USC #1 & #2

[hoophuskee]

Is it a “hit?” Well, it’s logically a hit any time you lose a top 5 draft choice. Losing Boston to the draft was a hit just as much as losing Kamilla is. It’s definitely a change that Dawn will need to address.

And Watkins has some flaws that need to be corrected or accounted for. She does not have the “ballast butt” that both Boston and Cardosa have . This helps positioning without fouling in the low post. Ashlyn has to rely on upper body strength and leaping ability. Reliance on the former can lead to excessive foul calls. And she is a poor FT shooter. Add to this, she is.a bit of a whiner when called for a foul which could mark her for further calls by some refs. She needs to learn to control her emotions and keep the opponent out of her head.

But she has advantages that B&C lacked. Much more speed and can cover more ground than either. She can jump higher than either and blocked more shots per minute than Cardosa. She has a better (Though not superior) mid range. She can leave the bucket to defend the midrange and even three pointers. She needs to put up softer shots at point blank range ( as does Chloe) and further develop her hook shot.

Yes, it will be a change . I think Dawn is up to the task of managing the change and limiting the “ hit.” I don’t expect us to go undefeated again but I do expect us to be as good as last year - so long as we don’t have off-season, lazy big heads. Does that mean a repeat championship? We’ll see. Luck is always a factor.

Just FYI - I did not say Dawn was not up to the task. But losing Cardoso is definitely a hit. First off you bring up an irrelevant point about Boston and Cardoso. Those were NPOY caliber players. Watkins is potential 1st team A/A as a junior but not at the level of the senior Cardoso. You are mentioning Watkins taking mid-range shots as if that is some sort of scare. It can be but it is not a scare vs dumping the ball inside to Cardoso or your team's 3pt shooting. SO, when you speak of her shooting -- if I were a fan of another elite team I'd scream "Please Please take that mid-range jumper rather than be available for your awesome offensive rebounding and when you catch the ball mid-range exhibit that negative ass-to-turnover ratio passing."

And when you speak of quickness – that’s all fine and good but note I was speaking of the elite teams. For example, quickness vs UCLA-Betts won't have the same impact vs if you had Cardoso and her height/quickness for her size. Same with Texas. And there is a good chance there are other teams that have a bulkiest inside scorer in which the combo of Cardoso/Watkins could have handled much easier than what you will experience right now. Quickness can help to a degree but over time you are more susceptible to height/bulk that what you have experiennced the past 4 years. Maybe Tac can be a key contributor - but not sure how reliable this early in her career she can be.

Heck, this upcoming year UCONN has their best opportunity to beat you in years because they might be able to score inside for their outside game to b at least pretty good. You have totally taken out that inside the last 4 years. If teams like UCLA, Texas UCONN and other elite teams can score more easily inside, then they won't care about Watkins ability to be better at defending the midrange near as much.

I’ll reiterate your team is #1. With your team's experience, athleticsm, and shooting skill, they are great.

 

[Bone Dog]

To both @hoophuskee and @visitingcock I say Watkins will be very good next season. But she won’t be able simply to fill the hole left by Kamila. Can Walker and Tac help? Sure but they are not enough to face someone like Betts or Lee. Neither are Feagins Kitts or Edward’s. I think Watkins can lead a frontcourt that can handle the superbigs. This will require some retooling of the defense by Dawn to prevent entry passes to the post. I’m sure Dawn knows how to teach this. The team will look a bit different than the past two seasons. I’m looking forward to seeing it.

In effect, SC will look like what UConn might have looked like without all the injuries: a lot of medium bigs who rely on speed and finesse, and a cadre of perimeter shooters. Watkins will have to play the game Aaliyah Edwards did, a player she resembles in some ways. Not quite a comparable midrange shooter yet, but a little more athletic. Joyce doesn’t bring much beyond what Watkins already does, but she’ll bring some effective rotation relief.

I expect to see a lot more of Tessa, as I’ve said elsewhere. This could mean that Kitts gives up some minutes to her. Tessa is not as long, but she’s also not a quick guard. Her natural position looks like wing to me. Chloe can play the 4, as she’s already shown. But I’m not sure how much Dawn will want to use her there. Which means she may be competing for minutes with Tessa and Bree.

 

[cancontent]

Fox lands this match up during December. Will be interesting to see how the rest of the schedule plays out once they have been officially released.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

Fox lands this match up during December. Will be interesting to see how the rest of the schedule plays out once they have been officially released.

I'm sure UCONN fans aren't happy that the game is while students are on break.

 

[cancontent]

I'm sure UCONN fans aren't happy that the game is while students are on break.

Good point. Didn't catch that.

 

[visitingcock]

Well, Michigan finally stepped up to play us in the opening game in Vegas.

Somebody else in the Big Ten ducked - and it ain't Oregon

 

[YoDore]

Well, Michigan finally stepped up to play us in the opening game in Vegas.

Somebody else in the Big Ten ducked - and it ain't Oregon

I see the schedule makers couldn't resist SC-Texas home and home for Texas' first year in the conference. Should be great matchups.

 

[SCGamecock]

Well, Michigan finally stepped up to play us in the opening game in Vegas.

Somebody else in the Big Ten ducked - and it ain't Oregon

Which, if USC did duck SC, but then turned around and decided to play UConn.. that would be crazy because if healthy, UConn will have just as much talent as SC next year.

 

[visitingcock]

Which, if USC did duck SC, but then turned around and decided to play UConn.. that would be crazy because if healthy, UConn will have just as much talent as SC next year.

They could have (and probably were) in negotiations with UConn well before our Vegas game came open. (We still don't know who backed out)

I would remind folks that our initial ten or so years of scheduling UConn were not to win games. Our purpose was to just get our name on the wbb map. The UConn name still has that power. Also, a U$C/UConn game is a win for both schools because they are now FOX/FS teams. We are an ABC/ESPN team.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Which, if USC did duck SC, but then turned around and decided to play UConn.. that would be crazy because if healthy, UConn will have just as much talent as SC next year.

Not sure So Cal feels that way.

I don't think I do either.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

They could have (and probably were) in negotiations with UConn well before our Vegas game came open. (We still don't know who backed out)

I would remind folks that our initial ten or so years of scheduling UConn were not to win games. Our purpose was to just get our name on the wbb map. The UConn name still has that power. Also, a U$C/UConn game is a win for both schools because they are now FOX/FS teams. We are an ABC/ESPN team.

Playing a marquee game that lots of folks will watch is a win for everyone.

I'd like to think they are being strategic about not having SCar get a feel for them but they may just be chicken.

 

[SCGamecock]

They could have (and probably were) in negotiations with UConn well before our Vegas game came open. (We still don't know who backed out)

I would remind folks that our initial ten or so years of scheduling UConn were not to win games. Our purpose was to just get our name on the wbb map. The UConn name still has that power. Also, a U$C/UConn game is a win for both schools because they are now FOX/FS teams. We are an ABC/ESPN team.

I agree here, and I can absolutely see Fox/FS putting pressure on SC/The Big Ten to make this matchup happen. The Big Ten will have a lot of marquee matchups in conference next year. As will the SEC.

 

[TC22]

I agree here, and I can absolutely see Fox/FS putting pressure on SC/The Big Ten to make this matchup happen. The Big Ten will have a lot of marquee matchups in conference next year. As will the SEC.

Those two conferences, along with the ACC are going to be absolutely nuts. I can’t wait. WBB is going to be must watch TV again next season. I personally am glad the PAC12 schools will get more TV time. Hated they got left out of last year’s fun with the incredible teams that they had.

 

[CalWBBfan]

I’d give the nod to S. Carolina given the coaches.

 

[Alydar]

I agree. That's my list too. I also believe whoever wins the NC is #1 and stays #1 until some team proves otherwise. You have to knock the king of the hill off the mountain.

The NCAA and the media promote their tournament as a "national championship" and it is a great tournament but that's all it is to me. Single elimination tournaments (SET's) are exciting and dramatic and the media loves them for that reason but it's a poor method to determine the best team. The winner of the NCAA tournament is just that, the winner of a tournament, not a season. SET's in many sports are notorious for upsets, golf being the most obvious. Many team sports use post-season tournaments to crown their champions but except for football (and Little League) it is a "best of" format, which allows for losses. There is a reason that the NCAA baseball tournament is a double elimination tournament.

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Last year the media made "super team" LSU the No. 1 team, based on transfers and the fact that they won in 2023. How did that work out for them?
Like LSU, the Trojans have loaded up with top portal players. We will see how good they are on December 21.

 

[Alydar]

Those two conferences, along with the ACC are going to be absolutely nuts. I can’t wait. WBB is going to be must watch TV again next season. I personally am glad the PAC12 schools will get more TV time. Hated they got left out of last year’s fun with the incredible teams that they had.

last I looked the SEC had 2 ranked teams last season. Is that what you call "absolutely nuts"?

 

[Coburn]

last I looked the SEC had 2 ranked teams last season. Is that what you call "absolutely nuts"?

The SEC had 8 teams make the NCAAs last yr & just added Texas & Oklahoma - both will be ranked pre/season in the top 15/10 next season. It also has the last three National Champions .

 

[Alydar]

The SEC had 8 teams make the NCAAs last yr & just added Texas & Oklahoma - both will be ranked pre/season in the top 15/10 next season. It also has the last three National Champions .

The AAC won three titles in a row 2014-2016 so that's how important that stat is in overall conference strength.

The SEC, like all conferences in wcbb, is very top heavy. When those top teams lose in conference it's almost always because they played a poor game.
Conference play isn't what I look most forward to. It's probably because UConn plays in a mid-major conference and has won practically every conference title since the early 90's. Of course there was 2013 when the Big East had three of the 4 final four teams. Has the SEC ever done that?

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[Coburn]

The AAC won three titles in a row 2014-2016 so that's how important that stat is in overall conference strength.

The SEC, like all conferences in wcbb, is very top heavy. When those top teams lose in conference it's almost always because they played a poor game.
Conference play isn't what I look most forward to. It's probably because UConn plays in a mid-major conference and has won practically every conference title since the early 90's. Of course there was 2013 when the Big East had three of the 4 final four teams. Has the SEC ever done that?

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never 3 but have had 2 teams in the FF 9 or 10 times in its history, including 2023

 

[Gamecockfan77]

The SEC had 8 teams make the NCAAs last yr & just added Texas & Oklahoma - both will be ranked pre/season in the top 15/10 next season. It also has the last three National Champions .

There are three teams in SEC that absolutely everyone should have their eyes set on Final Four as the goal.

Oklahoma reasonably could as well.

There are several other NCAA teams that got better.

The SEC hasn't been particularly strong top to bottom in awhile but it absolutely should be very strong next season.

 

[TC22]

The SEC will have SC, LSU, Texas, Oklahoma, Ole Miss and probably Tennessee and Auburn that will be very competitive. The teams dominant teams now will be clustered into 3 conferences - the SEC, ACC and BIG10. All of those conference races will be very tough and most of the games will be very competitive.

 

[Tngamecock]

There is no USC east and west. There's USC and there's S. Carolina.

As Regina said, "Stop trying to make USC happen. It's not going to happen."

USC (University of South Carolina) was around before SoCal. So those three letters represent us first. And don’t bring up some lawsuit from several years ago, that was about the interlocking logo not who is USC. Two different things.

 

[Tngamecock]

Want to get a heated discussion going? Start talking about ranking teams before anyone knows what they're talking about. Where's Carnac?

I'm staying out of the fray because first IT'S MAY, folks, not November and it's way too early to start theorizing 4 to 6 months from now (and folks that's all it is, merely theory and opinion based on very little if anything factual), but I do have one request for all BY'ers: Please stop this "USCW" and "USCE". It looks dumb; it is dumb. Southern Cal for eons has gone by USC and South Carolina has always gone by just SC. That's it.

Now keep those theories and prognostications rolling based on mostly dated and/or invalid information to come up with what the author hopes to be a valid, extremely knowledgeable argument because that's what we do. Gotta love it.

“South Carolina has always gone by just SC?”…….you obviously are younger, didn’t grow up in the south, and didn’t go to USC (University of South Carolina).

 

[Tngamecock]

I don't agree with any of these pre-season rankings. The UConn Huskies are so loaded next year...their performance will be off the charts better than it was last year. UConn's defense was pretty good last year...at times it was outright smothering. Next year their defense will be even better...teams are going to find it very difficult to score and do the things that they are used to doing.

We will have depth in the front court something we were missing this past season:

Jana El Alfy - 6'5;
Ice Brady - 6'3":
Sarah Strong - 6'2";
Ayanna Patterson - 6'2".

Our back-court guards will be crazy deep and off-the-charts talented.

KK Arnold - 5'9"
Kaitlyn Chen - 5'9"
Ashlynn Shade - 5'10"
Azzi Fudd - 5'11"
Allie Ziebell - 6'0"
Paige Bueckers - 6'0"

Then we will have a plethora of talented swing guards/forwards.

Qadence Samuels - 6'0"
Aubrey Griffin - 6'1"
Morgan Cheli - 6'2"
Caroline Ducharme - 6'2"

I hate to break the news to the sports pundits who think that USC West and USC East are going to be 1 and 2. The reality is it will be UConn and everyone else. UConn will be the best team in America next season. It will become more and more obvious as the season wears on. I don't see a team beating this team

There will be no drop-off when Geno goes to his bench. He will have defenders, shooters, and rebounders on the floor for 40 minutes per game. It will be almost comical when Geno tells the team to take their foot off the gas...it will be so obvious that the team will be holding back that it will be embarrassing for other teams. This will be an amazingly balanced team, they will be an offensive juggernaut and nobody is going to want to face the UConn defense. UConn will average in the 90s next year...teams will have to score 90 plus points to beat UConn. That is going to be a very difficult task.

Bless your heart

 

[meyers7]

USC (University of South Carolina) was around before SoCal. So those three letters represent us first. and don’t bring up some lawsuit from several years ago, that was about the interlocking logo not who is USC. Two different things.

That's not actually true.

USC opened in 1880.

S. Carolina opened as S. Carolina College (SCC) in 1801. Then it went back and forth between SCC and University of S. Carolina a few times with a SCC of A&M thrown in there for a couple years. Finally in 1906 if settled on University of S. Carolina and stayed that way. 26 years after USC.

Besides, we are talking about sports here, and in sports USC is, has been, and always will be USC.

Google USC and see what comes up first. And what's USC's web name? www.usc.edu. (or for sports usctrojans.com) What's S. Carolina's? www.sc.edu. (or for sports gamecocksonline.com)

So you Gamecocks can just shut the front door about ever being USC. You're not.