2018-2019 CBB Discussion Thread

[tcf15]

And so it begins...

 

[StepbackCity]

As I tweeted earlier, Jackson has all the tools to make a big jump this year. NBA potential for sure.

 

[the Q]

Nice to see he got in shape for another school, but not Uconn.

 

[HawkHusky]

But will New Mexico use him the way Daddy Jackson wants?

 

[tcf15]

Nice to see he got in shape for another school, but not Uconn.

True, but also...

Jackson, who averaged 8.1 points and 26 minutes per game as a freshman, met with Ollie after last season and wanted to know what the plan was for him to be able to develop into more than just a spot-up shooter.

"Get in the gym," Ollie said, according to a source close to Jackson.

"[Jackson] wanted a clear plan going forward," the source said. "He didn't want to transfer, but there was no plan."

 

[the Q]

True, but also...

Jackson, who averaged 8.1 points and 26 minutes per game as a freshman, met with Ollie after last season and wanted to know what the plan was for him to be able to develop into more than just a spot-up shooter.

"Get in the gym," Ollie said, according to a source close to Jackson.

"[Jackson] wanted a clear plan going forward," the source said. "He didn't want to transfer, but there was no plan."

Maybe that was Ollie’s nice way of saying he needed to be in better shape?

 

[Huskybass]

Maybe that was Ollie’s nice way of saying he needed to be in better shape?

Come on. The kid was really good for a freshman. Any decent coach would have come up with a plan to feature him in the offense.

 

[Austin316]

I don’t think anyone doubts he was a good player for us. Clearly he wanted a bigger role here and direction from his coach. He should have been treated better.

Best of luck to Jackson-5. I hope he makes it.

 

[the Q]

Come on. The kid was really good for a freshman. Any decent coach would have come up with a plan to feature him in the offense.

I agree that I’m not thrilled these guys didn’t give players personally designed plans, but Jackson’s conditioning should be fair game for questioning.

 

[auror]

And so it begins...

Was he told that by Vance Sr.?

 

[Huskybass]

I agree that I’m not thrilled these guys didn’t give players personally designed plans, but Jackson’s conditioning should be fair game for questioning.

Vance shot 48% from 3 point range as a freshman in league play and 55% from three during an AAU summer. His conditioning and productivity were far better than the coaching he received.

 

[intlzncster]

I don’t think anyone doubts he was a good player for us. Clearly he wanted a bigger role here and direction from his coach. He should have been treated better.

Best of luck to Jackson-5. I hope he makes it.

While I think his dad is a turd, after seeing Ollie laid bare, I think it's really hard to fault any of the kids for transferring. At the time, it was in their best interest.

 

[intlzncster]

Vance shot 48% from 3 point range as a freshman in league play and 55% from three during an AAU summer. His conditioning and productivity were far better than the coaching he received.

Shooting has absolutely nothing to do with conditioning. So yeah, still fair. But I'd put much of that to lack of coaching/mentorship.

 

[JB75]

Huskybass. Hit the nail on the head. He was good as a freshmen. He just needed to bulk up a bit, get a Little tougher and tighten up his d. He had good moves and handle for a forward and we kno with the right coaching his shot wudda been wet. Thx Ollie- I really liked him.

 

[JB75]

Sf/shooting guard. A 6-7 one at that

 

[Stainmaster]

What does it say about Ollie and the coaching staff when they let a top 50 recruit go and he wanted to leave so badly that he agreed to sit out a year and transfer to freaking New Mexico. Really?

What does it say about the top 50 recruit that that’s where he ended up?

 

[intlzncster]

What does it say about the top 50 recruit that that’s where he ended up?

Was about to say the same, but I still would've liked to have him.

That said, if we end up with Bou/Gaff/Precious/Akok/Kofi....I will get over it.

 

[uchusky32]

Will be interesting to see how those transfers end up. Jackson and Durham had the most upside.

Just glad we got our coach and he's getting the type of talent we need.

 

[Huskybass]

Shooting has absolutely nothing to do with conditioning. So yeah, still fair. But I'd put much of that to lack of coaching/mentorship.

Shooting has a lot to do with conditioning. When your legs are gone, it certainly effects your shot. Vance was a far better player than Ollie was a coach. I am sure you will see that on the court this season.

 

[intlzncster]

Shooting has a lot to do with conditioning. When your legs are gone, it certainly effects your shot. Vance was a far better player than Ollie was a coach. I am sure you will see that on the court this season.

He played about 25min per game. It's not like he was playing 38 and tired.

His problems physically were strength and quickness. I did not see him tugging his shorts often in 2016.

 

[JB75]

Doesn’t say much because Durham and Enoch ended up at way better schools than Vance Jackson and he was obviously way better than both of them At least going by the eye test watching him play last year

 

[Travelman6]

Maybe that was Ollie’s nice way of saying he needed to be in better shape?

Yes, but what is the point of a coach if that is the response given? The kid needed guidance and got a generic response. Coach is coach for a reason, they tell you what you need (not want) to hear, guide you, work on individual plans for improvement and elaborate when needed and in that case, clearly (and rightfully so) more detail was required.

 

[the Q]

I’m just curious how Kansas underachieves again after not doing so for the first time since 2008.

 

[the Q]

Yes, but what is the point of a coach if that is the response given? The kid needed guidance and got a generic response. Coach is coach for a reason, they tell you what you need (not want) to hear, guide you, work on individual plans for improvement and elaborate when needed and in that case, clearly (and rightfully so) more detail was required.

I agree with you. I can’t imagine that was the only thing said during that discussion, but I already said previously here that each player needed their own summer plan. Whaley and Wilson needed to lift heavy stuff, and tag team the buffet line. A lot. Etc

 

[Austin316]

A lot of familiar names on this list: College Basketball’s 32 Most Important Transfers

I forgot about the package deal from UMass we had our eyes on during the year of the transfer. Those guys now play at Houston. We’ll see how good the Louisiana natives are.