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Vowelguy said:
Does this mean that Woodward is out?
If not, quite a sweet deal to not have to do the most important task of your job but still get paid.
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Not yet… but Outlick’s @TreyWallace has the Landry rant in his timeline (it will end up getting booted if posted here).
 
huskymedic said:
Not yet… but Outlick’s @TreyWallace has the Landry rant in his timeline (it will end up getting booted if posted here).
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Not sure why it would get deleted.

I initially laughed at the notion of the gov being so involved but then
1-I recalled that he’s acting head while the presidency is vacant (?) and
2-he makes a fair point sbout the conflicts of interest regarding agents
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The highest NIL are going to win, and schools like Vandy and Duke and Stanford can pay a lot more, if they want to.
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(disclaimer: I am NOT disagreeing with you, nelsonmuntz)


but DO they want to?

what's the point of all this? to make money.. right?
assuming your endowment figures are correct/up-to-date, then obviously LSU wants money.... Vandy and Stanford HAVE money. they probably have tremendous application numbers & heavy tuition/donation income annually. And any gap in fundraising doesn't need to be addressed by becoming a party/saturday school. You lean on your strengths (research, faculty, USNews rankings).

However, the following is the whole platform of the SEC, minus-Vandy; mediocre academics, awesome football and parties.

that "sec platform" ^ is NOT what Vandy and Stanford and Duke, and Northwestern, etc... want to be at the end of the day. They don't need football success (and the horrible spending that comes with it), and IMO will spend just enough to be competitive but not enough to become the next bama and LSU..... and that's ok.

they don't need it, unless the alumni power brokers demand it... which again - I doubt they care about that, the way bama and ole miss alumni care about football.

Alabama enrollment didn't shoot up in the last quarter century (19K to 42K) because of their pre-med ranking.
 
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Scott Woodward blew it on his hiring of Jimbo Fisher at A&M and Kelly at LSU. Those salaries were huge but the buyouts were ridiculous. Note: Did you know that Woodward's agent is also Jimmy Sexton? Spin that around for a while. Think it might have had an influence in Woodward advocating/agreeing to those monstrous buyouts? A lot of slight of hand is played down on the bayous.
As for LSU itself, I have a good friend whose family is deep into the program. I've been to several Sat Night games at Tiger Stadium (they should be bucket list items). The amount of money down there is unreal. But let’s be clear — that $54 million booster bailout isn’t some guy wiring cash straight to Brian Kelly. He’s donating the money to LSU, probably through the athletic foundation. Then LSU pays Kelly after papering the transaction to make it look like a legit, "fully charitable donation" and the donor gets a big tax deduction (I was told about $20M). So yes, he’s out the money — but Uncle Sam picks up part of the tab. And Jimmy Sexton orders another Hurricane in "the Quata".
 
LSU is the best available job. It may be a poor state and perhaps a poor school. But football is like the top priority by miles. And it’s a place where you can win a NC. They will be able to find a very good coach if they want.
 
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Landry was not happy about raising ticket prices while having a losing season. LSU has lost to 3 ranked teams: Ole Miss, Vandy, TAMU. These P2 programs are going to drive themselves crazy all thinking they can go 11-1 or 10-2 every year.

 
Kolumbo said:
These P2 programs are going to drive themselves crazy all thinking they can go 11-1 or 10-2 every year.
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these p2 AD's and presidents have to be idiots if they had BCS-era regular season records as the ongoing standard, as they brought in more big brands to their conferences. a 12-0 "Pac12" USC is a 9-3 "B1G" USC ; there had to be a re-calibration as the conferences grew in membership and strength of schedule.

the LSU and Alabama issues, were bound to happen. At this rate, P2 schools really are about to just fire everyone and play musical chairs with coaches until one of them gets lucky and hits a 11-1 season, only to go 6-6 the next year and THEN get fired lol


I hate what college football is becoming. and UConn doesn't even have a chance to have our day in court to state our case, so to speak. it just feels like with every passing season, the runaway train of CR runs faster away from us (sry to derail the conversation into CR stuff).
 
When Joe Paterno was hired in 1966 at Penn St., Beaver Stadium had a capacity of 46k. After Joe's initial success, they expanded Beaver Stadium to 57.5k in 1972 and then they continued to expand Beaver Stadium as Penn St. won. The point is that fan interest is correlated to winning, not to media revenues or conference. affiliation. As the college football powers consolidate into the P2, some historically winning schools will lose more often. How does that impact attendance and fan interest?
 
ZooCougar said:
LSU is the best available job. It may be a poor state and perhaps a poor school. But football is like the top priority by miles. And it’s a place where you can win a NC. They will be able to find a very good coach if they want.
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Do they have the cash to do that long-term? After oil and gas, what are the big industries?
 
Jetskies said:
(disclaimer: I am NOT disagreeing with you, nelsonmuntz)


but DO they want to?

what's the point of all this? to make money.. right?
assuming your endowment figures are correct/up-to-date, then obviously LSU wants money.... Vandy and Stanford HAVE money. they probably have tremendous application numbers & heavy tuition/donation income annually. And any gap in fundraising doesn't need to be addressed by becoming a party/saturday school. You lean on your strengths (research, faculty, USNews rankings).

However, the following is the whole platform of the SEC, minus-Vandy; mediocre academics, awesome football and parties.

that "sec platform" ^ is NOT what Vandy and Stanford and Duke, and Northwestern, etc... want to be at the end of the day. They don't need football success (and the horrible spending that comes with it), and IMO will spend just enough to be competitive but not enough to become the next bama and LSU..... and that's ok.

they don't need it, unless the alumni power brokers demand it... which again - I doubt they care about that, the way bama and ole miss alumni care about football.

Alabama enrollment didn't shoot up in the last quarter century (19K to 42K) because of their pre-med ranking.
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I agree that the prestige universities don’t need to do football at a high level, but Vandy is. Stanford’s alumni are staggeringly wealthy, and could lay waste to college athletics if they wanted to.

I am a little surprised there hasn’t been more chatter about a Vandy, Duke, Northwestern, Stanford, Cal, Rice, whoever league.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
I agree that the prestige universities don’t need to do football at a high level, but Vandy is. Stanford’s alumni are staggeringly wealthy, and could lay waste to college athletics if they wanted to.

I am a little surprised there hasn’t been more chatter about a Vandy, Duke, Northwestern, Stanford, Cal, Rice, whoever league.
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agreed on all points.

Vandy is... currently.
Will it last? i could be full of sugarhoney, but my money is on it NOT lasting. Football is just too expensive to STAY good at, and getting worse by the year. And as costs gets worse, Vandy will prioritize their cash cows; STEM.
The Vandy coach will get his payday, at an Auburn or Mississippi state, or wherever LSU's Athletic Director is employed next; that guy just hands out cash to coaches like taxpayers don't exist.

Michigan and Ohio State are the only schools I can think of, who have grandfathered their way into winning BOTH in the classroom and on the field. Other than that, I can't think of too many other schools who have really distinguished themselves in both arenas & spent the necessary dollars, to stay at the front of both lines.

also agreed on the "power Ivy" league - I think it needs to happen ASAP so these schools can stop being dragged along to the big P2 show; they don't want or need to spend that kind of football money, to achieve their financial goals & overall mission. Stanford and Duke do.not.care. about going to the CFP. So stop trying to make them spend like an Oregon. I think eventually they will give in and band together to establish the Power Ivy. It would live in the purgatory, between P2 and G6. And once again, UConn will not be invited lol, but for different reasons - we're not prestigious enough.


SIGHHHHHH
 
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UConnJim said:
As the college football powers consolidate into the P2, some historically winning schools will lose more often. How does that impact attendance and fan interest?
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just a nobody's opinion:

I think as the P2 forms into its "final" form and kicks out the stanfords/dukes/rutgers of the world, that final super conference will just be an NFL model. you can go 4-8 and still get the income, because every week is a spectacle, and the athletes are still far and away the best football players in the country, even if that particular P2 team "sucks" this year.


"sucks"... as in they'd still absolutely destroy anyone in the G5 or the P2 rejects.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I agree that the prestige universities don’t need to do football at a high level, but Vandy is. Stanford’s alumni are staggeringly wealthy, and could lay waste to college athletics if they wanted to.

I am a little surprised there hasn’t been more chatter about a Vandy, Duke, Northwestern, Stanford, Cal, Rice, whoever league.
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This makes sense to me as well. University of Chicago was a charter member of the Big10 until they deemphasized sports in the 40s. Similar journey for Ivies.
 
HCCForever said:
I agree but it is highly unlikely that a service academy wins a National Championship in football or basketball.
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The chance of winning FBS championships has always been limited to approximately a group of 20 schools. Other schools may have been playing FBS but in reality were never truly competing for a national championship, Now it is possible any school with a rich alumni base to have a chance of winning a Football championship. Examples are Indiana, Texas Tech.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
I agree that the prestige universities don’t need to do football at a high level, but Vandy is. Stanford’s alumni are staggeringly wealthy, and could lay waste to college athletics if they wanted to.

I am a little surprised there hasn’t been more chatter about a Vandy, Duke, Northwestern, Stanford, Cal, Rice, whoever league.
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I question how long the elite privates will stay in the P2. They don't need the football revenue and they have the money to go out and buy championships if they want to. So why don't they? Why be in it if not to win it? Do Vandy, Northwestern and Stanford gain something that MIT and Chicago lose out on because of college football? Or is it the opposite. At the same time Texas and Michigan are also $$ loaded. I doubt the privates could go out and buy a full roster of players who could all handle the rigorous academics, unless of course they aren't required to.

Once the split occurs, the ACC could evolve into the greasy fbs version of the ivy league, although the geography would suck compared to the Ivy League
 
Jetskies said:
just a nobody's opinion:

I think as the P2 forms into its "final" form and kicks out the stanfords/dukes/rutgers of the world, that final super conference will just be an NFL model. you can go 4-8 and still get the income, because every week is a spectacle, and the athletes are still far and away the best football players in the country, even if that particular P2 team "sucks" this year.


"sucks"... as in they'd still absolutely destroy anyone in the G5 or the P2 rejects.
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No top P2 school fans would be satisfied with going 4-8 or 6-6. Using FSU as an example, attendance in 2014: 82.5k. Attendance in 2022: 67.3k. The traditional powers want to go 11-1 or 10-2 with perhaps a down year to 8-4, but this is hard to do now in the P2 conferences which is why we are seeing the coaching turnover.
 
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BigTenFan said:
Academics and Athletics don't need to be mutually exclusive. The military academies do both at the highest level.
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They are not mutually exclusive, but at this point in the game one has almost nothing to do with the other.

The academies are a completely different beast and in my opinion have nothing to do with this discussion.
 
Nostical said:
Scott Woodward blew it on his hiring of Jimbo Fisher at A&M and Kelly at LSU. Those salaries were huge but the buyouts were ridiculous. Note: Did you know that Woodward's agent is also Jimmy Sexton? Spin that around for a while. Think it might have had an influence in Woodward advocating/agreeing to those monstrous buyouts? A lot of slight of hand is played down on the bayous.
As for LSU itself, I have a good friend whose family is deep into the program. I've been to several Sat Night games at Tiger Stadium (they should be bucket list items). The amount of money down there is unreal. But let’s be clear — that $54 million booster bailout isn’t some guy wiring cash straight to Brian Kelly. He’s donating the money to LSU, probably through the athletic foundation. Then LSU pays Kelly after papering the transaction to make it look like a legit, "fully charitable donation" and the donor gets a big tax deduction (I was told about $20M). So yes, he’s out the money — but Uncle Sam picks up part of the tab. And Jimmy Sexton orders another Hurricane in "the Quata".
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Jimmy Sexton. Agent of AD and of the coaches.

In the south incest isn't just for family.
 
HCCForever said:
This makes sense to me as well. University of Chicago was a charter member of the Big10 until they deemphasized sports in the 40s. Similar journey for Ivies.
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U of Chicago would upgrade sports to be in a league with those schools. BCU would beg to be in that league. Miami would have a decision to make. That school spent decades improving its academics and image as a place rich kids went to party for 4 years.

Notre Dame would have a very tough decision to make. Most of its alumni would love to be in a league with those schools, but it’s non-alumni fan base wouldn’t want that league.
 
Forgot to show this as a reply to @nelsonmuntz:

I don't think U of Chicago would, or could, go big time all sports anymore, but that's only based on knowing the really odd kids that go there (for undergrad).

But your comment leads to many questions. Is it an academic consortium that happens to play sports? In that case Chicago would be a good addition, but Miami wouldn't be (not meant as a slight on Miami, but it's not a great institution like the others mentioned, just a low acceptance rate). Or is it an athletic conference made up of great schools (in which case Miami is a good fit, but Chicago isn't). And then how big do you go? Is Tulane getting the call? Rice? Any Patriot League schools (although they aren't research institutions)?

Fun to think about, but it's another way UConn gets left out!
 
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UConnJim said:
No top P2 school fans would be satisfied with going 4-8 or 6-6. Using FSU as an example, attendance in 2014: 82.5k. Attendance in 2022: 67.3k. The traditional powers want to go 11-1 or 10-2 with perhaps a down year to 8-4, but this is hard to do now in the P2 conferences which is why we are seeing the coaching turnover.
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i don't disagree with you. But i'm not sure if you're disagreeing with me, because it feels like your making my point too.

I am a Jets fan; I HATE that the Jets are 1-7 and we're already in anotther lost season only 8 weeks in. But the jets don't give an at's Rass that I am angry at them. Metlife is emptying out already. Still, they are getting PAIDDDDD regardless of fans' anger, because they're in the club. This is what Im talking about with the future P2.

the traditional powers WANT to go 12-0 sure, but this isn't the BCS era anymore where alabama was stacking starting-caliber RBs and QBs on their roster like no ones business. Hey bama/texas, you're not special anymore. I think the schools will catch on quickly that you can only fire so many "worthy" coaches before you run out of reasonable candidates for your next hire. Expectations have no choice but to adjust; this is where THEIR greed has brought them. Now they're mad they have to pay buyouts? (eg. LSU/gov of Louisiana situation)

shoulda thought about that before agreeing to join this journey toward the super league, while killing the soul of College Football along the way.
 
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