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She already did it in 2022 on one leg
So if for example Paige and Geno drag this team and its walking wounded across the finish line to a national championship you don't think that should be part of the consideration for post-season awards?I like it like that, so the awards are on individuals, not on individual part of the A team
Relentless media hype? She’s basically averaging 32 points, 8 rebounds, and 9 assists this year. With 46/38/85 shooting splits. It was hype when she was shooting from deep like sophomore year but she’s lived up to the attention she’s been given her whole college career. You’re telling me that player isn’t hands down player of the year? On a team that’s actually well ranked? No you give me a break.Not sure about CC being "best player hands down". She has been the beneficiary of relentless media hype ever since Paige went out with an ACL. Paige is much more versatile and IMO a better all-around player. And this stuff on the media of CC "redefining the women's game" is just that: a lot of "media stuff". I would like someone to lay out specifically ust how she has "redefined" the women's game. Give me a break.
Much as I sympathize with this sentiment, the @The deacon in me requires me to disagree with the claim that Caitlin’s defense is suspect. She is a great defender when she is called on to be. Iowa’s defense isn’t structured around her. But I’ve seen her make some great defensive plays.Caitlin Clark was ordained as POY in the fall. All media hype all season has been Caitlin Clark.
I get the scoring record. She hoists up a lot of shots each game. Her defense is suspect.
I'll take Paige anyday in the week. She is more efficient in her shot selections. She can rebound, assist and play some serious defense. She is a more complete player.
Totally disagree that the midrange and post up is dead. We’re talking the women’s game, not the NBA. The reason the UConn team isn’t elevated is because of of injuries. I prefer the women’s game to the NBA, analytics or no anylitics. Yes, the media hype is fueling the CC hysteria. ESPN touts Caitlin Clark, then Iowa vs Holy Cross. You have to look at the media hysteria. That’s a fact.Relentless media hype? She’s basically averaging 32 points, 8 rebounds, and 9 assists this year. With 46/38/85 shooting splits. It was hype when she was shooting from deep like sophomore year but she’s lived up to the attention she’s been given her whole college career. You’re telling me that player isn’t hands down player of the year? On a team that’s actually well ranked? No you give me a break.
i don’t think she’s redefining the game, and I don’t know why you would mention that to me, but i see her mass appeal. It looks like NBA basketball. You know…that thing that is the pinnacle of the sport. It’s all efficient play and the analytics game. Midrange and post up is dead and young fans don’t like it. It’s not going to get people into the product. We all know boneyard users aren’t the biggest nba watchers anymore and tend to be demographic wise on the older side. It’s okay if you don’t get Caitlin Clark. I would absolutely take Paige over her, there’s a reason from that high school to college transition period she was the darling of the sport. How she plays isn’t drawing the attention anymore on a UConn team that’s not elevated anymore. She loves the midrange, she’s being forced into the post, she’s been injured. You probably can’t even put together an argument outside of opinion on why CC isn’t hands down POY. We are all homers but sometimes you have to face facts.
Thanks for the advice, Bone Dog. I'll definitely set to work on my reading comprehension...You guys need to learn to read better. I didn’t say anything critical about Caitlin. Defend her if you like, but leave me out of it. I’ve always said she’s a great player.
I'm with you on this one. I root for Iowa just this much, for them to make it to the Final Four where I hope they'll face UConn. I'd love to see one more UConn-Iowa game, since Caitlin has never been able to win against Paige or Azzi. Who knows? Maybe the third time is the charm .I root for both teams, if you can understand that, and would love to see both make it to the Final Four. But if either or both fall short of that standard, it wouldn't lessen my admiration for Paige and/or Caitlin and what they've achieved.
Some memories only go back about 2 years. They forget about Bueckers’ freshman year and all those other studs that played before her. To some people numbers are everything.Sigh. It seems that people have the impression that Clark plays with the equivalence of EDD or Stiles teammates. Iowa is a freaking good team. Iowa shoots around 50%, but Clark only shoots around 46% so her teammates actually shoot about 5% points better. Do you think Delaware or SWMS shot like that? Seven of Clark’s teammates have a higher overall percentage than her, five have a higher 3fg%.
UConn also shoots around 50%, but Bueckers shoots at 53.8%, meaning collectively the team shoots probably about 5% points worse. This is probably closer to what EDD or Stiles dealt with (actually they probably had it worse), yet Clark is the greatest, presumably because of how much she lifts her inadequate teammates?
Greatest passer? On a team that averages about 5 more possessions a game, shoots better than the majority of wcbb, and is by far the main distributor for that team, Clark gets the most assists. This makes her the greatest passer? Her A/T ratio this year is around 1.85, down from last year (when her teammates collectively shot around 53%). Bueckers ratio is 2.65, Muhl’s is 2.45.
Even putting all that aside, can Clark play defense like Stewart? Catchings? Moore? Holdsclaw? Miller? Beard? Thomas?
If this was an Iowa fan board, or you were an Iowa fan, I would drop this. I have no problem with Clark getting NPOY. But this greatest ever and changing wcbb narrative on a UConn board from a UConn fan needs to be challenged.
I’m replying to this comment because it (not exclusively but effectively ) gives Clark every bit of her due. There was a time that I loved watching her play. But the combination of the nauseating media hype, her whining, flopping and showboating for the crowd really turned me off. It’s just not the style of basketball I like watching. I love UConn for their passionate yet workman-like style. And just for sheer enjoyment, I would rather watch Paige any day of the week v. watching Clarke. Paige does surprising things all over the court that delight me, the end. I’m still looking for PB to be The Tournament Ninja of 2024, screw NPOY–been there, don’t that.In response to WiseWillie, Caitlin Clark will win the NPOY, which entitles her being called the best player. In a way, she has refined the women's game, much like Steph Curry altered the NBA. Clark has demonstrated unparalleled shooting range and incorporated that into part of her normal game. Additionally, she is a dynamic passer with incredible court vision. She plays with flair, passion and a high-risk, high-reward style that attracts attention. Yes, she has helped immensely in growing the women's game.
In response to browns, CC's legacy is secure. Her run throughout last year's tourney is legendary. Lest we forget, Paige, when healthy, has led UConn to two Final Four's already. She has another season to add another NPOY to her mantle. I think too many people disregard how difficult it is to rejoin the upper echelons of sport after missing so much time due to injuries. What Paige has accomplished & performing as well as she has is largely going unnoticed nationally.
Anyone who knocks CC down or tries to diminish her accomplishments is not being magnanimous. There's no reason to tear down another player in support of the one you favor. She is spectacular, however, I believe a healthy Paige is the best overall player. Maybe not in terms of stats, but in baseball parlance, she is a 5-tool player.
Maybe UConn doesn't have the team to go all the way this year, but I feel Paige is significantly recovered to load the team on her back. I wouldn't be surprised to see UConn pull off a surprise or two.
The debate will continue, and like politics, people most likely won't change their minds. I acknowledge and applaud what Clark has done for herself, Iowa and women's basketball, but I would rather have Paige on my team.
You’ve read my mind and expressed this perfectly. Go Paige!!!I’m replying to this comment because it (not exclusively but effectively ) gives Clark every bit of her due. There was a time that I loved watching her play. But the combination of the nauseating media hype, her whining, flopping and showboating for the crowd really turned me off. It’s just not the style of basketball I like watching. I love UConn for their passionate yet workman-like style. And just for sheer enjoyment, I would rather watch Paige any day of the week v. watching Clarke. Paige does surprising things all over the court that delight me, the end. I’m still looking for PB to be The Tournament Ninja of 2024, screw NPOY–been there, don’t that.
Ah well, here we go again. Rather have Paige than any other UConn great, huh? So I will ask the same question I've asked every time this issue comes up: if you could pick only one player with whom to start a team, who would that be? Answer: Stewie. (How often did she play out of position?)I'm a WBB fan, a UCONN fan (That is nearly the same), for me Stewie is the biggest success story, Diana and Maya are legends, BUT the best all around basketball player in my eye is Paige.
And I really hope she will have an injury free season with her bestie.