Was that before or after Toner built Gampel Pavilion?UConn didn't get going as an athletic department until after he was forced out.
Was that before or after Toner built Gampel Pavilion?UConn didn't get going as an athletic department until after he was forced out.
I prefer to think he was corrupted in that Sodom and Gomorrah were refer to as Kansas.Agree 100%, Perkins did have a downside.
Lol, not this again. We've been through this ad nauseum.UConn didn't get going as an athletic department until after he was forced out.
He was also a pretty good football player in his own right. I don't think Edsall would have been hired a second time if Toner had been still around. Privately he was pretty hurt when Edsall bolted to Maryland.Lol, not this again. We've been through this ad nauseum.
Let's just put this bed here. During his tenure as UConn's athletic director Toner:
He had an outstanding career at UConn by any reasonable measure and yet was the most humble decent guy you'd ever want to meet.
- Joined the Big East
- Hired Geno Auriemma
- Hired Jim Calhoun
- Oversaw the funding and construction of Gampel
- Had two teams become national champions during his tenure
- Served as president of the NCAA
- He is on the wall as a Husky of Honor
- The National Football Foundation's award for excellence as an athletic director and "outstanding dedication to college athletics is called the John Toner Award. He was it first recipient.
He was seduced by the "dark side" and Darth Self.I prefer to think he was corrupted in that Sodom and Gomorrah were refer to as Kansas.
No. A guy shouldn't be allowed to moonlight for years while his own athletic department is crumbling around him. He was forced out for poor performance and did not hire Jim Calhoun. You should stop rewriting history.Lol, not this again. We've been through this ad nauseum.
Let's just put this bed here. During his tenure as UConn's athletic director Toner:
He had an outstanding career at UConn by any reasonable measure and yet was the most humble decent guy you'd ever want to meet.
- Joined the Big East
- Hired Geno Auriemma
- Hired Jim Calhoun
- Oversaw the funding and construction of Gampel
- Had two teams become national champions during his tenure
- Served as president of the NCAA
- He is on the wall as a Husky of Honor
- The National Football Foundation's award for excellence as an athletic director and "outstanding dedication to college athletics is called the John Toner Award. He was it first recipient.
You are saying a lot here, with absolutely no facts to back it up. Who did hire Calhoun then????? Who built Gampel Pavilion?????No. A guy shouldn't be allowed to moonlight for years while his own athletic department is crumbling around him. He was forced out for poor performance and did not hire Jim Calhoun. You should stop rewriting history.
Lol that is the history that you will find if you google the guy. The NCAA presidency was a part time job at that time. It was prestigious for UConn to have its AD in the role. Forced out? Lol. The guy retired after 17 years and put his name in the Wall of Honor.No. A guy shouldn't be allowed to moonlight for years while his own athletic department is crumbling around him. He was forced out for poor performance and did not hire Jim Calhoun. You should stop rewriting history.
I lived this and I'll go through it again. Calhoun was hired by a search committee of which Toner was a member. He was only on the committee as a face saving measure, there is no way he had the final call. And they didn't even break ground on Gampel until after he was done as AD.You are saying a lot here, with absolutely no facts to back it up. Who did hire Calhoun then????? Who built Gampel Pavilion?????
Maybe I'm pissed becuase I don't have to Google the guy, I know what he did real time without the whitewash. UConn willingly joined the world of big-time college basketball yet had an AD that still ran the place like a regional program. He still took pride in returning money to the school from the Athletic Dept. What kind of competent AD does that? After Corny Thompson graduated (the true father of UConn big-time basketball), the BB program turned to crap and UConn did nothing.Lol that is the history that you will find if you google the guy.....I’m not sure why you have such a woody for the guy, but you are the only one on the planet who does.
Lol, don't you get tired of being wrong on this? The guy retired after working 17 years as AD. They broke ground on his last day. Who do you thinking got the commitment to build it?I lived this and I'll go through it again. Calhoun was hired by a search committee of which Toner was a member. He was only on the committee as a face saving measure, there is no way he had the final call. And they didn't even break ground on Gampel until after he was done as AD.
You clearly are pissed, irrationally so. I love how you now are doubling down on the "he took another job" line of drivel. You know that NCAA president position was a part-time gig back then right? Every NCAA president did it part-time while working there full time university gig. But you know that right?Maybe I'm pissed becuase I don't have to Google the guy, I know what he did real time without the whitewash. UConn willingly joined the world of big-time college basketball yet had an AD that still ran the place like a regional program. He still took pride in returning money to the school from the Athletic Dept. What kind of competent AD does that? After Corny Thompson graduated (the true father of UConn big-time basketball), the BB program turned to crap and UConn did nothing.
Actually, he did worse than nothing, he took a 2nd job a 1,000 miles away without quitting the UConn job. And that's where he spent most of his time! How was that OK? And you think that's a feather in his cap! They had to do the same thing to Toner that they did to Hathaway to force him out. And only after he was out did UConn BB take off, to bring us back to my original, accurate comment.
Thank god we had John Toner there since his hiring Jim Calhoun is what put us on the path to being a basketball blue blood.
During his tenure as UConn's athletic director Toner:This is just plain nonsense. UConn BB would never have gone anywhere if Toner had stayed in control. He never wanted to fire Perno. He had the have to reins of power yanked from him for the school to move forward. He gets credit for hiring Geno. But Geno would have been gone the first chance he got if Toner is still there. Geno gets laughs now telling how he was forced to recruit using those crappy little State cars with the logo on both side doors. I bet he wasn't laughing then.
You've taken a lot of personal shots at me during our Toner discussions. I'm going to accuse you of bad faith. When have you ever honestly addressed Toner's departure? Have you ever acknowledged that committee report that eventually led to his "resignation"? The one that uncovered all his poor management? Is it really a "resignation" if keeping the job was not an option?
I have nothing personal against Toner except for the fact he ran my favorite team into the ground at a time when I was most attuned to it. It's more like Frank Grimes and Homer Simpson. Grimes just couldn't get over how people would cover for do-nothing like Homer. You just ignore how damaging he was and steps were needed to make things better. Bad faith.
This is just plain nonsense. UConn BB would never have gone anywhere if Toner had stayed in control. He never wanted to fire Perno. He had the have to reins of power yanked from him for the school to move forward. He gets credit for hiring Geno. But Geno would have been gone the first chance he got if Toner is still there. Geno gets laughs now telling how he was forced to recruit using those crappy little State cars with the logo on both side doors. I bet he wasn't laughing then.
You've taken a lot of personal shots at me during our Toner discussions. I'm going to accuse you of bad faith. When have you ever honestly addressed Toner's departure? Have you ever acknowledged that committee report that eventually led to his "resignation"? The one that uncovered all his poor management? Is it really a "resignation" if keeping the job was not an option?
I have nothing personal against Toner except for the fact he ran my favorite team into the ground at a time when I was most attuned to it. It's more like Frank Grimes and Homer Simpson. Grimes just couldn't get over how people would cover for do-nothing like Homer. You just ignore how damaging he was and steps were needed to make things better. Bad faith.
All you did is repost your previous post when I asked you to address the elephant in the room. That's bad faith. He's another fact, if there was a Boneyard in 1985 everyone would have been calling for Toner's head.Those are all facts. Your rebuttal? "I don't need facts I remember." Who's acting in bad faith?
Is a one liner a rant? The rant came from you in response to my 100% accurate one-liner. And my claim never changed. I know he "retired" but let's be serious. If your only two choices are leave or get fired, you were fired.(At least you've abandoned your claim that he was fired that you threw out the last time you launched into one of these rants.)
Ah, rob...nevermind.Was Perno all that bad a coach...
But wait, didn’t Toner hire Perno?I lived this and I'll go through it again. Calhoun was hired by a search committee of which Toner was a member. He was only on the committee as a face saving measure, there is no way he had the final call. And they didn't even break ground on Gampel until after he was done as AD.
All you did is repost your previous post when I asked you to address the elephant in the room. That's bad faith. He's another fact, if there was a Boneyard in 1985 everyone would have been calling for Toner's head.
Is a one liner a rant? The rant came from you in response to my 100% accurate one-liner. And my claim never changed. I know he "retired" but let's be serious. If your only two choices are leave or get fired, you were fired.
No he didn't!!! Only gave it his rubber stamp. Perno played for Dee Rowe back in the mid 60's, and became Rowe's top assistant after Jim Valvano recommended Perno for the job. When Rowe retired, the job was passed on to Perno.But wait, didn’t Toner hire Perno?
"Perno was a Guard for the Huskies from 1960-64 when the university participated in the Yankee Conference, which Connecticut won multiple times. In 1964 Perno led his team to an appearance in the NCAA Tournament where he stole the ball from Princeton’s Bill Bradley in the final seconds of the game to advance the Huskies to the Tournament’s Final Eight.Ah, rob...nevermind.
How about you stop your unilateral character assassination on a guy who was a good man and an excellent athletic director? It is just very odd.
Toner was a pretty good football coach, in his five short years as football coach his teams won the Yankee Conference Championship twice. The 2nd time they won it, Toner also doubled as Athletic Director.Toner was a good guy...but had a losing record at UConn
(20-24-3).
The fact that, after UConn, that he was NCAA President, and the Toner award was created two years after his NCAA retirement, lends me to believe that it was more about his NCAA status.