I have confirmed UConnJim’s nightmare scenario that the “retiring” Butler AD is on the MBB Selection Committee 2 more seasons. Both him and Val Ackerman, who created this nightmare, need to resign or be terminated ASAP. The Big East will not survive either tenure, if allowed. Write the college President at this point.
“Retiring” Butler AD is Big East Rep on Selection Committee 2 More Seasons
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I think the Big East disrespect narrative is a little overblown at this point, but I'm inclined to agree that he should step down. Even something as simple as "three Big East teams were in the first four out" would have been enough to show a little bit of respect to the conference, but they have St. John's as like the 19th team out after they finished top 25 on KP.
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The Big East more than the other conferences needs to have an aggressive approach to the tournament committees. The revenue from the tournament for BE teams is a much higher % of total revenue than the larger conferences. The appointment to the committee shouldn't be treated like a "gold watch" retirement gift.
I think it’s got to be about public pressure at this point. Who knows how much this unnecessary circus has deflated the new TV contract? Never mind the loss of tournament revenue? But, more than anything else it is damage to the brand.
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According to Pitino - his team doesn't work hard
Also, who really cares what happens to any other team besides one which a family member plays or UConn?
Bottom line - UConn remaining in the NBE is the travesty.
U do realize that more teams = mo money to divide
We got the most screwed with 4 of the 6 top conference Champions in our bracket. All 4 were in the top ten vs. 6 teams in the top 10 for the other 3 brackets, so on average the 3 brackets had 2 top 10 teams but the East had 4, or twice as many. Yet, the over-all #1 seed is suppose to be rewarded with the easiest bracket. Crazy and Lazy committee.
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I think it’s a little more involved than just crazy and lazy. All the other conferences play football ( $$$). I don’t think anyone gives a flying fk about the Beast. And don’t think the “power” conferences want to have to answer why the crown jewel of men’s and women’s basketball is languishing in a college version of the CYO. It doesn’t make the decision makers who decide conference realignment look good especially when there are so many other schools raking in way more money than UConn and winning nothing. Kinda like the good old boys club, and there’s absolutely no excuse whatsoever for UConn to be where they are. I’ve been following college basketball “ UConn “since I was 10 and I’ve never seen the overall #1 team come close to getting screwed as bad as we just did. At least the talking heads at ESPN are talking nonstop about this. It’s been 100% criticism about the brackets.
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he Big East could not have been more disrespected. It's rock bottom bad
ST John's >>>>>>>>>>>>> VA in every metric known to mankind, and St John's would arguably be the best team in the 6 bid Mountain West
Metrics, eye test, talent, coaching and strong finish (something the women's chairperson actually cited for them, so don't give me that the bfinish doesn;t matter poppycock, that's nerd talk)... the biggest problem for St John's is that they had to play us three times
Then the stumbling bumbling idiots put the best 1, the best 2, the best 3 and the best 4 seeds in the same bracket. They should all be publically humiliated
I hate cheaters and cheating and / or incompetence. And I have no respect for nerd speak
ST John's >>>>>>>>>>>>> VA in every metric known to mankind, and St John's would arguably be the best team in the 6 bid Mountain West
Metrics, eye test, talent, coaching and strong finish (something the women's chairperson actually cited for them, so don't give me that the bfinish doesn;t matter poppycock, that's nerd talk)... the biggest problem for St John's is that they had to play us three times
Then the stumbling bumbling idiots put the best 1, the best 2, the best 3 and the best 4 seeds in the same bracket. They should all be publically humiliated
I hate cheaters and cheating and / or incompetence. And I have no respect for nerd speak
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The 4 teams that made the BET Final 4 should have all made the NCAAs and Creighton would have been 5. Its beyond ridiculous what happened and then there was our bracket. Val and the Butler rep at the committee got depantsed on a national stage. The BE statement was beyond weak. The BE needs a new leader.
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It strikes at the integrity of the game. And you still have to explain the Mountain West getting 6 bids while the Big East got 3. Virginia is such a stretch using any possible metric. You can’t do this poor a job of you tried. But, Ackerman used the Big East Selection Committee Rep slot as a retirement gift - so she should be shown the door now! She disrespected every coach, player and fan in her conference, never mind the loss of revenue.
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I'm more concerned with the marketing of the Big East. Some of you may not like this comment, but Aresco was a huge advocate for the AAC. He invented the term P6 which got some traction and he talked to anybody with a mic to promote the league. I have to say, I'm really disappointed in Ackerman.
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1 - We (the BE) got out outmaneuvered and outworked in the selection committee room. We got owned.
2 - The BE sucks at marketing it's premier product.
3 - Our Commish never saw this coming due to the fact that we don't have to play ruthless hardball around football.
2 - The BE sucks at marketing it's premier product.
3 - Our Commish never saw this coming due to the fact that we don't have to play ruthless hardball around football.
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So much of the league marketing is history and nostalgia, much of which involves programs who are no longer here.
The league is good! Promote what we have now!
Yes, and how many times can Val Ackerman get out maneuvered and out work before there are consequences?
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Big East makes more money based on games played, less teams in less money for Big East.
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I was convinced the AAC wasn’t going to stick around for very long as soon as it was announced. Everything from the name, schools and general mood of the public made it feel like it was a thrown together temporary landing spot to deal with the realignment. Given the situation it is remarkable how Aresco has kept that sinking ship floating for so long.
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What appeared to be clear to me was that a) the committe refused to acknowledge that the ACC was as bad this year as they truly were (mediocre on a level I never could have previously imagined) and they refused to acknowledge that the Big East (outside of the top three teams) was a legitimate major conference (which for the most part it was). This is something we should be very concerned with.
Yes we do. Sadly (by the official response) it appears that the leadership is so worried that if they don't play nice, those in charge will take away rthe few scraps they leave for the conference, they are unwilling to ruffle any feathers.
The four teams that made the BET final four and the team that finished fourth in regular season conference play all warranted bids (and seeding ahead of UVA).
This is the one thing that doesn't bother me. In fact, part of me wishes they had tried to stack the deck even further to our disadvantage, giggled amongst themselves saying "We got them. They'll never make it through this gauntlet" only to be disapponted when we march through the bracker like Sherman through the south.
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Expanding on my thought:
How often during BE broadcasts do you hear, like, Gus Johnson lament "man, Syracuse really should get back in this conference" rather than talking about how Creighton and Marquette are perennial top 15 teams, how Villanova dominated the sport for 6-7 years and then passed the torch to UConn.
So much of Big East coverage is about the 80s and 90s instead of now. It's embarrassing, frankly, and it doesn't need to be. This league isn't like Indiana or UCLA reliving the glory days as they fade into irrelevance today.
I also couldn’t reply. Don’t count on a response from the president of the university. I sent an email asking why a student organization was involved with vandalism in a Connecticut town. Crickets
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Barry Collier announced his retirement in Nov 2023 effective April 2024. That's what I read. Surely they will have to find a replacement, no? How can they have someone who is not even a representative of that a school in the conference on the selection committee.
Obviously, I hope you are right, but it is
hard to understand how increasing the degree of game difficulty improves outcomes. Because it is such a dream season sometimes I think we may forget how difficult it is to repeat - you not only need to be good but you need to be lucky too with officiating, injuries, shooting, etc. I don’t understand how reducing our expected margin of victory doesn’t hurt us, when some of these variables go negative.
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Bizarre as it sounds, it is a three year term. I too hope that after this total disaster, some face saving narrative can be developed where he resigns from the Selection Committtee to spend more time with his family or whatever BS excuse they can agree on.
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It is a very important position and we need someone talented, hard working and a person who can influence others. It should never be a 3 year retirement gift.
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Part of me wonders if this is more lobbying or laziness inside the committee room. If you look at the seeding and the teams who made it outside the auto bids, it fits much more in line with what seeding would’ve looked like before all the tournaments were played. Iowa state, auburn, FAU, and Dayton being a few prime examples. PC (who sucks and shouldn’t be in the tournament IMO) and St John’s both helped their cases in the big east tourney, but it’s Seton Hall that is the only one in the first four out.
That’s not to say I don’t believe there’s not any lobbying going on in there given how corrupt the NCAA has proven to be time and time again.
That’s not to say I don’t believe there’s not any lobbying going on in there given how corrupt the NCAA has proven to be time and time again.
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