U17 usa vs Italy 3PM

[Wbbfan1]

Italy is also undefeated and Team USA will have to play better then they did against Czech Rep to win.

Games of the 2016 FIBA U17 Women’s World Championship - FIBA.com

 

[Charliebball]

Italy beat South Korea by just 11 point (US beat them by 59) and the Czechs by 2.............no excuse for the USA team to loose this one

 

[Wbbfan1]

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[BobbyJ]

Is this the best 5 the US has or are these the backups? #7 has no clue. And I wish they would tighten up the rims a little more so the ball would rebound into the seats. Oh, and how do you like the dope with the air horn?

 

[Charliebball]

Wow that was one ugly quarter of basketball.....USA truly fortunate to be only down 9-7......at least 5 turnovers numerous missed sitters, no offensive flow...........how about calling a time out coach? To be fair, the Italian team's defense has been quite good so far...........

 

[todl31]

This is painful. At least there will be some good coaching moments to show the players. Italy shooting 18% from the floor in for the 1st period and outshooting the USA. By a lot.

 

[Wbbfan1]

Thanks to Italy's play of late, USA may still win this game.

Like the Men had to do, its time for a CHANGE AT THE TOP OF USA BB for Women. Don't know if its coaching and/or player selections Team USA has not been prepared for most of the tournaments in last couple of years. Last years U16 team was flawed and so is this years U17 team. Strong up the middle even with the missed layups, but where is the Good Guard play.

 

[Charliebball]

Williams and Henderson woke things up for a bit.........the USA has a clear speed advantage but they are not running or even penetrating in the half court..............help defense was lacking and can the US stop fouling on every shot please..........Where's DeCosta, Prince getting some minutes, no Prohaska at all after playing 25-30 minutes the other day

 

[UcMiami]

It isn't the head of the USA women, it is the format of putting together teams and not preparing for competition. The days of being able to throw together a team and show up with little training are ending - the rest of the world is actual improving and the USA cannot just 'out-talent' especially as we play a different game than the international competition game.

 

[BobbyJ]

With Williams on the floor, why are they letting #7 touch the ball? Williams just stands out on the wing and gets to watch #7 penetrate and throw it away or airball it. And with these post players Brunelle can't get on the floor? Is this really the best the US has at this age group?

 

[Charliebball]

Well thanks coach for bringing in DeCosta........she DID make the majority of her layups tonight.....Christyn Williams with a big game...............wonder if they wish AEH was on the roster for some outside shooting?

 

[ThisJustIn]

Calendar is the big issue.... how and when do you get the kids together. Not sure what the international process is these days, but with no scholarships, in the past they have national teams w/kids who are paid... anyone have any insight about the current logistics

 

[Wbbfan1]

Superior Talent enabled Team USA to get the double digit lead in 4th quarter, then had to hold on for the win 59-55. Troubling Stats for Team USA is only 6 assists on 20 made baskets and 26 turn overs. Hard to see them winning the Gold Medal with those kind of stats. Fortunate will only have to beat Canada or Australia for the Gold Medal if they make it to the game. They Should.

 

[Wbbfan1]

Canada Basketball has 4 Camps through the year. Is it time for USA Basketball to do the same to develop TEAM play as well as Individual Talents.

 

[Alydar]

It isn't the head of the USA women, it is the format of putting together teams and not preparing for competition. The days of being able to throw together a team and show up with little training are ending - the rest of the world is actual improving and the USA cannot just 'out-talent' especially as we play a different game than the international competition game.

Looks to me that the only teams having difficulty are last year's U16 and this year's U17. Two entirely different rosters but the same coaching staff.

Except for the relatively few players who are on teams that travel to elite tournaments, these players face mostly cupcake competition which they dominate on talent and individual skill. They are usually surrounded by much less talented teammates and they are the focus of the offense and often are coached to stay out of foul trouble so never learn to play much defense. Then they join an AAU team in which the focus is on displaying your individual skills in order to get a scholarship. Defense and ball movement isn't in the vocabulary of AAU basketball.

It's strange that in so many sports girls reach high levels of skill before they are 16 but that in basketball they don't seem to learn much until college. My guess is that the coaching at the high school level simply isn't very good.

 

[Wbbfan1]

If the Head of USA Basketball for Girls doesn't see a need to change or can't get Changes made then she needs to go. We have the best talent in the world, but play some of the worse TEAM Basketball and rely on individual talent to win games.

It isn't the head of the USA women, it is the format of putting together teams and not preparing for competition. The days of being able to throw together a team and show up with little training are ending - the rest of the world is actual improving and the USA cannot just 'out-talent' especially as we play a different game than the international competition game.

 

[Wbbfan1]

Team USA plays Brazil on Monday and if they win, they'll play the winner of France vs Japan.

 

[ThisJustIn]

Canada Basketball has 4 Camps through the year. Is it time for USA Basketball to do the same to develop TEAM play as well as Individual Talents.

Any suggestions? Like underwrite summer camps, pay coaches, set up funding for housing etc. When would you schedule it? On their winter and spring breaks? three weeks in the summer?

The international calendar doesn't care about US calendars... and USA basketball has been dealing with all sorts of obstacles, like the WNBA, college expecting folks to have a certain amount of credits by a certain time etc.

 

[Charliebball]

Perhaps the first thing they can do is not have 140+ kids trying out for the team over several weeks.......that time could be used to work with a more select group of players.......................

 

[Sluconn Husky]

Christyn Williams was 7-15, 3-5 from three for 20 points.

Nelson-Ododa was just 1-6 with 7 TO's though she did have 16 rebounds.

DeCosta had 12 and 12.

Collier 1-5 for 4 points and 5 rebounds in 12 minutes. She also committed 4 fouls giving her 10 total in 34 minutes played overall.

 

[Boreifs]

Thanks to Italy's play of late, USA may still win this game.

Like the Men had to do, its time for a CHANGE AT THE TOP OF USA BB for Women. Don't know if its coaching and/or player selections Team USA has not been prepared for most of the tournaments in last couple of years. Last years U16 team was flawed and so is this years U17 team. Strong up the middle even with the missed layups, but where is the Good Guard play.

Your frustration is understandable, but the pointing of fingers misguided. No one complains about the U18 and U19 teams because they are coached by the cream of the crop in college coaching, which results in much better team play and highly competitive squads. The problem with the U17 and U16 teams is that they are, for the most part, given to high school coaches, who don't really have the expertise or experience to train a competitive squad. I understand why USA basketball does this; they need to avoid accusations of impropriety when virtually all the players are being recruited. There is an easy solution to that; let DIII coaches do it. No one is going to accuse them of trying to recruit kids, because they have no scholarships available. Nonetheless, there is a pool of truly outstanding coaches who would absolutely love to have an opportunity to be involved in USA basketball. Imagine Carla Berube as the head coach of this team, assisted by coaches from such great programs like Washington University, DePauw and Scranton, just to name a few of many possibilities. DIII programs train and play schedules exactly like DI programs; their most successful coaches would undoubtedly produce much more competitive teams at the two lower levels.

 

[UcMiami]

If the Head of USA Basketball for Girls doesn't see a need to change or can't get Changes made then she needs to go. We have the best talent in the world, but play some of the worse TEAM Basketball and rely on individual talent to win games.

Well, when every college coach talks about the lack of team skill of their freshman classes, it would seem to me that the problem is a little bigger than USA selection criteria for players or coaches.

 

[JordyG]

Looks to me that the only teams having difficulty are last year's U16 and this year's U17. Two entirely different rosters but the same coaching staff.

Except for the relatively few players who are on teams that travel to elite tournaments, these players face mostly cupcake competition which they dominate on talent and individual skill. They are usually surrounded by much less talented teammates and they are the focus of the offense and often are coached to stay out of foul trouble so never learn to play much defense. Then they join an AAU team in which the focus is on displaying your individual skills in order to get a scholarship. Defense and ball movement isn't in the vocabulary of AAU basketball.

It's strange that in so many sports girls reach high levels of skill before they are 16 but that in basketball they don't seem to learn much until college. My guess is that the coaching at the high school level simply isn't very good.

Exactly what Geno has been alluding to the last few years.

Your frustration is understandable, but the pointing of fingers misguided. No one complains about the U18 and U19 teams because they are coached by the cream of the crop in college coaching, which results in much better team play and highly competitive squads. The problem with the U17 and U16 teams is that they are, for the most part, given to high school coaches, who don't really have the expertise or experience to train a competitive squad. I understand why USA basketball does this; they need to avoid accusations of impropriety when virtually all the players are being recruited. There is an easy solution to that; let DIII coaches do it. No one is going to accuse them of trying to recruit kids, because they have no scholarships available. Nonetheless, there is a pool of truly outstanding coaches who would absolutely love to have an opportunity to be involved in USA basketball. Imagine Carla Berube as the head coach of this team, assisted by coaches from such great programs like Washington University, DePauw and Scranton, just to name a few of many possibilities. DIII programs train and play schedules exactly like DI programs; their most successful coaches would undoubtedly produce much more competitive teams at the two lower levels.

Nicely thought out and presented ideas. Ideas I think whose time has come.

 

[CocoHusky]

Your frustration is understandable, but the pointing of fingers misguided. No one complains about the U18 and U19 teams because they are coached by the cream of the crop in college coaching, which results in much better team play and highly competitive squads. The problem with the U17 and U16 teams is that they are, for the most part, given to high school coaches, who don't really have the expertise or experience to train a competitive squad. I understand why USA basketball does this; they need to avoid accusations of impropriety when virtually all the players are being recruited. There is an easy solution to that; let DIII coaches do it. No one is going to accuse them of trying to recruit kids, because they have no scholarships available. Nonetheless, there is a pool of truly outstanding coaches who would absolutely love to have an opportunity to be involved in USA basketball. Imagine Carla Berube as the head coach of this team, assisted by coaches from such great programs like Washington University, DePauw and Scranton, just to name a few of many possibilities. DIII programs train and play schedules exactly like DI programs; their most successful coaches would undoubtedly produce much more competitive teams at the two lower levels.

I also thing the finger pointing is misguided and the finger pointing needs to be inward-@us. We are projecting an impossible standard ( UCONN ready today ) onto 15-16 year olds that have not played together except for a few practices. This fall Charli Collier will go back to HS to compete in her Junior year of HS basketball. Next Spring and Summer she will play on the Nike EYBL circuit and USA basketball before going back to complete her HS year of basketball. We need to looking for growth & potential in these players & better coaching will certainly help. Who cares if they cover the point spread against Italy or Brazil. In April Maya Dodson's HS team played in the Dick's National Championship on ESPN. Maya was good but not nearly as impressive as she has been in this tournament- She is the best wing defender of that size I have ever seen. Who knew Olivia Nelson-Ododa could outplay Collier & Prince?