13 teams in this year's field would be ineligible next year

[HooperScooper]

For APR issues if they keep the current rules. Including Syracuse.

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-men/hc-uconn-apr-0313-20120312,0,2902970.story

So how come we never hear about all the other schools that would be ineligible but we always hear how it's going to kill UConn? Syracuse is a high profile school also.

 

[caw]

Basically, because Syracuse will probably have it's APR scores up by the time the rules are fully in place. Syracuse is being given time to adjust to the new rules. The only school not given time to adjust is UConn.


http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...anel-approves-major-scholarship-rules-changes

During the first two years, 2012-13 and 2013-14, teams scoring below 900 on the four-year average would be ineligible for postseason play unless the averaged 930 on the two most recent years of data. In 2014-15, teams that do not hit the 930 mark would be ineligible unless they averaged 940 in the two most recent years. After that, everyone must hit 930, no exceptions.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

For APR issues if they keep the current rules. Including Syracuse.

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-men/hc-uconn-apr-0313-20120312,0,2902970.story

So how come we never hear about all the other schools that would be ineligible but we always hear how it's going to kill UConn? Syracuse is a high profile school also.

Because Uconn is the only school who would also be ineligible next year, when it actually matters. If we had our really bad APR score in 2009 instead of 2010, nobody would be talking about us.

 

[Huskyfan990411]

Was reading some stuff on ESPN about the APR and this quote just made me laugh and then get even more pissed about this BS APR system:

"That's unfortunate," Knight Commission member Len Elmore said. "It's a cautionary tale, but the need for, again, focusing on the true mission of the university is to graduate players and you can't fail at the most important task whether you're national champions or not."

So without knowing the full details of the APR system one would think the purpose of this system is to get kids to graduate college. Seems like a great idea until one realizes that Kentucky gets a great APR score every year.

I am at a loss for words about how worthless the NCAA truly is.

 

[willie99]

Was reading some stuff on ESPN about the APR and this quote just made me laugh and then get even more pissed about this BS APR system:

"That's unfortunate," Knight Commission member Len Elmore said. "It's a cautionary tale, but the need for, again, focusing on the true mission of the university is to graduate players and you can't fail at the most important task whether you're national champions or not."

So without knowing the full details of the APR system one would think the purpose of this system is to get kids to graduate college. Seems like a great idea until one realizes that Kentucky gets a great APR score every year.

I am at a loss for words about how worthless the NCAA truly is.

and for how uninformed the media is, thus making sure the public is totally in the dark

 

[UConn5]

They 2009-10 season is really the one that is killing us. When Elmore says it is unfortunate and is a cautionary tale he is being disingenuous. There is no way the commission made their changes w/out knowing it would be screwing over UConn.

 

[Huskyfan990411]

They 2009-10 season is really the one that is killing us. When Elmore says it is unfortunate and is a cautionary tale he is being disingenuous. There is no way the commission made their changes w/out knowing it would be screwing over UConn.

To top it off the NCAA uses 09-10 scores to determine eligibility for 12-13 because that makes sense. Just to put it into perspective Omar Calhoun was a sophomore in High School when these scores were used and now he is being punished. I am also confused how the 09-10 scores can be used to dock us scholarships and then re-used to hold the program out of the NCAA tournament after the minimum scores were updated to 930.

How can that be legal?

 

[HuskyBballFan]

To top it off the NCAA uses 09-10 scores to determine eligibility for 12-13 because that makes sense. Just to put it into perspective Omar Calhoun was a sophomore in High School when these scores were used and now he is being punished. I am also confused how the 09-10 scores can be used to dock us scholarships and then re-used to hold the program out of the NCAA tournament after the minimum scores were updated to 930.

How can that be legal?

The worst part of this whole thing is that one of the key NCAA guys was quoted as saying that some members of his committee felt that, even if it was logistically possible to use 2011-2012 scores to determine 2013 eligibility, they didn't want to make the change anyway.

You know why they don't want to change it? Because the clueless national media would have a field day writing stories about the "toothless NCAA" backing down to a power program like Uconn. You wouldn't see anybody (other than Jeff Jacobs of all people who has already writting this) writing stories about how it's only fair that the most current data be used. Blowhards like Pat Forde would just see this as Uconn being let off the hook.

 

[StoweD210]

Was reading some stuff on ESPN about the APR and this quote just made me laugh and then get even more pissed about this BS APR system:

"That's unfortunate," Knight Commission member Len Elmore said. "It's a cautionary tale, but the need for, again, focusing on the true mission of the university is to graduate players and you can't fail at the most important task whether you're national champions or not."

So without knowing the full details of the APR system one would think the purpose of this system is to get kids to graduate college. Seems like a great idea until one realizes that Kentucky gets a great APR score every year.

I am at a loss for words about how worthless the NCAA truly is.

If the "true mission" is to graduate players, then how does imposing a punishment that will likely lead to players leaving school prior to graduation make sense?

I don't know what the best punishment is for this situation. Maybe a monetary fine for the coaches or missing out on revenue from postseason tournaments. Punishing Omar Calhoun for something Mandeldove failed to do doesn't seem to fit with the "mission."

 

[HuskyBballFan]

If a player transfers (almost always for basketball reasons) and continues his education at another 4 year college, his school loses an APR point unless the player has > 2.6 gpa.

If a player leaves school to pursue a professional career and has no aspirations of ever actually graduating, his school does not lose an APR point unless the player essentially flunks out of school.

Yup, it's all about graduating players.

 

[Gurleyman]

What gets me is that the APR is such a small sample size for basketball. Your "current" score is basically the result of 15 or so people. We had two people in the current pool of athletes who missed academic time for medical/personal reasons (Price, Robinson) and a third (Miles) who really shouldn't count since we were already punished for him and he never played (not that you'd expect any favors from the NCAA over him - just saying). But when you're talking about a small sample size, a couple outlying situations can skew the numbers badly. Then we made some of our own mistakes with filling out our bench with some high risk academic guys like Smith and Mandeldove instead of maybe a decent high school player from Connecticut with good grades who would be happy to ride the bench for four years, be part of their state team, and graduate. That's where we didn't game the system to help ourselves.