#11 Oregon @ #1 Stanford - 1/08/21

[bballnut90]

The take away from Oregon fans on social media is they are really proud of the team and the future direction they are heading.

They should be. They are incredibly inexperienced and have fought very hard in both losses, making big comebacks in the 4th after the game appeared to be out of reach. They've also been without arguably their best player in Sedona Prince for most of the season. Give them another year or two and they'll be a legitimate title favorite.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Watch it??

 

[Shades]

Watch it??

Am I the only one not getting the play button on these?

[edit: I see the play button on the quoted video but not the original posted video. Weird]

 

[Shades]

 

[DefenseBB]

Damn game time prevent me from watching it but the posts here were great to read and get a sense of action and tone of the game-thank you all that posted! Much appreciated.

Now, that said, in reading the box score and this results of the PAC12 season thus far, I have to put Haley Jones in the lead for Conference POY and close between Oneywere and McDonald for 2nd and 3rd. Thoughts?

 

[LOhunter]

Mikesell 3-12 and 0-3 from three point territory. She was prone to have games like this when she was at Maryland.

Both Mikesell and Sabally were/are very streaky and inefficient on the offensive side. Sabally at least is a strong defender and rebounder but no way should she be the first option on offense. Oregon needs to go back to last year’s offense that focused on more of an outside game and driven by guard play and pick and rolls. All of Sabally’s shots are within the paint but she constantly has shot less than 50 percent. She continues to rush whenever she is guarded (which is all the time) causing missed layups and caused excessive turnovers. Was hoping that this was due to her long layoff but doesn’t seem to be getting better. Needs to realize that with her superior height and strength, very few will be able to stop her shot once she has position in the low post.

As far as Mikesell, Parrish should be starting over her. Superior height, better defender, can create off the dribble and more consistent outside shot. Better player.

 

[TheFarmFan]

Work keeping me too busy to watch the game yet, but wow I’m proud. Apparently they’ve been without Lexie, Jump, and Jerome all week so they didn’t have ten to practice and the younger coaches had to play in practice. And they haven’t been back home since Thanksgiving. Really proud of them keeping calm and carrying on through so much adversity.

 

[DefenseBB]

Work keeping me too busy to watch the game yet, but wow I’m proud. Apparently they’ve been without Lexie, Jump, and Jerome all week so they didn’t have ten to practice and the younger coaches had to play in practice. And they haven’t been back home since Thanksgiving. Really proud of them keeping calm and carrying on through so much adversity.

We’ve talked quite a bit about how talented and deep this team is/was but what we didn’t mention was how much heart and perseverance this team has to not just survive all the limitations on home games/practices, living on the road for as long as they have but to play as well and consistently as they have during this. I eventually believe you will agree with me this is one of Stanford’s best teams ever, top 3 in my book and if they can win the title will have earned the #1 Stanford top team moniker over Jen Azzi or Molly Goodenbour teams. Just sayin’

 

[nwhoopfan]

Sabally has done a nice job stopping the Stanford bigs. Held Belibi, Brink, and Prechtel in check.

That went both ways. Sabally had 6 points early in Q1, then pretty much disappeared the rest of the game. Prechtel swatted her a couple times, Brink got her once. I thought Prechtel quite clearly was outplaying Sabally when they were both on the floor.

 

[cancontent]

We’ve talked quite a bit about how talented and deep this team is/was but what we didn’t mention was how much heart and perseverance this team has to not just survive all the limitations on home games/practices, living on the road for as long as they have but to play as well and consistently as they have during this. I eventually believe you will agree with me this is one of Stanford’s best teams ever, top 3 in my book and if they can win the title will have earned the #1 Stanford top team moniker over Jen Azzi or Molly Goodenbour teams. Just sayin’

Well said. This team's ability to play the way they have has been impressive. I don't know if I'd have the mettle to manage like they have.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Haven't seen anyone mention Van Gytenbeek, she really gave Stanford a lift. 3-3 from the floor, 2-2 behind the arc. Came in averaging about 2 pts/game, her 8 were big for the Card today. Also Anna Wilson nearly had a double-double and was 3-4 behind the arc.

 

[nwhoopfan]

It's kinda painful seeing Kiana Williams missing so many shots. I know she's a good player, but the shots just aren't dropping this year. She warmed up for a couple games, but has gone cold again.

 

[DefenseBB]

It's kinda painful seeing Kiana Williams missing so many shots. I know she's a good player, but the shots just aren't dropping this year. She warmed up for a couple games, but has gone cold again.

I just watched the replay on the PAC12 network and I was thinking 3-13, 0-6 from 3 pt, 1 assist, 6 turnovers and some ill timed shots early in the clock that were not clean open looks, this is not a clutch player. I stated it in the Wooden watch thread the other day, while Kiana was clearly the leader last year, this year she is not a player worthy of that list.
That said, she was pretty clutch at the foul line at the end of the game.

 

[CompSci87]

She was pretty clutch last year!

 

[CocoHusky]

Work keeping me too busy to watch the game yet, but wow I’m proud. Apparently they’ve been without Lexie, Jump, and Jerome all week so they didn’t have ten to practice and the younger coaches had to play in practice. And they haven’t been back home since Thanksgiving. Really proud of them keeping calm and carrying on through so much adversity.

Don't know how to break this to you but coaches, assistants and other staff are not allowed to jump in and practice under any circumstances.

 

[jonson]

That went both ways. Sabally had 6 points early in Q1, then pretty much disappeared the rest of the game. Prechtel swatted her a couple times, Brink got her once. I thought Prechtel quite clearly was outplaying Sabally when they were both on the floor.

According to Graves after the game, Sabally was "under the weather" and had to "push through" as best she could. Her play at this point (more accurately, some issues regarding her play) is reminiscent of her sister as a freshman: traveling violations (I wonder if that gets called in Europe), dribbling into trouble, rushing shots, etc. It's easy to forget that she is essentially also a freshman and I don't think the staff envisioned starting her when the season began. But she has been turning in a double/double most games and, like her sister, will only get better.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

Don't know how to break this to you but coaches, assistants and other staff are not allowed to jump in and practice under any circumstances.

Is that a new rule? Jolette Law routinely practiced with Rutgers when she was there, over 20 years ago, actually saw her in action, she was probably in her 30's, faster than several of the RU players.

 

[willtalk]

According to Graves after the game, Sabally was "under the weather" and had to "push through" as best she could. Her play at this point (more accurately, some issues regarding her play) is reminiscent of her sister as a freshman: traveling violations (I wonder if that gets called in Europe), dribbling into trouble, rushing shots, etc. It's easy to forget that she is essentially also a freshman and I don't think the staff envisioned starting her when the season began. But she has been turning in a double/double most games and, like her sister, will only get better.

She was better in this game then she was against UCLA. It sort of makes sense that she was not feeling well. If so it might have affected her game against the Bruins as well. I believe that Oregon really missed Prince in the games against UCLA and Stanford because Sabally was really subpar.

I think Greaves is a very good coach, but some of his rotation decisions have been questionable in the past as well. His coice to leave Mikesell in being on example of that. When you have a shooting specialist who is cold why leave them in. Does he expect them to suddenly break out of their slump midgame? Neither Mikesell or Boly have been shooting welll for weeks.

I also have been impressed with his second unite comprised of freshman. They have often out played his first unit.

 

[Jorislove]

Both Mikesell and Sabally were/are very streaky and inefficient on the offensive side. Sabally at least is a strong defender and rebounder but no way should she be the first option on offense. Oregon needs to go back to last year’s offense that focused on more of an outside game and driven by guard play and pick and rolls. All of Sabally’s shots are within the paint but she constantly has shot less than 50 percent. She continues to rush whenever she is guarded (which is all the time) causing missed layups and caused excessive turnovers. Was hoping that this was due to her long layoff but doesn’t seem to be getting better. Needs to realize that with her superior height and strength, very few will be able to stop her shot once she has position in the low post.

As far as Mikesell, Parrish should be starting over her. Superior height, better defender, can create off the dribble and more consistent outside shot. Better player.

I think you nailed it with Oregon here. Sabally is pretty much a turnover machine and has missed quite a few shots when she does have the ball. In reality, like someone said, she is basically a freshman right now and just doesn't have the precise accuracy. Very out of control when she has the ball. BUT she seems to be the #1 option for Oregon right now so she has to rely on the strength and keep pounding the ball. Boley, Chavez and Shelley has returners really should be stepping up and being the top option for them.

Mikesell had such a hot start to the year but has been hot and cold now, I also think Parrish (who had the opposite problem) should be starting over her.

 

[CocoHusky]

Is that a new rule? Jolette Law routinely practiced with Rutgers when she was there, over 20 years ago, actually saw her in action, she was probably in her 30's, faster than several of the RU players.

When a team doesn't have enough healthy players to scrimmage or run 5 X 5 shell drills can't just throw in an assistant coach or staff member to those drills to have enough healthy bodies. That is one of the reason Autumn is on the team this year and the Briana Pulido & Tierney Lawlor were necessary additions for the 2013-14 squad. More recently Oregon committed a violation because the WBB strength and conditioning staff participated in on court activities.

 

[Figurehead]

Don't know how to break this to you but coaches, assistants and other staff are not allowed to jump in and practice under any circumstances.

When a team doesn't have enough healthy players to scrimmage or run 5 X 5 shell drills can't just throw in an assistant coach or staff member to those drills to have enough healthy bodies. That is one of the reason Autumn is on the team this year and the Briana Pulido & Tierney Lawlor were necessary additions for the 2013-14 squad. More recently Oregon committed a violation because the WBB strength and conditioning staff participated in on court activities.

Coco, In a COVID year was this rule relaxed? That is coaches allowed to practice? Oregon State has been doing the same for almost a month now.
See around 1:45 mark below

 

[Figurehead]

No idea if the rule was relaxed, but it'd be quite counterproductive to try to enforce it this year, since schools should be encouraged to follow contact tracing and hold players out in an abundance of caution. But if doing so meant the rest of the team couldn't even practice for two weeks, that would create quite a bad perverse incentive to look the other way.

I would think it would be spelled out somewhere but some of you are good at researching this. Obviously, it is a yes they can or no they can’t answer for this season.

 

[jonson]

Both Mikesell and Sabally were/are very streaky and inefficient on the offensive side. Sabally at least is a strong defender and rebounder but no way should she be the first option on offense. Oregon needs to go back to last year’s offense that focused on more of an outside game and driven by guard play and pick and rolls. All of Sabally’s shots are within the paint but she constantly has shot less than 50 percent. She continues to rush whenever she is guarded (which is all the time) causing missed layups and caused excessive turnovers. Was hoping that this was due to her long layoff but doesn’t seem to be getting better. Needs to realize that with her superior height and strength, very few will be able to stop her shot once she has position in the low post.

As far as Mikesell, Parrish should be starting over her. Superior height, better defender, can create off the dribble and more consistent outside shot. Better player.

Nyara is actually shooting about 55% from the field (as well as averaging a bit over 8 rebounds/game). And, overall, she is further along at this point than I think the staff expected. Two years off is a big hurdle and she still wears a brace on her oft injured leg. But, you are right, she does tend to rush (Graves has said this also) and turns the ball over far too often (2nd highest number on the team). Playing a higher level of competition the past two games has exacerbated both. The good news is that, like her sister, she is well aware of her weaknesses (Satou also turned the ball over far too often early in her time at Oregon) and will work hard to address them. I don't think Oregon can go back to anything similar to last year's offense without Nyara (or someone else) being more successful inside (see Hebard).

I agree completely about Mikesell, and in his postgame comments Graves seemed to suggest that Parrish may be starting soon. (He's also been quite positive about Scherr.) To me, the situation is reminiscent of his decision to move Satou S. into the starting lineup about 8 games into her freshman season. It changed the team dramatically. Maybe this will do the same.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

When a team doesn't have enough healthy players to scrimmage or run 5 X 5 shell drills can't just throw in an assistant coach or staff member to those drills to have enough healthy bodies. That is one of the reason Autumn is on the team this year and the Briana Pulido & Tierney Lawlor were necessary additions for the 2013-14 squad. More recently Oregon committed a violation because the WBB strength and conditioning staff participated in on court activities.

I am having trouble finding a rule regarding the actual "countable" coaches (head coach and 3 assistants) being restricted in regular practices. They are severely restricted in out-of-season activities. Similarly, anyone else that might be called "coach" but is not one of the 4 coaches is prohibited from being involved in practice entirely; strength and conditioning coaches are not able to participate in team practice either. Some positions are permitted to "observe". Conversely, managers are generally permitted to participate in various ways.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

Coco, In a COVID year was this rule relaxed? That is coaches allowed to practice? Oregon State has been doing the same for almost a month now.
See around 1:45 mark below

I didn't get chance to watch the video - as I noted in my previous post, I can't find a rule restricting the regular coaching staff's participation in practice. Apparently, this season, you can have up to 2 other staff participate in practice (they cannot "teach" or "coach") replacing the roles that manager's typically fill. You can only do this if you have less managers because of Covid.