2016/17 McDonald's All Americans by Team

[Wbbfan1]

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Here is a listing of players (last name only) by team and year. The four numbers after the school name designate the number in each class. I used colons to separate the classes in each school's listing. I checked on the team rosters so actually factored in transfers, although I'm not sure if some of them will be eligible to play next year. Also, any recent transfers wouldn't be taken into account (which is why I included the names, so someone can point out if I missed a transfer somewhere). I also didn't factor in 5th year seniors.

Only 3 schools (ND, Duke, and Kentucky) have a McDonald's AA in every single class.

Eight:
Notre Dame (1,2,3,2) Allen:Westbeld, Turner:Mabrey, Ogunbowale, Patberg:Boley, Young

Seven:
Duke (4,1,1,1) Brown,Cooper,Chidom, Greenwell:Belton :Lambert:Odom


Six:
Louisville (0,2,2,2) :Hines-Allen, Moore: Durr, Fuehring:Johnson, Shook
Maryland (1,0,2,3) Small::Fraser, Gillespie:Charles, Watson, Slocum
Tennessee (3,2,1,0) DeShields, Reynolds, Russell:Middleton, Nared:Cooper:
Texas (0,2,2,2) Atkins, McCarty:Higgs, Hosey:Holmes, Sutton

Five:
Baylor (1,0,0,2,2): ::Mompremier, Brown:Chou, Cox (5th year Jones)
tOSU (2,2,0,1) Harper, Mavunga : Calhoun,Mitchell::McCoy
Stanford (2,0,0,3) Johnson, McCall:::Carrington, Fingall, Wilson

Four:
UConn (0,1,2,1) :Williams:Collier, Samuelsonangerfield
Kentucky (1,1,1,1) Epps:Rice:Murray:Corsaro
South Carolina (2,2,0,0) Coates, Davis, Wilson:Cuevas::

Three:
Cal (0,2,1,0) :Cowling, Green:Anigwe:
UCLA (0,2,1,0) Canada, Drummer:Hearn:

Two:
FSU (1,1,0,0) James:Thomas::
UNC (0,0,2,0) :: Walker, Watts:
Vanderbilt (1,0,0,1) Dahlman:::Carter
Washington (1,0,1,0) Plum::Strother:

One:
Arkansas (0,0,0,1) :::Wilson
Florida (1,0,0,0) Williams:::
Harvard (0,0,0,1) :::Boehm
Illinois (0,1,0,0) :White::
Kansas (1,0,0,0) Washington
Missouri (0,0,1,0) ::Cunningham:
Northwestern (1,0,0,0) Coffey:::
Oklahoma (0,0,0,1) :::Mulkey
PSU (0,0,1,0) ::Boykin:
Rutgers (1,0,0,0) Scaife:::
Southern Cal (0,1,0,0) :Edwards::
TCU (0,0,0,1) :::Ramirez
Texas Tech (0,1,0,0):Caldwell::

 

[Kaizen]

Kia is not McDonald's All American but better than most of the AA.

 

[Geno-ista]

This is the post I've been hoping for and leaves me asking the obvious question-
According to all the "so called experts"- UConn gets all the talent all the time.
In a 4 yr span , there are 96 McD AAmericans. We had 6 this year. The other three teams in the FF had 3 total between them, is what I thought I saw. If getting the most HS talent is the most important ingredient for success, which is what all the know Know-it-all's that no nothing about women's college basketball say, then how did 3 teams w 1 or no All Americans beat teams with 2,3,4,5,6 & 7 to get to the final four? And the more I analyze the state of mens b ball during the Wooden dominance, vs the state of women's college b ball during Geno's/UConn's dominance, and the amount of top 15 teams that have almost as many, as many, or more AAmericans year in and out as we have- teams we usually beat by 20/30 & 40 points, there is no question in my mind that Geno & staff are every bit as good as The UCLA/Wooden coaching staff. You can't win as much as he does for as long as he does without him and their system being as good as anyone else ever. I don't care about the men being different from the women "thing". I think it's pathetic to think that Geno shouldn't be mentioned in the same breathe as John Wooden.

 

[UcMiami]

Geno-ista - nice rage ! I hope that felt as good to write as it did to read!

I'll add one more thing to the state of MCBB in the Wooden era - the NCAA was blind deaf and dumb back then in terms of any pretense of enforcement of recruiting ethics. UCLA had a mastermind booster and they got the best recruits that hollywood parties and starlets, car dealerships, and cash could buy. Wooden was a great coach and a huge draw by himself, but for anyone that might waver ....

All you have to do is look at the rosters of those Wooden teams and they are full of iconic college and professional players starting with two of the most talented 7 footers ever. Uconn may get some serious talent, but top to bottom those teams were loaded. And Wooden like Geno got to work with them for four years - he could only play them for three on the varsity, but they got to play a full season of freshman ball under his tutelage as well - and the freshman team could very well have won some of the NCAA titles or at least finished as runner up to the varsity. (I believe Walton's freshman season the only loss the varsity had was to the freshman in a scrimmage.)

As to Uconn and Geno getting all the talent - obviously fiction, but ... if you look at 4 year periods since players stay in school for all four years, and look at quality rather than quantity for those periods since you need five starters plus some supporting players - it is hard to argue that Uconn talent is not better than anyone else. Part of that is the talent of developing players but a lot is the quality of the players coming in.

2000-2003 - 3 titles - highly regarded HS talent - TASSueK, DT, Ann, Barb, Nicole (She was ranked #1 by some service I believe) Willnett (top 20 I think.), Shea, and Sveta doesn't count because she was foreign.

2004-2007 - 1 title - DT, Ann, Barb, Nicole, Willnett, Charde, Brittany Hunter, Renee, Kalana, Tina, Kaili,

2008-11 - 2 titles - Charde, Brittany Hunter, Renee, Kalana, Tina, Kaili, Maya, Doty, Hayes, Faris, Dolson, Hartley

2012-15 - 3 titles - Doty, Hayes, Faris, Dolson, Hartley, Banks, KML, Stokes, Stewart, Tuck, Jefferson and does not include Nurse (foreign) and Williams (Injured.)

Bold = NPOY - all eras except the most recent had two NPOY during the four year period.

That is a lot of highly talented McD AA players since 2000.

You could do the same kinds of list for all the top teams, and TN and Duke would probably match up pretty closely, and other teams would match up closely for various four year periods. But if you added up college accolades - 10 NPOY, 8 Liebermans, 2 DPOY, and I am not going to try to tally the AAs, it is going to dwarf everyone - a tribute to the coaching getting the absolute best out of so many talented recruits, but it does start with the talent coming in the door.

 

[SCGamecock]

UCONN does not get all of the top talent... but Geno does a pretty good job of getting more "transcendent talent" than anyone else. Combine that transcendent talent with excellent coaching and the results are what they are...

 

[HuskyNan]

Top ranked players: HoopGurlz, Blue Star, Prospects Nation

Eight:
Notre Dame (1,2,3,2) Allen:Westbeld, Turner:Mabrey, Ogunbowale, Patberg:Boley, Young

Seven:
Duke (4,1,1,1) Brown,Cooper,Chidom, Greenwell:Belton :Lambert:Odom

Six:
Louisville (0,2,2,2) :Hines-Allen, Moore: Durr, Fuehring: Johnson, Shook
Maryland (1,0,2,3) Small::Fraser, Gillespie:Charles, Watson, Slocum
Tennessee (3,2,1,0) DeShields, Reynolds, Russell:Middleton, Nared:Cooper:
Texas (0,2,2,2) Atkins, McCarty:Higgs, Hosey:Holmes, Sutton

Five:
Baylor (1,0,0,2,2): ::Mompremier, Brown:Chou, Cox (5th year Jones)
tOSU (2,2,0,1) Harper, Mavunga : Calhoun,Mitchell::McCoy
Stanford (2,0,0,3) Johnson, McCall:::Carrington, Fingall, Wilson

Four:
UConn (0,1,2,1) :Williams:Collier, Samuelson: Dangerfield
Kentucky (1,1,1,1) Epps:Rice:Murray:Corsaro
South Carolina (2,2,0,0) Coates, Davis, Wilson:Cuevas::

Three:
Cal (0,2,1,0) :Cowling, Green:Anigwe:
UCLA (0,2,1,0) Canada, Drummer:Hearn:

Two:
FSU (1,1,0,0) James:Thomas::
UNC (0,0,2,0) :: Walker, Watts:
Vanderbilt (1,0,0,1) Dahlman:::Carter
Washington (1,0,1,0) Plum::Strother:

One:
Arkansas (0,0,0,1) :::Wilson
Florida (1,0,0,0) Williams:::
Harvard (0,0,0,1) :::Boehm
Illinois (0,1,0,0) :White::
Kansas (1,0,0,0) Washington
Missouri (0,0,1,0) ::Cunningham:
Northwestern (1,0,0,0) Coffey:::
Oklahoma (0,0,0,1) :::Mulkey
PSU (0,0,1,0) ::Boykin:
Rutgers (1,0,0,0) Scaife:::
Southern Cal (0,1,0,0) :Edwards::
TCU (0,0,0,1) :::Ramirez
Texas Tech (0,1,0,0):Caldwell::

 

[BRS24]

This is the post I've been hoping for and leaves me asking the obvious question-
According to all the "so called experts"- UConn gets all the talent all the time.
In a 4 yr span , there are 96 McD AAmericans. We had 6 this year. The other three teams in the FF had 3 total between them, is what I thought I saw.

Great post Geno-ista. I think what it comes down to is that HS skill level and evaluation is so much different than college. You can be a star in HS, be a McD AA, but what's important is what you do with that skill once you get to college. Work hard? No, work harder than you ever imagine you could. Then throw in a mix of great coaching (hopefully!), sense of team first, and all that other "stuff", and by the time you get through college, maybe you get to a FF. But, that's also dependent on how in tune your teammates are, and if they are working at your level.

Stevie might be the poster child for how a college hoop player should develop over four years. As all of you have seen, she added dimensions to her game each offseason, to the result of this final, which showcased a complete skill set. There are countless other UConn players who have gone through a similar transition, however Stewie is probably the best example. So, I put very little, if any stock in McD AA status as once you get to Storrs, CT, nothing from the past matters. Look at Lou, a prolific 3pt shooter in HS - what she did this season was so much more than just an outside shot.

On a somewhat rambling but similar thought, did you see any of the TN McD AAs go through improvements year by year? I still am SMH about what I perceive as a regression of DD on the court. Yes, she was injured, but what the heck was she doing last year when she couldn't play? Of her two playing seasons, as audacious as she was, I still find her frosh year much more complete.

 

[CONNMAN98]

The list that the OP has is for next year, so we would need to wait til then to see how UConn does with the 4 AA listed!
Notice that 3 minor last names of Stewart, Jefferson and Tuck are missing.

For this year just finished UConn would of had 6 of their main 7 players as AA's.

Personally I feel having 8 or so AA on a team could actually be detrimental. Could be bad for team morale and you need those good complimentary players who would be happy coming off the bench.

 

[mkwstar23]

All i can say is that this proves that it is not how many All Americans you have on your team, but rather whom is coaching them...and how many of them are AA's when they leave college...i have always thought that Uconn wins because they are better conditioned physically and mentally prepared than their opponents...they win because they want to win more than those they play...it is nice to have great player but then a lot of schools have great players so it take more than talent...first thought that comes to mind is Geno and Chris...just a thought

 

[Geno-ista]

Thanks for the addl great comments above everyone- and especially to UC & Nan! I don't know how u guys find and post the amt of great info and stats that you and others do. It's appreciated by mental midgets like me. I just wish some of the mainstream sportscasters that occasionally comment on our program would take the time to find or read some of the above stats before they comment. Even the "men's" sportscasters that respect our program don't really understand that there are super stars and potential superstars throughout the teams we compete with. Herb Brooks quote is one I always go back to- when he chose the USA Olympic Hockey team and was under attack- "I'm not looking for the best players, I'm looking for the right players".

 

[DesertFox]

(I believe Walton's freshman season the only loss the varsity had was to the freshman in a scrimmage.)

Actually the varsity that season (1970-71) was 29-1 losing to Notre Dame in January, 1971.

 

[UcMiami]

Actually the varsity that season (1970-71) was 29-1 losing to Notre Dame in January, 1971.

I just remember reading somewhere a long time ago that one of the senior teams was beaten by the freshman team and thought it was their only lost. May have the year wrong, may have the 'undefeated' wrong, or may be misremembering the whole thing!!!

 

[MarieYLee]

The list that the OP has is for next year, so we would need to wait til then to see how UConn does with the 4 AA listed!
Notice that 3 minor last names of Stewart, Jefferson and Tuck are missing.

For this year just finished UConn would of had 6 of their main 7 players as AA's.

Personally I feel having 8 or so AA on a team could actually be detrimental. Could be bad for team morale and you need those good complimentary players who would be happy coming off the bench.

Nurse would have probably been a HS AA if she played basketball in the States (ASGR #14, BS #11, PN had her as a 5star) and Ekmark as well if she didn't skip her senior year.

HS AA is great, but coaching helps, and you take quality over quantity. I would take a team with 3 Top 5/McD AA players and round them out with Top 30 players, than a team like Louisville with multiple McD AA (with Durr being the only top 5 recruit, the rest being rated outside the Top 15).

 

[DesertFox]

I just remember reading somewhere a long time ago that one of the senior teams was beaten by the freshman team and thought it was their only lost. May have the year wrong, may have the 'undefeated' wrong, or may be misremembering the whole thing!!!

In reality is was Lew Alcinder's freshman team that beat the varsity 75-60 in November, 1965. I was fortunate to attend this game in person. However, that varsity team although rated pre-season #1, finished the season with a record of 18-8.

I don't recall Walton's freshman team beating the varsity.

 

[CONNMAN98]

In reality is was Lew Alcinder's freshman team that beat the varsity 75-60 in November, 1965. I was fortunate to attend this game in person. However, that varsity team although rated pre-season #1, finished the season with a record of 18-8.

I don't recall Walton's freshman team beating the varsity.

I didn't realize the varsity had that bad of a record (for them). But at the time they did refer to the varsity as "#1 in the country but only #2 on campus!"

Can you provide us with any of your impressions of that game?

 

[meyers7]

Five:
Baylor (1,0,0,2,2): ::Mompremier, Brown:Chou, Cox (5th year Jones)
tOSU (2,2,0,1) Harper, Mavunga : Calhoun,Mitchell::McCoy
Stanford (2,0,0,3) Johnson, McCall:::Carrington, Fingall, Wilson

Baylor has 6. Left out Alexis Prince. She red-shirted her SO year, so she has one more year of eligibility. Which I believe she is taking. (didn't hear she declared for the draft anyway)

 

[Orangutan]

UCONN does not get all of the top talent... but Geno does a pretty good job of getting more "transcendent talent" than anyone else. Combine that transcendent talent with excellent coaching and the results are what they are...

Yup. The funny thing to me about these posts is that Breanna Stewart and Michaela Mabrey both count for one McDonald's AA from 2012 for their respective schools. But given the gap in athleticism between Stewart (#1 ranked) and Mabrey (#33), they might as well be from different species.

 

[HuskyNan]

The list that the OP has is for next year, so we would need to wait til then to see how UConn does with the 4 AA listed!
Notice that 3 minor last names of Stewart, Jefferson and Tuck are missing.

Hence the title of the thread.

 

[DesertFox]

I didn't realize the varsity had that bad of a record (for them). But at the time they did refer to the varsity as "#1 in the country but only #2 on campus!"

Can you provide us with any of your impressions of that game?

Yes, you are correct, we did refer to the varsity as only #2 on campus (some before the game with the freshmen, and pretty much all following it). I don't know what impressions you seek. It was quite a few years ago and I've watched hundreds and hundreds of games since. Alcindor was simply incredible. I believe he scored 31 points and grabbed 21 rebounds and had numerous blocked shots in that game. I would suggest the use of Google for more info. His frosh team was 21-0 for the season and Walton's was 20-0. Neither of those records would include a scrimmage with the variety and I actually can't recall if Walton's frosh team even played he varsity. I can assure you, Walton's frosh squad would not have beaten them if they played.

 

[Charliebball]

Yup. The funny thing to me about these posts is that Breanna Stewart and Michaela Mabrey both count for one McDonald's AA from 2012 for their respective schools. But given the gap in athleticism between Stewart (#1 ranked) and Mabrey (#33), they might as well be from different species.

Orangutan.............It appears that you will have two players from that superior species as freshman next season.............we only have a single itsy bitsy one................I trust that MM will be very happy to have both of them on the court for the next four years...................

 

[UcMiami]

What people tend to forget about McD's all americans in the number of player included 24 - and generally limited to seniors, so not even a standard 4 year look at talent at either HS or college level, but a single class. The 20-24 ranked players for most all-star lists fall into the not quite honorable mention players (1st team - 1-5, 2nd - 6-10, 3rd - 11-15, honorable - 16-20) and include a number of underclassmen. So being a McD's AA is quite a wide basket and 'top' five is a significant distinction to last 5 selected. The difference between a Moriah, Breanna or Morgan say at the college senior level vs a Temi Fagbenle, Brianna Banks, or Bashaara Graves based on the WNBA's mock draft.

So counting McD all americans and using that raw count as a talent comparison is a little disingenuous - definitely decent players, but everyone gets much more excited about getting Cox, Holmes or Dangerfield than they do about a Lewis (Kiara #22), Walker (Jasmine #23) or Pivec (Mikayla #24) - notice I could just use the last names for the first three, but few would even know who the last three were and still fewer could name the winners of their commitments.

 

[JoePgh]

Yup. The funny thing to me about these posts is that Breanna Stewart and Michaela Mabrey both count for one McDonald's AA from 2012 for their respective schools. But given the gap in athleticism between Stewart (#1 ranked) and Mabrey (#33), they might as well be from different species.

Are you saying that one of them is simian?

 

[Orangutan]

Are you saying that one of them is simian?

I'm saying that Stewart is a superior evolution of the human female to which science has yet to put a name.