Tulsa World Article: OU President Boren Candidly Talks B-12 Expansion, League 's Future

[FDNY99]

Eric BaileyVerified account‏@EricBaileyTW
David Boren, if Big 12 expands, says fan base, economic impact, market presence important.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...cle_58753a16-e88b-53be-85ed-fe25feee4577.html

Interesting stuff here from Boren...very good read.

 

[Sportsman5]

It appears Susan has been doing her job quite well.

"I get binders from other presidents I know, saying I want you to see what we’re doing athletically. I want you to see what we’re doing in academics and research. We’d be such a great fit with the Big 12. We definitely have schools that are constantly lobbying us"

 

[Carl Spackler]

Very interesting quotes. Boren has been around long enough to realize the irony of UCONN and Oklahoma in the same conference.

The pandoras box that was opened by Oklahoma Board of Regents vs, NCAA won't be shut until there are no more independants, and a true playoff of conference champions for a national title.

UCONN was present in that argument with John Toner.

John Toner was WRONG.

Boren was present in Arizona on Jan. 1, 2011. He knows how much blue was there.

All he needs to do is ask Jim Delany about Michigan State v UCONN at MSG in 2014 to know about what we draw in our backyard.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/468/85.html

 

[FfldCntyFan]

UCONN was present in that argument with John Toner.

John Toner was WRONG.


http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/468/85.html

You've posted this at least twice but I don't think you know all of the details.

At the time the NCAA decided to require (with two small exceptions) to require a school to participate at the sme level (D-I, D-II or D-III) in all NCAA sports that it sponsored. If D-I wasn't split a ton of schools would have had to either drop other sports to D-II or drop football completely. Yes, it was basically a Band-Aid but it isn't like there were many better options.

The exceptions were that schools who competed at the highest level in Lacrosse (Hopkins for example) and Ice Hockey (St Lawrence for example) were grandfathered in for those two sports.

 

[LoyalFanCT]

It sounds like college brand image is important to David Boren when picking among possible colleges for expansion. Thankfully, UConn has a national brand. May not be as strong as Notre Dame, but it's there. This has been helped by recent actions by Susan Herbst. http://president.uconn.edu/wordmark/

 

[Carl Spackler]

You've posted this at least twice but I don't think you know all of the details.

At the time the NCAA decided to require (with two small exceptions) to require a school to participate at the sme level (D-I, D-II or D-III) in all NCAA sports that it sponsored. If D-I wasn't split a ton of schools would have had to either drop other sports to D-II or drop football completely. Yes, it was basically a Band-Aid but it isn't like there were many better options.

The exceptions were that schools who competed at the highest level in Lacrosse (Hopkins for example) and Ice Hockey (St Lawrence for example) were grandfathered in for those two sports.

Oh, I simplified for sure. Toner was a proponent of 1-AA football. It was actually called/labeled as a "cost-containment" model of college football. 1-AA is a system that does not work across the board - it's proven over time - that Toner's predictions were not right on that. If you go back and read all the transcripts and all the notes, you'd find that Toner - was remarkably - almost eerie - accurate on what he predicted would happen with division 1A football.

It's quite the story, that very few people probably understand, that UCONN and Oklahoma, not only have already played in January 1st bowl game against each other, but there seems to be rumblings of at very least a possibility of being in the same conference (possibility is much different than probability)

THe issues, then, and through it all til now - really, had to do with the numbers of football scholarships, which really reduces down to the single 2 common denominators that all this business has been about for 30+ years.

#1. Money. #2. Recruiting.

 

[Vindoe]

Seems the reference to Notre Dame could have been a nod to BYU, no?

 

[FDNY99]

When talking about brand and market...I hope that Conn's presentation includes the contracts that were signed with Nike and IMG College...which at the time were on par with schools like Michigan. That shows strength of brand alone.

 

[Carl Spackler]

When talking about brand and market...I hope that Conn's presentation includes the contracts that were signed with Nike and IMG College...which at the time were on par with schools like Michigan. That shows strength of brand alone.

Me too. You'd hope that something is put together like that.

The entire SNY television contract history for tier 3 alone needs to be put out there as well as everything else from merchandise sales to the IMG, nike stuff. That media company was GROWING in the nyc and htfd/nh demographic, while paying out what they did for uconn content.

 

[Slasher]

When talking about brand and market...I hope that Conn's presentation includes the contracts that were signed with Nike and IMG College...which at the time were on par with schools like Michigan. That shows strength of brand alone.

Is there a place that keeps track of these deals? This info seems pretty hard to find. Was looking for like a top 25 list.

 

[FDNY99]

Is there a place that keeps track of these deals? This info seems pretty hard to find. Was looking for like a top 25 list.

I got my info when I googled the deals for UConn. When the deals were announced they were compared to other schools in the announcement.

 

[Dooley]

Me too. You'd hope that something is put together like that.

The entire SNY television contract history for tier 3 alone needs to be put out there as well as everything else from merchandise sales to the IMG, nike stuff. That media company was GROWING in the nyc and htfd/nh demographic, while paying out what they did for uconn content.

BOOM.

http://the-boneyard.com/threads/uconn-power-conference-profile-a-long-look-at-the-numbers.85564/

4. Brand Value - again, UConn holds a VERY sizeable advantage over every other of its competitors.

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/ (thank you @Bonz_44 and @CL82)
2014 revenue by school by AAC (*includes BYU):
1. Connecticut - $72,155,789
*BYU - $59,032,406
2. SMU - $55,349,010
3. Central Florida - $51,871,022
4. East Carolina - $48,743,915
5. South Florida - $46,895,838
6. Houston - $45,437,943
7. Cincinnati - $42,861,532
8. Memphis - $41,420,631
9. Tulane - $41,004,900
10. Tulsa - $40,329,852
11. Temple - $39,888,882

Yes, UConn has the 3rd highest subsidy for athletics at $27.2M. But that also shows the level of commitment to athletics that UConn strives for each and every season. If you put UConn in a P5 conference (with P5 TV money!), then the subsidy naturally shrinks by $10-$20M and is replaced with TV money income. At the end of the day, you can put UConn's P5 revenue potential (replacing subsidy with TV money) at around the $80-$90M range. In other words, firmly within the P5 structure as-is with room for upward growth.

Before Tier 3 media rights became a thing of the past, UConn also stacked up with its P5 peers. UConn signed a Tier 3 media deal with IMG valued at $80M over 10 years, which, at the time, placed UConn in the top half of similar deal values. UConn also signed a Tier 3 media contract with SNY for women's basketball only, valued at $1.14M/yr. Combined, this put UConn's Tier 3 media rights well over $9M/yr which would be valued in the upper half of P5 member values. UConn also signed an apparel contract with Nike at around the same time as its IMG Tier 3 medial contract, and that contract was valued at $2.775M in 2014-15. This would put UConn at 27th, ahead of Cincinnati ($2.625M with Under Armour...which was signed more recently than UConn's deal). USF comes in at $1.67M with Under Armour; Houston at 500K with Nike; UCF, Memphis and BYU are not listed (but I imagine BYU has a comparable deal with Nike that UConn has).

 

[Carl Spackler]

BOOM.

http://the-boneyard.com/threads/uconn-power-conference-profile-a-long-look-at-the-numbers.85564/

4. Brand Value - again, UConn holds a VERY sizeable advantage over every other of its competitors.

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/ (thank you @Bonz_44 and @CL82)
2014 revenue by school by AAC (*includes BYU):
1. Connecticut - $72,155,789
*BYU - $59,032,406
2. SMU - $55,349,010
3. Central Florida - $51,871,022
4. East Carolina - $48,743,915
5. South Florida - $46,895,838
6. Houston - $45,437,943
7. Cincinnati - $42,861,532
8. Memphis - $41,420,631
9. Tulane - $41,004,900
10. Tulsa - $40,329,852
11. Temple - $39,888,882

Yes, UConn has the 3rd highest subsidy for athletics at $27.2M. But that also shows the level of commitment to athletics that UConn strives for each and every season. If you put UConn in a P5 conference (with P5 TV money!), then the subsidy naturally shrinks by $10-$20M and is replaced with TV money income. At the end of the day, you can put UConn's P5 revenue potential (replacing subsidy with TV money) at around the $80-$90M range. In other words, firmly within the P5 structure as-is with room for upward growth.

Before Tier 3 media rights became a thing of the past, UConn also stacked up with its P5 peers. UConn signed a Tier 3 media deal with IMG valued at $80M over 10 years, which, at the time, placed UConn in the top half of similar deal values. UConn also signed a Tier 3 media contract with SNY for women's basketball only, valued at $1.14M/yr. Combined, this put UConn's Tier 3 media rights well over $9M/yr which would be valued in the upper half of P5 member values. UConn also signed an apparel contract with Nike at around the same time as its IMG Tier 3 medial contract, and that contract was valued at $2.775M in 2014-15. This would put UConn at 27th, ahead of Cincinnati ($2.625M with Under Armour...which was signed more recently than UConn's deal). USF comes in at $1.67M with Under Armour; Houston at 500K with Nike; UCF, Memphis and BYU are not listed (but I imagine BYU has a comparable deal with Nike that UConn has).

you need to twitter this to every big12 and big10 university president and ad (other than Warde Manuel) and the conference commissioners - that all have twitters.

these people have to stop making dumb decisions. if it takes dooley from the boneyard to do it - so be it.

go forth an twitter dooley, and know that husky nation supports you.

 

[Carl Spackler]

oh yea - @Dooley - don't forget to twitter all beat writers and reporters for the football and basketball programs for all those schools too - ;-)

 

[Slasher]

BOOM.

http://the-boneyard.com/threads/uconn-power-conference-profile-a-long-look-at-the-numbers.85564/

4. Brand Value - again, UConn holds a VERY sizeable advantage over every other of its competitors.

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/ (thank you @Bonz_44 and @CL82)
2014 revenue by school by AAC (*includes BYU):
1. Connecticut - $72,155,789
*BYU - $59,032,406
2. SMU - $55,349,010
3. Central Florida - $51,871,022
4. East Carolina - $48,743,915
5. South Florida - $46,895,838
6. Houston - $45,437,943
7. Cincinnati - $42,861,532
8. Memphis - $41,420,631
9. Tulane - $41,004,900
10. Tulsa - $40,329,852
11. Temple - $39,888,882

Yes, UConn has the 3rd highest subsidy for athletics at $27.2M. But that also shows the level of commitment to athletics that UConn strives for each and every season. If you put UConn in a P5 conference (with P5 TV money!), then the subsidy naturally shrinks by $10-$20M and is replaced with TV money income. At the end of the day, you can put UConn's P5 revenue potential (replacing subsidy with TV money) at around the $80-$90M range. In other words, firmly within the P5 structure as-is with room for upward growth.

Before Tier 3 media rights became a thing of the past, UConn also stacked up with its P5 peers. UConn signed a Tier 3 media deal with IMG valued at $80M over 10 years, which, at the time, placed UConn in the top half of similar deal values. UConn also signed a Tier 3 media contract with SNY for women's basketball only, valued at $1.14M/yr. Combined, this put UConn's Tier 3 media rights well over $9M/yr which would be valued in the upper half of P5 member values. UConn also signed an apparel contract with Nike at around the same time as its IMG Tier 3 medial contract, and that contract was valued at $2.775M in 2014-15. This would put UConn at 27th, ahead of Cincinnati ($2.625M with Under Armour...which was signed more recently than UConn's deal). USF comes in at $1.67M with Under Armour; Houston at 500K with Nike; UCF, Memphis and BYU are not listed (but I imagine BYU has a comparable deal with Nike that UConn has).

Cincinnati's deal is 47M over 10 years. That's $4.7M a year. http://www.bizjournals.com/portland...ty-of-cincinnati-discloses-details-of-47.html

 

[SAMCRO]

BOOM.
2014 revenue by school by AAC (*includes BYU):
1. Connecticut - $72,155,789
*BYU - $59,032,406
2. SMU - $55,349,010
3. Central Florida - $51,871,022
4. East Carolina - $48,743,915
5. South Florida - $46,895,838
6. Houston - $45,437,943
7. Cincinnati - $42,861,532
8. Memphis - $41,420,631

So UConn is a shoe-in Thank you B12, we accept your offer to join. BYU is a non-starter due to not playing on Sundays. SMU is a redundant market for the B12, so they're out. Next in line is UCF! Yesssssssss The Civil ConFLiCT lives on.

 

[Dooley]

Cincinnati's deal is 47M over 10 years. That's $4.7M a year. http://www.bizjournals.com/portland...ty-of-cincinnati-discloses-details-of-47.html

Would LOVE to see what UConn is going to get when their contract comes up soon. Will probably be north of $5M/yr as an AAC member. Probably more as a P5 member!