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Virginia had to win the play-in game...won that...is a 10 seed. Just beat Iowa in double OT after being down
by 9 mid-4th quarter. Huge upset. Conceivably they might meet South Carolina in the final 8 game.
Would they have a shot in that one? If so...a darn little one.
 
AzzisBraids said:
Iowa as a #2 seed was misappropriation from the Selection Committee in the first place. Virginia is on a burner.
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It would be interesting to have a follow up conversation with the committee chair to hear their thoughts at the end of the tourney.

This year, we can't say upsets are rare however. We're getting some entertaining games this weekend.
 
Kymora Johnson reminds me of Skylar Diggins. Awesome player! I hope Coach Mox can hold on to her.
 
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triaddukefan said:
I have no problem with Iowa being a #2, they definitely deserved it. It's just that Duke should have been the #3 paired with them, that's my issue.
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Why worry about a #3 when you can’t beat a #10 play in team?
 
I can easily say Iowa 'earned' their #2 seed. I also think they easily deserved to be one of the 16 host schools, but really a #4 or maybe low #3 seed in the pairings. Kudos to Virginia for winning 3 games to advance to the Sweet 16--they more than deserved it. In the two games at home against 2 teams they were favored by 32 and 13 points, Iowa shot 39% FG, 19% 3's, 56% FT. For the season the numbers were
49/36/69; IMHO this points to the moment being too big for this group. They're a high-character resiliant bunch, but don't really possess a player or two that are capable of and willing to take the shot when it's win or go home. Heiden and Stuelke might be in that category but it's nearly impossible to fill that role as a post player. Will be really interesting to see who they can land out of the portal.
 
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my2cents said:
Two seeds don't lose games by 50 points.
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Iowa wasn’t even the least deserving 2 seed. They beat Michigan by 17 the day before UCLA trounced them and they beat Michigan in the regular season by 18.
 
bballnut90 said:
Iowa wasn’t even the least deserving 2 seed. They beat Michigan by 17 the day before UCLA trounced them and they beat Michigan in the regular season by 18.
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Teams are and should be seeded on the entire season, but Iowa's biggest nonconference win was by 5 over Baylor, a team Duke just blasted by 23.

Duke's recovery to 3 seed is remarkable, but I think we also have to consider that Iowa (and the rest of the Big Ten) has settled on an OOC approach of beating up on solid but nonthreatening midmajors that allows all of them to game the NET, then reinforce it with a conference slate of playing one another.
 
JstVisiting said:
Teams are and should be seeded on the entire season, but Iowa's biggest nonconference win was by 5 over Baylor, a team Duke just blasted by 23.

Duke's recovery to 3 seed is remarkable, but I think we also have to consider that Iowa (and the rest of the Big Ten) has settled on an OOC approach of beating up on solid but nonthreatening midmajors that allows all of them to game the NET, then reinforce it with a conference slate of playing one another.
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Singling out 'the best non-conference win' is a very cherry picked stat and doesn't reflect well for a lot of teams in the Sweet 16:
-Duke's best non-conference win is South Dakota State (and they lost to Baylor in the non-conference)
-Louisville's best non-conference win was over Colorado
-TCU's was over NC State
-Oklahoma's was over NC State
-North Carolina's was over Kansas State

The Big Ten has underperformed in the tournament but their teams do have some quality non-conference wins:
Ohio State beat West Virginia
Maryland beat Kentucky
Michigan blew out Notre Dame
Michigan State blew out Ole Miss
UCLA beat Oklahoma, North Carolina, and Duke


Iowa didn't schedule to the level of South Carolina or Texas but they did play the 10th toughest SOS in the nation. Furthermore, I don't see any case for any of Michigan or the 3 or 4 seeds to earn the spot over Iowa. Iowa wasn't a strong #2 seed but they deserved it.
 
Bjbod said:
I can easily say Iowa 'earned' their #2 seed. I also think they easily deserved to be one of the 16 host schools, but really a #4 or maybe low #3 seed in the pairings. Kudos to Virginia for winning 3 games to advance to the Sweet 16--they more than deserved it. In the two games at home against 2 teams they were favored by 32 and 13 points, Iowa shot 39% FG, 19% 3's, 56% FT. For the season the numbers were
49/36/69; IMHO this points to the moment being too big for this group. They're a high-character resiliant bunch, but don't really possess a player or two that are capable of and willing to take the shot when it's win or go home. Heiden and Stuelke might be in that category but it's nearly impossible to fill that role as a post player. Will be really interesting to see who they can land out of the portal.
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I would think the UCLA game in the conference finals had to have an effect on the team’s confidence. The Virginia loss is not as shocking to me as the performance against Farleigh Dickinson. Am I totally off base here?
 
bballnut90 said:
Singling out 'the best non-conference win' is a very cherry picked stat and doesn't reflect well for a lot of teams in the Sweet 16:
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It isn't a cherry picked stat; I referenced an entire slate of pretty good but generally non-threatening OOC opponents. It is common enough across the conference that it seems to be intentional.

Suspect someone ran numbers and sent a memo to coaches that wins over a bunch of opponents from 70 to 170 is better for the NET than 20 (L), 42 (L), 22 (w), 9 (L), 47 (W), and a bunch of tomato cans below 200.

With the generally more pronounced talent fall off in the women's game, a top 30 or 40 team is not at any realistically greater risk of losing at home to 120 than to 320, but it is calculated much differently in the NET.
 
Iluvacc2 said:
Kymora Johnson reminds me of Skylar Diggins. Awesome player! I hope Coach Mox can hold on to her.
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Johnson is from Charlottesville and loves Coach Mox and the team. They lose a lot but I still see her staying. Maybe if she's ahead of schedule and graduating early (Johnson's a junior) I could see her grad transferring but, again, I see her staying.
 
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Iluvacc2 said:
Kymora Johnson reminds me of Skylar Diggins. Awesome player! I hope Coach Mox can hold on to her.
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Probably can, especially after this season. Kymora grew up 2 miles from campus. Looks like it’s working out for all sides right now at least.
 
JstVisiting said:
It isn't a cherry picked stat; I referenced an entire slate of pretty good but generally non-threatening OOC opponents. It is common enough across the conference that it seems to be intentional.

Suspect someone ran numbers and sent a memo to coaches that wins over a bunch of opponents from 70 to 170 is better for the NET than 20 (L), 42 (L), 22 (w), 9 (L), 47 (W), and a bunch of tomato cans below 200.

With the generally more pronounced talent fall off in the women's game, a top 30 or 40 team is not at any realistically greater risk of losing at home to 120 than to 320, but it is calculated much differently in the NET.
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Well, I wouldn't single out any conference or think this is new. I still remember shortly after joining the Women's Basketball Coaches Association (as a supporter, which was something you could do in the 1990s) that we received a newsletter which included a lengthy anonymous article about how to game the RPI that was so important at the time. The suspicion was Pat Summitt for the author.

As the NCAA criteria change, so to does the various ideas on how to schedule to improve your metrics. If I could change anything it would be the way power teams refuse to challenge themselves.
 
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