coach Yo, who many here believe can't coach in the SEC and is supposedly on the hot seat, has 22 SEC regular season wins the last TWO seasons.

Third, with how many transfers this man brings in year in and year out, I would certainly hope that they'd be able to compete with at least the bottom of the SEC.

That's not the point. Miss. State is safely in the NCAA tournament this year; you gonna argue that they're not simply to disagree with Creme?

Bottom half in a 16-team conference which is the strongest in the country this season.

You seem to have an axe to grind with Purcell; that much is clear.
 

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That's not the point. Miss. State is safely in the NCAA tournament this year; you gonna argue that they're not simply to disagree with Creme?

Bottom half in a 16-team conference which is the strongest in the country this season.

You seem to have an axe to grind with Purcell; that much is clear.
(1) Bracket hasn't been revealed yet. Once it is, then we'll see if Mississippi State is "safely in the field".

(2) The Big Ten could also claim that.

(3) No axe to grind with Purcell. He's just not a good coach IMO. I'm glad to see that Coach Yo absolutely owns him.
 

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That's not the point. Miss. State is safely in the NCAA tournament this year; you gonna argue that they're not simply to disagree with Creme?

Bottom half in a 16-team conference which is the strongest in the country this season.

You seem to have an axe to grind with Purcell; that much is clear.
(1) Bracket hasn't been revealed yet. Once it is, then we'll see if Mississippi State is "safely in the field".

(2) The Big Ten could also claim that.

(3) No axe to grind with Purcell. He's just not a good coach IMO. I'm glad to see that Coach Yo absolutely owns him.
 

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(1) Bracket hasn't been revealed yet. Once it is, then we'll see if Mississippi State is "safely in the field".

(2) The Big Ten could also claim that.

(3) No axe to grind with Purcell. He's just not a good coach IMO. I'm glad to see that Coach Yo absolutely owns him.

No, they actually can't.


ConferenceRankNC RecNC WP
SEC1175-430.8028
Big Ten2168-320.8400


 
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I hear you but it sucks that it's happening. She's got big decisions to make during the off-season. I'll be a fan regardless where she ends up.
I'd love to see her at UCONN and I think she would be an awesome fit. She has a great mid-range game, she's a solid passer, she's a monster on the boards, she runs the floor hard and is one of the best defenders in the country. Could you imagine a front court of her her, Jana, and Sarah next year? With her ability shoot mid-range jumpers, she could play positions 3-4 and help stretch the defense. She also has the ability to drive to the basket as well.
 

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I'd love to see her at UCONN and I think she would be an awesome fit. She has a great mid-range game, she's a solid passer, she's a monster on the boards, she runs the floor hard and is one of the best defenders in the country. Could you imagine a front court of her her, Jana, and Sarah next year? With her ability shoot mid-range jumpers, she could play positions 3-4 and help stretch the defense. She also has the ability to drive to the basket as well.
Wow....Great scouting report: I'm sold!
Need to drop a line to Coach Ivey in South Bend ;)
 
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Whoa, wow, WTF?

As the article states:
"Kieger has a record of 73-105 at Penn State. The Nittany Lions got off to an 8-0 start this season but things went downhill quickly from there, with a 2-19 record from December on."

Kieger signed an extension in April 2022. The PSU press release didn't get into how long it was for, but I've got to think it has another year or two. The only -- and I mean, only -- reason for keeping her is that the administration didn't want to eat a contract. She has not gotten the Nittany Lions into the NCAA's once in her tenure. Heck, they didn't even get to play in the B1G tourney this week.

Maybe they had to balance out the money they paid the Volleyball coach, who just won the NCAA's, by keeping a coach who just can't get it right here.
Im REALLY surprised by this considering some of the people i talked to who would know pretty much said she was all but gone. heck, I heard they already had her replacement ready to go after the tournament.
 
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I still can't understand why people keep bringing up Barnes. Most of these other coaches have been posting losing records for year after year after year. She's just not comparable to these other coaches.
I think the thing about Barnes is that
(a) she threw her university under the bus with comments about lack of funding
(B) some reports are she may have to take a pay cut

I could see that leading to not so much a firing but a change in her employment.
 
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She's pregnant and due in April. So no way you can fire her before the end of next season, in good conscience
I don't get this. It's one thing to say the coach shouldn't be fired because they're building the program the right way or bringing in great recruits, etc. but why can't they fire the coach in good conscience just because they're pregnant? Firing a coach because they are pregnant is problematic but so is not firing a coach because they are pregnant, in my opinion.
 

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Im REALLY surprised by this considering some of the people i talked to who would know pretty much said she was all but gone. heck, I heard they already had her replacement ready to go after the tournament.
Would be interesting if those folks know how that direction/intent changed....
 

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I think the thing about Barnes is that
(a) she threw her university under the bus with comments about lack of funding
(B) some reports are she may have to take a pay cut

I could see that leading to not so much a firing but a change in her employment.
I've seen that, kind of unusual circumstances, but I don't think being on the hot seat really applies. It's certainly not a case where she's clearly failing to succeed at her job.
 
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Open: Auburn, Mizzou, Houston, BYU

P4 changes that could still happen? (Years at school)
  • ACC: UVa (3), SMU (4)
  • SEC: Arkansas (8)
  • BiG: NWern (17), Wisconsin (4), Rutgers (3)
  • B12: ASU (3), TxT (5), UCF (2), Ariz (9)
 
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Talia Goodman reporting that BYU expected to fire Amber Whiting
I didn't really expect them to pull the trigger, but I've been very underwhelmed by the job she's done there. So...you think they go after an actual college coach next time?


edit--also, fire sale if she leaves? Her daughter for one. They have a nice freshman class, one in particular.
 

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I didn't really expect them to pull the trigger, but I've been very underwhelmed by the job she's done there. So...you think they go after an actual college coach next time?


edit--also, fire sale if she leaves? Her daughter for one. They have a nice freshman class, one in particular.
Gibb is from Raymond, Alberta, an LDS community. So might be tough to pry her out of there...
 

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I think the thing about Barnes is that
(a) she threw her university under the bus with comments about lack of funding
(B) some reports are she may have to take a pay cut

I could see that leading to not so much a firing but a change in her employment.
First, the lack of funding is real. It is not a secret. I must have missed a specific Adia remark about lack of funding, but there isn't a lot of NIL money, and even less general athletic department funding. The past AD and University President lost their jobs over the situation. Very well documented.

The beat writer is the one who discussed a pay cut, but a large donor confirmed hearing it. I'm not at an insider level, so I have no idea. The point was that, with one exception, none of the coaches in their next to last contract year were renewed as they typically would be. He (the writer) pointed out that Barnes high salary probably was not sustainable in the financial reality the university is facing. He suggested a pay cut with the difference in incentives; certainly CVS at Rutgers had that happen to her later in her career.

So yes, Barnes could leave, I doubt she would want to and I sincerely doubt - at this point - that the school wants her to. The problem as you note is the high salary when the prior AD rewarded her for 2 big accomplishments with a future WNBA star, and we haven't had star power since.
 

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