"We can't afford to have conference affiliation governed by emotion."

in his memo, the FSU president said "the estimate is that the travel by plane required by FSU to be in the Big 12 appears to exceed the $2.9M difference in the contract -- actually giving us fewer dollars than we have now to be competitive with the Big 12 teams, who obviously do not have to travel as far"

it doesn't sound like they plan on being reimbursed for anything

You have to stop quoting responsible adults with direct knowledge to the internet generation. It just confuses them.

If they've heard something else on the internet, whether they can source it or not (forget about even how reliable the source may be), it is presumably true.

Barron is starting to hedge on the costs being greater than the benefits, his quote, but my boldface.....

"At least half of the emails I'm getting are saying that this $2.9 million is too much to give up," Barron said. "This was my attempt to explain that there are a lot of factors to consider. You have to realize all the travel costs that would come in the Big 12. We don't have to fly to every game now in the ACC. We would have to in the Big 12. With the costs there, it may not be as big an advantage as others might think."

it been said by some 1 in the media that it would happen so its not ture and its just speculation. sorry your uptight keyboards couldn't handle that. why wouldn't fsu make sure of that tho? wvu has some kickback coming for this year and then it will be looked at post expansion for continued support. also the whole travel talk thing is bs anyway. once fsu gets the ball rolling the b12 is going big anyway, so fsu will be playing in a eastern division with wvu/lville/other acc teams and tcu. thats no better or worse than acc travel. end of that distraction.

btw, if u think the travel cost thing is just random, the b12 pays for all teams bowl coats travel wise. the acc doesn't. so there your hint that the league does in fact have that in the back pocket. they understand travel and so they help with it.

lol at this. what you take a bus to miami and gt??? who says they aren't 2 of the schools coming with you to the b12, so once again you can take your bus. just all bs from his office now trying to cool this media monster off.

You recognize that he's probably more focused on the leagues that actually exist than the ones in your head? I know that's his bad but still ....

Good point.

i bet hes focused on figuring out this move to the b12 wise. just my guess. what do u think hes got on his mind right now? beaches? cake? american idol?

And you need to stop making condescending posts from a position of ignorance. See Dan's post above.

1. Dan already retracted his point that you're congratulating him on and acknowledged that he was thinking about reimbursement for bowl game travel, not all travel. Of course, that required Dan admitting he was wrong, which seems to be a concept so foreign to you that it would explain why you ignore even him correcting himself.

2. I do make condescending posts. But they are only rarely from ignorance. And I can admit when I'm wrong. Unlike certain others.

I'm confused. You elected to quote me but your response has nothing to do with the quote. I did not say the FSU President was not focused on this issue at the moment. I was, however, laughing at the fact for you criticizing him from not assuming what you assume the facts will be in the future as opposed to the actual facts he has on the ground.

The Big 12 apparently has the option to take the deal back to market if they add two teams. ESPN would only have right of first refusal, but unlike the ACC situation, would not have an exclusive.

http://mbd. /mb.aspx?s=159&f=4582&t=8848569

I think Dan may have been right the first time. i have to find a source on that.

As for travel, please provide me a list of all the schools that turned down an invitation to a major conference because of "travel" concerns. (Hint: It is a very, very, very short list)

what are the facts? do u think u know them? no one outside of a couple college pres/ad's, the new b12 commish and espn know the facts. thats why all of these CR boards are wild and fun. ppl like u who need 110% facts for everything just won't understand.

everyone who talks CR somehwere takes a stance and defends it. some are wild and some are easy going and could happen. to each his own. i don't agree with all of nelsons stuff, but i take it and respond and enjoy it all. whats your position? that nothing is going to change and why?

BLawyer is one of the many that don't like to take positions but prefer to just attack others.

I think I put him down for no one is leaving the ACC.

LMAO. I wish I was technologically capable enough to quote both your and Waylon's points together.

Because not everyone needs to make an immediate prediction on everything, whether you have enough information to rationally do so or not. Some people prefer not to open their mouths unless they have something worth sharing.

But to each their own.

LOL. Somehow I can picture nelson, esconced at his computer, surrounded by bits of paper. Most of those bits of paper contain illegible, cryptic writings. Well, at least they would be cryptic to us but to nelson they all make perfect sense. Oh yes, perfect sense.

i will not say another word top you until i read the next 241 in the fall. good day.

Like I said.

1. I agree with your earlier point that travel costs will not drive decisions at this level.

2. Do you think the Big XII's current contract is undervalued in the market? I would think that, relative to their competition, they have to be pleased with where they are.