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How do the best teams fare in the NCAA tournament?

I wanted to think about best both in terms of predictive metrics and also best in terms of resume. I went back and looked at the top 3 KenPom teams and the top 3 teams in Torvik's WAB (Wins Above Bubble) for each of the last 12 years entering the tournament. I've been monitoring this because I noticed a few months back that the current top 3 in KenPom (Houston, Purdue, and UConn) were also the top 3 in WAB in some order. UConn was ranked #3 or #2 in both metrics for most of the season, but passed the others to finish #1 in both (our overall #1 was well earned).

YearKP RankadjEMTeamOverall RankSeedResultYearWAB RankWABTeamOverall RankSeedResult
2023-2024132.21UConn91???2023-2024111.3UConn41???
2022-2023128.82Houston281S162022-2023110.2Alabama181S16
2021-2022132.97Gonzaga61S162021-2022110.4Kansas171CHAMP
2020-2021*136.62Gonzaga21Runner Up2020-2021*18.8Illinois261R32
2019-2020130.33Kansas21No tourny2019-2020110.9Kansas12No tourny
2018-2019135.66Virginia31CHAMP2018-2019111.2Duke71E8
2017-2018132.15Virginia101R64 - 16 seed (UMBC)2017-2018111.3Virginia41R64 - 16 seed (UMBC)
2016-2017133.05Gonzaga51Runner Up2016-2017111Villanova101R32
2015-2016129.82Kansas231E82015-2016111.4Kansas31E8
2014-2015137.43Kentucky11F42014-2015113Kentucky11F4
2013-2014130.57Louisville194S162013-2014111.8Florida21F4
2012-2013131.98Florida123E82012-201319Louisville221CHAMP

Only 5 times in the last 12 years has the same team been #1 in KenPom and #1 in WAB. 2020 Kansas had no tournament, 2018 Virginia was upset by UMBC, 2016 Kansas lost in the Elite 8 to eventual champion Villanova, and undefeated 2015 Kentucky made the Final Four. 2016 Kansas was less dominant than the others in terms of KenPom, so it makes sense they were not quite as successful, though their WAB was on par with us and Virginia. It's a little bit disconcerting that by far the most similar team to us on the list is the Virginia team that lost to UMBC. Almost identical adjEM and WAB. They did come back and win the title the next year, perhaps proving that a 1 game fluke and that they were really good, but... still. My solace is that Stetson rates a lot worse than that UMBC team.

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That's true for a lot of pre-season stuff, but once the games have been played, you are who you are. And adjEM is based on how much better you are than the median team in the season and WAB is how much more accomplished than an average bubble team, so they compare relatively to the current season. You are comparing how much better you were than other teams that year, not an absolute level.
 
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How do the best teams fare in the NCAA tournament?

I wanted to think about best both in terms of predictive metrics and also best in terms of resume. I went back and looked at the top 3 KenPom teams and the top 3 teams in Torvik's WAB (Wins Above Bubble) for each of the last 12 years entering the tournament. I've been monitoring this because I noticed a few months back that the current top 3 in KenPom (Houston, Purdue, and UConn) were also the top 3 in WAB in some order. UConn was ranked #3 or #2 in both metrics for most of the season, but passed the others to finish #1 in both (our overall #1 was well earned).

YearKP RankadjEMTeamOverall RankSeedResultYearWAB RankWABTeamOverall RankSeedResult
2023-2024132.21UConn91???2023-2024111.3UConn41???
2022-2023128.82Houston281S162022-2023110.2Alabama181S16
2021-2022132.97Gonzaga61S162021-2022110.4Kansas171CHAMP
2020-2021*136.62Gonzaga21Runner Up2020-2021*18.8Illinois261R32
2019-2020130.33Kansas21No tourny2019-2020110.9Kansas12No tourny
2018-2019135.66Virginia31CHAMP2018-2019111.2Duke71E8
2017-2018132.15Virginia101R64 - 16 seed (UMBC)2017-2018111.3Virginia41R64 - 16 seed (UMBC)
2016-2017133.05Gonzaga51Runner Up2016-2017111Villanova101R32
2015-2016129.82Kansas231E82015-2016111.4Kansas31E8
2014-2015137.43Kentucky11F42014-2015113Kentucky11F4
2013-2014130.57Louisville194S162013-2014111.8Florida21F4
2012-2013131.98Florida123E82012-201319Louisville221CHAMP

Only 5 times in the last 12 years has the same team been #1 in KenPom and #1 in WAB. 2020 Kansas had no tournament, 2018 Virginia was upset by UMBC, 2016 Kansas lost in the Elite 8 to eventual champion Villanova, and undefeated 2015 Kentucky made the Final Four. 2016 Kansas was less dominant than the others in terms of KenPom, so it makes sense they were not quite as successful, though their WAB was on par with us and Virginia. It's a little bit disconcerting that by far the most similar team to us on the list is the Virginia team that lost to UMBC. Almost identical adjEM and WAB. They did come back and win the title the next year, perhaps proving that a 1 game fluke and that they were really good, but... still. My solace is that Stetson rates a lot worse than that UMBC team.

Any thoughts?
I'm glad I'm not a betting man...............especially when all I hear from all the experts is UConn will win it all. Keeping my fingers crossed up and hoping we don't play one of "those" games.
 
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How do the best teams fare in the NCAA tournament?

I wanted to think about best both in terms of predictive metrics and also best in terms of resume. I went back and looked at the top 3 KenPom teams and the top 3 teams in Torvik's WAB (Wins Above Bubble) for each of the last 12 years entering the tournament. I've been monitoring this because I noticed a few months back that the current top 3 in KenPom (Houston, Purdue, and UConn) were also the top 3 in WAB in some order. UConn was ranked #3 or #2 in both metrics for most of the season, but passed the others to finish #1 in both (our overall #1 was well earned).

YearKP RankadjEMTeamOverall RankSeedResultYearWAB RankWABTeamOverall RankSeedResult
2023-2024132.21UConn91???2023-2024111.3UConn41???
2022-2023128.82Houston281S162022-2023110.2Alabama181S16
2021-2022132.97Gonzaga61S162021-2022110.4Kansas171CHAMP
2020-2021*136.62Gonzaga21Runner Up2020-2021*18.8Illinois261R32
2019-2020130.33Kansas21No tourny2019-2020110.9Kansas12No tourny
2018-2019135.66Virginia31CHAMP2018-2019111.2Duke71E8
2017-2018132.15Virginia101R64 - 16 seed (UMBC)2017-2018111.3Virginia41R64 - 16 seed (UMBC)
2016-2017133.05Gonzaga51Runner Up2016-2017111Villanova101R32
2015-2016129.82Kansas231E82015-2016111.4Kansas31E8
2014-2015137.43Kentucky11F42014-2015113Kentucky11F4
2013-2014130.57Louisville194S162013-2014111.8Florida21F4
2012-2013131.98Florida123E82012-201319Louisville221CHAMP

Only 5 times in the last 12 years has the same team been #1 in KenPom and #1 in WAB. 2020 Kansas had no tournament, 2018 Virginia was upset by UMBC, 2016 Kansas lost in the Elite 8 to eventual champion Villanova, and undefeated 2015 Kentucky made the Final Four. 2016 Kansas was less dominant than the others in terms of KenPom, so it makes sense they were not quite as successful, though their WAB was on par with us and Virginia. It's a little bit disconcerting that by far the most similar team to us on the list is the Virginia team that lost to UMBC. Almost identical adjEM and WAB. They did come back and win the title the next year, perhaps proving that a 1 game fluke and that they were really good, but... still. My solace is that Stetson rates a lot worse than that UMBC team.

Any thoughts?
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Nice analysis.

A lot of it is about being hungry, about wanting it more than the other team, and being willing to fight for it.

The #1 overall seed doesn’t always have that chip on their shoulder. What’s crazy is that despite winning the title last year I believe this UConn team does have the chip.
 
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