2013-2014 NCAA basketball attendance figures

[HuskyHawk]

I guess I'm asking because I hear you all talking about lack of rivalries being a reason for lack of support, but I just don't know of many "Big10"like rivalries that were in the old Big East. I remember The Pitt - WVU, but that's about it. What teams returned the UConn hate or even what were some other mutual hate rivalries?

Maybe this doesn't translate in midwestern terms. But UConn, BC, St. Johns, PC, Rutgers, Seton Hall could all just about fit inside one decent sized midwestern state. Syracuse is more distant, but still in the adjacent state. It's not just a lack of a single traditional rival, we didn't have one really. Syracuse was closest, but they (claimed) GTown was their biggest rival. PC hated us and is geographically closest. BC hated us and pretended indifference while we beat them twice a year, every year for more years than I can recall.

Now we play Tulsa. SMU. USF. UCF. Tulane. ECU. Do you see a difference there? Tulsa, Temple, Cinci and Houston have some history at least, but none of them truly excite anyone and nobody we play is a bus ride away except maybe Temple.

 

[dayooper]

This is about what I thought. There are so many reasons why rivalries start and it looks like UConn has been stripped of most of them.

If you joined the Big10, who would want as your rivalry and who do you think would be your main rivals? I'm assuming you would be the only new eastern team joining. I have an outsiders view, but want to see what you all would say.

 

[uconnell]

I could see MD and Rutgers. I don't recall ever playing PSU.

 

[UConnMike04]

I could see MSU in basketball as there is some tourney history there and big games between the two programs.

 

[Waquoit]

I irk him. He doesn't need a point to want to make that clear.

I held season tickets for five years when my son was in Trinity. Since then, go to an average of probably two games a year. FWIW.

You give yourself too much credit. You don't irk me. My point was both of you miss the point completely. The XL is saving UConn's total attendance figures, not hurting them. People that go to all the games know this.

 

[CallMeBruce]

This is about what I thought. There are so many reasons why rivalries start and it looks like UConn has been stripped of most of them.

If you joined the Big10, who would want as your rivalry and who do you think would be your main rivals? I'm assuming you would be the only new eastern team joining. I have an outsiders view, but want to see what you all would say.

Maryland all day. No question.

 

[businesslawyer]

You give yourself too much credit. You don't irk me. My point was both of you miss the point completely. The XL is saving UConn's total attendance figures, not hurting them. People that go to all the games know this.

I am not suggesting we stop playing in the XL. I am suggesting that average attendance at the XL going down from 15k to 10k or whatever hurts attendance. Thought it was fairly obvious.

Glad to know you're not irked. As for giving myself too much credit -- well, Duh.

 

[dayooper]

I could see MD and Rutgers. I don't recall ever playing PSU.

I could see MSU in basketball as there is some tourney history there and big games between the two programs.

Maryland all day. No question.

My thought was this:

Basketball: Maryland. MSU is a possibility, but the UM hate flows strong. Maryland needs to find a basketball rival and UConn would be perfect, IMO

Football: Rutgers. Proximity, previous relationship, hatred of PSU (you will hate PSU), and mutual recruiting grounds would make for a great rivalry.

Hockey: PSU. The two eastern schools will collide for a great rivalry.

 

[HuskyHawk]

This is about what I thought. There are so many reasons why rivalries start and it looks like UConn has been stripped of most of them.

If you joined the Big10, who would want as your rivalry and who do you think would be your main rivals? I'm assuming you would be the only new eastern team joining. I have an outsiders view, but want to see what you all would say.

Indiana and Michigan State for basketball. Hopefully one could develop with Wisconsin. For football, probably Rutgers and Penn State.

 

[dayooper]

Indiana and Michigan State for basketball. Hopefully one could develop with Wisconsin. For football, probably Rutgers and Penn State.

Izzo will drive you crazy. MSU is easy to hate.

 

[OkaForPrez]

@dayooper

http://syracusefan.com/threads/am-i-the-only-one-who-doesnt-hate-uconn.85674/#post-1262806

 

[HuskyHawk]

Izzo will drive you crazy. MSU is easy to hate.

LMAO. From a Wolverine perhaps. I think many here would agree he's one of the few coaches of major programs that we respect and like. Duke is easy to hate. Boeheim and Syracuse are easy to hate. Pitino and Louisville are easy to hate. Kentucky and Calapari are past that, they are impossible to like. But MSU and Izzo? Always one of the teams I admire.

 

[dayooper]

LMAO. From a Wolverine perhaps. I think many here would agree he's one of the few coaches of major programs that we respect and like. Duke is easy to hate. Boeheim and Syracuse are easy to hate. Pitino and Louisville are easy to hate. Kentucky and Calapari are past that, they are impossible to like. But MSU and Izzo? Always one of the teams I admire.

If you only knew.

 

[CallMeBruce]

If you only knew.

Did he come to your house? He's a public figure. His behavior isn't a secret. If your only reason for hating him is that Michigan State has passed Michigan in athletics, no one here cares about that.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Football: Rutgers closely followed by Maryland as both are programs UConn can compete with with many UConn fans enjoying a bi-annual trip to Penn St though it may take a while before the Huskies can win there.

Men's Hoops: Maryland followed by the other big dogs in the B1G (Ohio St, Michigan, State, Wisconsin) while everyone else especially Rugers who will be insanely jealous, will be targeting UConn due to the 4 NCAA title banners hanging from an expanded 12K Gampel Pavillion.

Women's Hoops: Penn St. and Rutgers with everyone else gunning for the Huskies due to the 10 banners hanging from an expanded Gampel.

Hockey: Penn St plus an opportunity to draw on some of that New England v. Midwest hockey rivalry.

Lax: Hopefully UConn can find the $$ to upgrade the men's team as there is no reason to believe with access to CT and Long Island recruiting territories that UConn can't compete with Maryland & JH.

Soccer: UConn, Rutgers, Penn St and Maryland make for an imposing group of soccer programs in the Northeast and Indiana is not too shabby either.

 

[dayooper]

Did he come to your house? He's a public figure. His behavior isn't a secret. If your only reason for hating him is that Michigan State has passed Michigan in athletics, no one here cares about that.

It started as a joke, him whining about the calls when his team is the most physical and making excuses about injuries. It was supposed to be a little play on what will drive you crazy about him as an opposing fan. You know, like saying you will find out when you play him in conference play.

As for hating him because MSU "passed us by,"I could give a rats @ss what happens in East Lansing. Every school has to take care of their own and after a great run of 60 years and, 20 years after that ended, a 35 year run, we fell on some hard times. We had a horrible AD (Dave Brandon) that makes your previous one look an all star. I know you don't believe me, but he was worse than any AD I can think of. The success doesn't last forever, but the down years don't either. Kinda like everybody writing Alabama before Saban got there, USC before Carroll got there, OSU before both Tressell and Meyer were hired, and Oklahoma before Stoops took the job, programs have ups and downs. Will Harbaugh bring Michigan to the pinnacle? Who knows, but he's the best chance we have at this time.

Sparty is what Sparty is and they have had a great run in both basketball and football. They have two very effective coaches and a purpose driven AD. They are not without warts, but no more than any other school. Yet it will take many years in football to achieve what Michigan has accomplished. I will leave it at that. As far as basketball, we are holding our own. The recent run we had ended last year, but two regular conference season championships in three years is a big deal in the Big10 (regular season championships are more valued than conference tourney championships). I will take John Beilein and his program anyday. I like where UM basketball is and where it's heading. We were one half away from a national championship in 2013 and look like we will be pretty decent this year. Not UConn good, but most aren't. MSU isn't either.

 

[itgoeslike]

Of course, the ACC has ready-made rivalries. For the Big Ten, the following are either rivals or have the potential to develop as rivals for UConn (IMO):

Football: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State (Indiana needs a "might-win" conference game besides Rutgers)
Basketball: Maryland, Michigan State, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin (Maybe Ohio State)
Soccer: Maryland, Indiana, Penn State
Hockey: Penn State (Maybe Wisconsin)
Womens Ball: Penn State, Rutgers
Baseball: Rutgers, Indiana, Maryland

If you compare UConn, Maryland, Rutgers and Penn State there are many similarities *LINK*. If UVA joined the Big Ten you would have a nice 5 team Eastern pod that would excel in basketball, soccer, and lacrosse. Every school is reasonably close and the group would encircle the Northeast corridor. If UConn eventually launched a mens lacrosse program there would be some opportunities for natural rivals.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

I must have read the list incorrectly, but it seems our number is higher than U. Texas' but they ranked them ahead of us. Same for USC East.

 

[Waquoit]

Did he come to your house? He's a public figure. His behavior isn't a secret. If your only reason for hating him is that Michigan State has passed Michigan in athletics, no one here cares about that.

How about the fact that Sparty fans all suck?

 

[CL82]

Gampel's small size really hurts UConn. They should have made it bigger.

Still, when it is hopping, the experience there is as good as any place in the country.

(IIRC, the idea was to protect the NHC and the HCC. It was a needed concession.)

 

[Waquoit]

Gampel's small size really hurts UConn.

How does it really hurt UConn?

 

[DarthGrumpy]

How does it really hurt UConn?

Gampel (10,167) holds more than Cameron (9,314) and yet I have not heard anyone say that Cameron hurts Duke at all.

 

[SubbaBub]

Asking because I really don't know. Who was UConn's biggest mutual rivalry in the old Big East?

Truthfully, it was whoever was good at the time. UCONN was really the only constant from 88 through the end of the Big East.

Georgetown (Iverson), Nova (Kittles), Pitt, Miami, Syracuse, Louisville all took their shots and none toppled the king.

The only reason the # of titles is close is because during the period from 79-86 UCONN was transitioning to top level BB.

Sound familiar?

 

[pj]

This is about what I thought. There are so many reasons why rivalries start and it looks like UConn has been stripped of most of them.

If you joined the Big10, who would want as your rivalry and who do you think would be your main rivals? I'm assuming you would be the only new eastern team joining. I have an outsiders view, but want to see what you all would say.

Rutgers #1. Closest geographically and, in football, athletically. Penn State - we'd aspire to be their football rivals but the gap will be large for a long time. Maryland could be good rivals in a number of sports; they've been a basketball rival and Edsall going there, plus a recent series, added to the football interest. Then Michigan and Ohio State. Both good in basketball, aspirational rivals in football.

But you know, Iowa recruited Connecticut well for a number of years and became a sort of football rival, at least in recruiting, so I think it can happen even with geographically distant schools.

 

[Exit 4]

Rutgers #1. Closest geographically and, in football, athletically. Penn State - we'd aspire to be their football rivals but the gap will be large for a long time. Maryland could be good rivals in a number of sports; they've been a basketball rival and Edsall going there, plus a recent series, added to the football interest. Then Michigan and Ohio State. Both good in basketball, aspirational rivals in football.

But you know, Iowa recruited Connecticut well for a number of years and became a sort of football rival, at least in recruiting, so I think it can happen even with geographically distant schools.

Yep, Rutty, Maryland and Penn St would be the natural rivals, particularly Maryland and Rutty. Our rivalry with Syracuse would never be the same, but it certainly be on better footing if we have a P5 home. Maybe our most interesting and contentious rival is BC - the ghost that won't play us.

 

[dayooper]

Yep, Rutty, Maryland and Penn St would be the natural rivals, particularly Maryland and Rutty. Our rivalry with Syracuse would never be the same, but it certainly be on better footing if we have a P5 home. Maybe our most interesting and contentious rival is BC - the ghost that won't play us.

You know, sometimes I think BC, along with UConn and Rutgers would make a great completion to the NE wing of the Big10. Good proximity to each other, past history, BC and UConn only true NE schools in major athletics. The hockey would be tremendous.



Then I come to my senses and remember it's BC we are talking about and I'm over it.

So the question is, what Eastern school would you like to join the Big10 with? The Big10 is becoming the Big 20 and you will be in a division with PSU, UMD, Rutgers, and the other new school. Who comes in with you?

 

[blue93]

You know, sometimes I think BC, along with UConn and Rutgers would make a great completion to the NE wing of the Big10. Good proximity to each other, past history, BC and UConn only true NE schools in major athletics. The hockey would be tremendous.



Then I come to my senses and remember it's BC we are talking about and I'm over it.

So the question is, what Eastern school would you like to join the Big10 with? The Big10 is becoming the Big 20 and you will be in a division with PSU, UMD, Rutgers, and the other new school. Who comes in with you?

Buffalo. Just to spite the rest of them.

 

[Exit 4]

You know, sometimes I think BC, along with UConn and Rutgers would make a great completion to the NE wing of the Big10. Good proximity to each other, past history, BC and UConn only true NE schools in major athletics. The hockey would be tremendous.



Then I come to my senses and remember it's BC we are talking about and I'm over it.

So the question is, what Eastern school would you like to join the Big10 with? The Big10 is becoming the Big 20 and you will be in a division with PSU, UMD, Rutgers, and the other new school. Who comes in with you?

UVA or VA Tech are probably the most realistic of the P5 or P6 schools to add as a rival for an expanded B1G.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

You know, sometimes I think BC, along with UConn and Rutgers would make a great completion to the NE wing of the Big10. Good proximity to each other, past history, BC and UConn only true NE schools in major athletics. The hockey would be tremendous.



Then I come to my senses and remember it's BC we are talking about and I'm over it.

So the question is, what Eastern school would you like to join the Big10 with? The Big10 is becoming the Big 20 and you will be in a division with PSU, UMD, Rutgers, and the other new school. Who comes in with you?

Twenty years ago, would have said Syracuse. But, they have no medical school, have lost AAU status, are faced with the shrinking population and stagnant economy of upstate NY, and are out muscled in "their" home turf of NYC by two larger, closer, state U's in Rutgers and UConn.

Thus, if the B1G wants pair of eastern schools, it hast to be one of the Virginia schools - UVA or v Tech, if they can be pried from the ACC. Both are big, state research Universities. Academically, UVA is on par with the B1G's best public, Michigan, with decent cores ports (football, basketball) and solid Olympic sports (soccer, lacrosse) whereas V Tech is growing academically (another rumored AAU wannabe) with very good football. The combination of Maryland with UVA or V Tech would lock-up the key DC (#9) and Baltimore TV markets (#26). Adding UConn also in combination with Rutgers plus the B1G Alumni network would make the B1G the leader in NYC (#1), own Hartford/New Haven (#30), plus a presence in Boston (#7) also.via UConn. This adds to the B1G's existing strength in Philly (#4) with Penn St. That leaves the ACC with a massive hole in its northern flank with BC isolated and just small markets north of the Mason-Dixon line elsewhere - #23 Pittsburgh, #50 Louisville & #81 Syracuse. That leaves the ACC with 1 big gun in the Northeast - ND, which is located 700 miles from Times Square.

This expansion would enable the B1G to print its own TV money based on these markets - #1 NYC, #3 Chicago, #4 Philly, #9 DC, #11 Detroit, #15 MSP, #17 Cleveland, #25 Indianapolis, #26 Baltimore, #30 Hartford/New Haven, #32 Columbus OH, #34 Cincinnati, #35 Milwaukee, #39 W Michigan, etc.

 

[SubbaBub]

I'm not sure enough people realize how big the B10 would be in the NE. The Big East may have started with Ewing, Rollie, and Mullen. It may have thrived with Miami, but it was UCONN that drove the bus once it got rolling. Calhoun outdid all the other hall of fame coaches once he got rolling.