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[DDaileyuconn]

Everybody say it's football that moves college sports, power 5 this power 5 that, we'll come March madness those conferences ain't shi;()5t, they should bow down and kiss Uconn rings, asking us to join there conference ASAP, tomorrow KY vs IU and Kansas vs Uconn, , guess what game is the prime time game.

Go Uconn

 

[ElGuapo]

 

[UConnTrumbull]

I wish it were that simple.

 

[Stinger92860]

When provided with opportunity and an even playing field, the non P5 schools can compete. The same would happen in football.

 

[billybud]

15 of the 32 teams that are moving to the round of 32 are not from a P5

13 out of 32 games, the lower seed won, close to half.

 

[billybud]

P5 Performance so far:

The ACC held serve, guaranteeing some tournament credits with six teams still active and more games to come.

The Big 12 lost four of six in the first round.

The Pac is having a poor tourney so far....five of six lost in first round

The B1G has two of four going forward

The SEC has one team alive.


It looks like a P5 vs non P5 battle looming shortly...

...Kansas vs UConn

...Maryland vs Hawaii

....Wichita St vs Miami

....Iowa vs Villanova

 

[4in16]

P5 Performance so far:

The ACC held serve, guaranteeing some tournament credits with six teams still active and more games to come.

The Big 12 lost four of six in the first round.

The Pac is having a poor tourney so far....five of six lost in first round

The B1G has two of four going forward

The SEC has one team alive.


It looks like a P5 vs non P5 battle looming shortly...

...Kansas vs UConn

...Maryland vs Hawaii

....Wichita St vs Miami

....Iowa vs Villanova

The Pac12 had 7 teams were 2-5.

 

[storrsroars]

The Pac12 had 7 teams were 2-5.

B1G = 4-3

 

[John Greene]

Every Spring we get fresh evidence that when it comes to CR, BB does not matter.

That evidence is called the NCAA Men's Basket Ball Tournament. If BB did matter the old BE would have been poaching teams from other conferences when it was in its heyday. Instead it was itself torn apart because some of the members had a history of playing football. Even if they had not done much in a couple of decades they had a long association with the Fall sport so off they went. FB not only drove the bus it also decided who got a ticket to ride the bus.

 

[dwalks93]

Every Spring we get fresh evidence that when it comes to CR, BB does not matter.

FB not only drove the bus it also decided who got a ticket to ride the bus.

Football did not drive the bus...money drove the bus. Unfortunately the big money was in football not basketball.

The big mistake conferences like the ACC and Big12 made was assuming "football drove the bus" so better football teams would be better additions. The reality is UT is a more valuable program than TCU even if TCU beats them in football for the next 10 years. If more people are willing to pay to see UT lose as opposed to TCU win then UT is the more valuable team...its money not football.

If you look at the conferences struggling without a network it is because they expanded for "football cache" and not based on regional fan bases and the ability to sell a network. Rutgers "got a ticket to ride the (BIG) bus" and it had nothing to do with football and everything to do with money.

 

[UCFBfan]

P5 Performance so far:

The ACC held serve, guaranteeing some tournament credits with six teams still active and more games to come.

The Big 12 lost four of six in the first round.

The Pac is having a poor tourney so far....five of six lost in first round

The B1G has two of four going forward

The SEC has one team alive.

What tournament are you watching???

The Big 12 lost 4 of 7 (3 teams still alive not 2)

The SEC has two teams left and only had two in the tournament (I'm not counting Vandy in the play in games)

Someone already corrected your Pac 12 numbers

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

The big mistake conferences like the ACC and Big12 made was assuming "football drove the bus" so better football teams would be better additions. The reality is UT is a more valuable program than TCU even if TCU beats them in football for the next 10 years. If more people are willing to pay to see UT lose as opposed to TCU win then UT is the more valuable team...its money not football.

Extend the reality to big, large student body and alumni, public, Land Grant, broad support within and beyond state borders by current and past state residents, alumni, etc., broad success across athletic department versus small school, small student body and alumni, private, limited at best to no support beyond current students and alumni, marginal success across athletic departments, etc., e.g., Wake, syracuse, bcu, Baylor, Vandy.

 

[John Greene]

Football did not drive the bus...money drove the bus. Unfortunately the big money was in football not basketball.

The big mistake conferences like the ACC and Big12 made was assuming "football drove the bus" so better football teams would be better additions. The reality is UT is a more valuable program than TCU even if TCU beats them in football for the next 10 years. If more people are willing to pay to see UT lose as opposed to TCU win then UT is the more valuable team...its money not football.

If you look at the conferences struggling without a network it is because they expanded for "football cache" and not based on regional fan bases and the ability to sell a network. Rutgers "got a ticket to ride the (BIG) bus" and it had nothing to do with football and everything to do with money.

When it comes to CR the words are interchangeable. Not winning football but just being a known quantity in football so that the casual fan living more than 25 miles from the school's campus connects the name of the school with the game. Even RU, as horrible as they were for decades, was seen as a 'football school' by a lot of the NY/NJ metro. That made them attractive.

UConn on the other hand with a MBB program that has to rank in the top5 over the last 20 years and the top WBB program in history, is praying that a conference whose center of gravity is 15oo miles from Storrs will throw us a life line.

 

[dayooper]

Football did not drive the bus...money drove the bus. Unfortunately the big money was in football not basketball.

The big mistake conferences like the ACC and Big12 made was assuming "football drove the bus" so better football teams would be better additions. The reality is UT is a more valuable program than TCU even if TCU beats them in football for the next 10 years. If more people are willing to pay to see UT lose as opposed to TCU win then UT is the more valuable team...its money not football.

If you look at the conferences struggling without a network it is because they expanded for "football cache" and not based on regional fan bases and the ability to sell a network. Rutgers "got a ticket to ride the (BIG) bus" and it had nothing to do with football and everything to do with money.

Football does drive the bus because it's where the P5 schools get their money. Even Swofford admits that football provides 80%-85% of their revenue, with basketball being the other 15%. It's what allows the conferences to have conference networks and, through media fees and ticket sales, provides income for the department. Even the tv numbers tell that tale.

The overwhelming majority of college basketball regular season games barely registered in the ratings, with nearly 60 percent earning a rating of 0.0 or 0.1 . More than three-quarters of the games had a rating of 0.5 or lower.

Of the 979 regular season games examined by Sports Media Watch (excludes seven games for which ratings were unavailable), only 25 had a rating of 1.5 or higher. That includes both Duke/North Carolina games and the Big Ten Tournament title game, each of which had a season-high 2.6.

For a reference, this years OSU/Rutgers game drew a 3.0. People will watch football. It's what allows networks to force cable carriers to carry the network. The SECN was very quick to get everyone aboard because the football crazy SEC would have switched to those carriers that would carry it.

Even with their tiny footprint, the Big12 had a 5.0 tv rating this past year. TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma and Okie St were all top five teams at some point this past year. For all of the ACC's bluster about footprint, they only had a 6.1. The lack of football "cache" is what's preventing the ACC from having a network. There's no desire to have one. If FSU and Clemson were leaving unless The ACC brought in football "cache," then they made the right decision. The ACC would have been fatally damaged if those two left and UConn providing the NYC market wouldn't have stopped it.

If there is going to be a Big12 Network, it's because of football. UConn will help it make money, but it's the football "cache" that will make it happen.

 

[Ldandy]

Good luck tonight Huskies! While my attention will be on MSG Tonight for The Wrestling Finals, I'll be monitoring the crawl to see how your game is going.

 

[kemba]

When it comes to CR the words are interchangeable. Not winning football but just being a known quantity in football so that the casual fan living more than 25 miles from the school's campus connects the name of the school with the game. Even RU, as horrible as they were for decades, was seen as a 'football school' by a lot of the NY/NJ metro. That made them attractive.

UConn on the other hand with a MBB program that has to rank in the top5 over the last 20 years and the top WBB program in history, is praying that a conference whose center of gravity is 15oo miles from Storrs will throw us a life line.

The only thing that makes Rutgers a "football school" is that their basketball program is such a joke.

They got in strictly because of location. Nothing to do with being a known quantity.

 

[ruthetiger]

The only thing that makes Rutgers a "football school" is that their basketball program is such a joke.

They got in strictly because of location. Nothing to do with being a known quantity.

True! Fwiw, it will take done time to make some sports competetive. It will take time.

 

[NickyNewark]

Great opinions....solid fanbase,in state talent and location made RU a no brainer after the decade long bowl run....the B1G had their opening and grabbed it.....win-win... I don't know what would've happened had we no bowl run?

 

[Adios]

Great opinions....solid fanbase,in state talent and location made RU a no brainer after the decade long bowl run....the B1G had their opening and grabbed it.....win-win... I don't know what would've happened had we no bowl run?

The Big Ten would have come up with a different plan that doesn't look as embarrassing.

 

[John Greene]

Football does drive the bus because it's where the P5 schools get their money. Even Swofford admits that football provides 80%-85% of their revenue, with basketball being the other 15%. It's what allows the conferences to have conference networks and, through media fees and ticket sales, provides income for the department. Even the tv numbers tell that tale.




For a reference, this years OSU/Rutgers game drew a 3.0. People will watch football. It's what allows networks to force cable carriers to carry the network. The SECN was very quick to get everyone aboard because the football crazy SEC would have switched to those carriers that would carry it.

Even with their tiny footprint, the Big12 had a 5.0 tv rating this past year. TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma and Okie St were all top five teams at some point this past year. For all of the ACC's bluster about footprint, they only had a 6.1. The lack of football "cache" is what's preventing the ACC from having a network. There's no desire to have one. If FSU and Clemson were leaving unless The ACC brought in football "cache," then they made the right decision. The ACC would have been fatally damaged if those two left and UConn providing the NYC market wouldn't have stopped it.

If there is going to be a Big12 Network, it's because of football. UConn will help it make money, but it's the football "cache" that will make it happen.

Conference tournaments and a 68 team NCAA tournament have turned the BB regular season into a long exhibition season. Few of the games have any meaning unless a school is up against a long time rival. For years SEC officials and school administrators have pointed out the importance of "protecting" the value of the regular FB season whenever an idea to change the post season has come up. They understand that the value of their network contracts, as well as selling tickets to their mostly huge stadiums, depend on fans around the country continuing to believe that many regular season games determine more than tournament ranking.

 

[storrsroars]

The only thing that makes Rutgers a "football school" is that their basketball program is such a joke.

They got in strictly because of location. Nothing to do with being a known quantity.

What makes Rutgers a football school comes down to something as simple as the answer to a trivia question that almost every college sports fan knows.

"What schools played in the first game of college football?"

Ergo, Rutty and Princeton trump every other school when it comes to football history.

 

[dayooper]

Conference tournaments and a 68 team NCAA tournament have turned the BB regular season into a long exhibition season. Few of the games have any meaning unless a school is up against a long time rival. For years SEC officials and school administrators have pointed out the importance of "protecting" the value of the regular FB season whenever an idea to change the post season has come up. They understand that the value of their network contracts, as well as selling tickets to their mostly huge stadiums, depend on fans around the country continuing to believe that many regular season games determine more than tournament ranking.

Absolutely correct.

 

[MattMang23]

True! Fwiw, it will take done time to make some sports competetive. It will take time.

Yeah, like the last 100-something years? It's not like you were ever competitive in the Big East.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Great opinions....solid fanbase,in state talent and location made RU a no brainer after the decade long bowl run....the B1G had their opening and grabbed it.....win-win... I don't know what would've happened had we no bowl run?

Just for fun I pulled up a 2013 post of mine elsewhere:

Here's how the B1G and ACC football additions fared over the last 6 years (2007-2012?):

40 35 Louisville
30 44 Cuse
44 32 Pitt

114 111 Total for new ACC schools


47 30 Rutgers
31 43 Maryland

78 73 Total for new Big Ten schools

Louisville gets quite a bit of hype while Rutgers, with the better record, gets none. And yes, this specific time period favored Rutgers, but nevertheless, it is somewhat interesting that Rutgers gets zero love.

 

[FDNY99]

Nicky..you were WAY off base. You really need to read up on your bb history my friend...Dee Rowe was a VERY good basketball coach...his successor Dom Perno..you could say Dom was in over his head. So on your UConn basketball comment..you are definitely WRONG!!