NY Post: BE Basketball holds key to TV

[nelsonmuntz]

This position should go over well on this board.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/coll...nference_Iz9DBJqbfyAt0f7ojmGKCI#ixzz246QL53Zr

 

[freescooter]

I think this is only partly true, but Aresco has to say it for 2 reasons. First to keep peace in the family, but also because it is the Big east's best known asset...so you tell the other guys that it is what they should care about even if they don't. But the reality is that there are some 320 basketball teams playing at the D1 level. If the Big East disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow, you could easily fill those time slots with any of the 306 remaining teams and 75% of the audience would know the difference. And you would save money too. Replace St Johns-UConn with UMass-Fordham and a little marketing and nobody would be the wiser. and you'd get them for a third the cost, too.

 

[pj]

I think this is only partly true, but Aresco has to say it for 2 reasons. First to keep peace in the family, but also because it is the Big east's best known asset...so you tell the other guys that it is what they should care about even if they don't. But the reality is that there are some 320 basketball teams playing at the D1 level. If the Big East disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow, you could easily fill those time slots with any of the 306 remaining teams and 75% of the audience would know the difference. And you would save money too. Replace St Johns-UConn with UMass-Fordham and a little marketing and nobody would be the wiser. and you'd get them for a third the cost, too.

ESPN could fill those time slots with other content, because it has the rights to the other 306 teams. NBC Sports Network can't, it doesn't have rights to their content. For NBC, Big East basketball supplies a lot of inventory that can fill any gaps in live content.

 

[specialisthusky]

i think the new commissioner actually "gets it." Plus I'm psyched that the BET is about to sign 10 more years with MSG.

 

[freescooter]

That's actually a good point, pj. I was speaking more on a theoretical basis. There is just so much basketball content out there that no one league is worth all that much. But it might matter to NBC since they don't control much of that content while ESPN could easily substitute another conference.

 

[SubbaBub]

If BE BB leaves ESPN, you'll see very little coverage of BE BB on ESPN. Not that any decision should be based solely on that fact, but it'd be dumb to ignore.

The commish has it right, it's a combo of $$$ and premium exposure. NBC doesn't spend 4 months talking about CBB for 4 hours a day, ESPN does.

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[John Greene]

I know that many here hate ESPN and not without reason, but a decent dollar bump from them in the new contract should be taken by the BE. The reason is BB. I know FB "drives the bus". But for the BE, whether we like it or not BB is the relief driver. Protecting BB is important. No other bidder has the platform to showcase our strongest product like ESPN. In the future BE FB may come into its own but for now any reasonable commissioner would protect BB. Monday night on NBCSC would be worse than Wednesday night on ESPN 2 for FB. It would be going against "Big Monday" w/o the BE and in most markets no one would notice after the first two weeks.

 

[UConnDan97]

Plus I'm psyched that the BET is about to sign 10 more years with MSG.

Man, I like the sound of that!!

 

[freescooter]

I know that many here hate ESPN and not without reason, but a decent dollar bump from them in the new contract should be taken by the BE. The reason is BB. I know FB "drives the bus". But for the BE, whether we like it or not BB is the relief driver. Protecting BB is important. No other bidder has the platform to showcase our strongest product like ESPN. In the future BE FB may come into its own but for now any reasonable commissioner would protect BB. Monday night on NBCSC would be worse than Wednesday night on ESPN 2 for FB. It would be going against "Big Monday" w/o the BE and in most markets no one would notice after the first two weeks.

It really isn't that big a deal. If NBC offers more money the Big East should be on NBC. The leagues on ESPN will be a competitors for sure, but I wouldn't be too concerned for 2 reasons. first, if the Big East continues to send 9-10 teams to the NCAA Tourney, it will continue to be recognized as the power conference. It go that rep because it sent lots of teams, not because they won anything. Until UCONN in 2011, the Big East had zero national Champions in the "realignment era" yet had the rep as having surpassed other leagues who actually produced multiple champs. Why? Numbers in the dance, that's why. And as far as Big Monday goes, I'm not sure it works anymore if half the Big is on another network. ESPN has as much to lose on that score. UConn-Temple at 7 followed by Georgetown-Villanova at 9 isn't such a bad match-up. If it is the difference between $15 million and $15.5 million, maybe you don't make the deal. but if its $17 vs. $14, it isn't even a question. And if you have even equal money but with NBC you have a commitment to grow the football side, with feature games on NBC leading or following Notre Dame, and others in evening prime time onNBCSports, plus marketing the hell out of the league on NFL telecasts, it isn't even close.

 

[whaler11]

This position should go over well on this board.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/coll...nference_Iz9DBJqbfyAt0f7ojmGKCI#ixzz246QL53Zr

Why? The headline doesn't match the article. Basketball rights are valuable? Nobody said they weren't - but even the article says football is more valuable.

 

[whaler11]

Man, I like the sound of that!!

You won't be if UConn isn't in the Big East.

If UConn stays in the Big East I wasn't worried that MSG was going in a different direction.

 

[UConnDan97]

You won't be if UConn isn't in the Big East.

If UConn stays in the Big East I wasn't worried that MSG was going in a different direction.

If UConn is in the ACC or any other conference, why would I not like it? I have been a fan of the Big East my entire life (I was 4 years old when it was founded). If UConn chose to leave the Big East, I wouldn't wish the league any ill will on the Big East at all. And the bottom line for me is: the Big East and MSG belong together. Period.

 

[whaler11]

If UConn is in the ACC or any other conference, why would I not like it? I have been a fan of the Big East my entire life (I was 4 years old when it was founded). If UConn chose to leave the Big East, I wouldn't wish the league any ill will on the Big East at all. And the bottom line for me is: the Big East and MSG belong together. Period.

I don't disagree about the Big East and MSG. I was 6, I figured we are the same age.

If UConn leaves the Big East what is left for basketball? Georgetown, Villanova, St John's and Marquette? I'll still go to MSG every year as long as it
exists, even without UConn involved. That is how great college basketball is at the Garden. It's the best non college football days of the year for me.

If UConn and Louisville end up elsewhere the tournament will be a shell of it's former self. If UConn were in the ACC I think we'd be sitting there after a few years lamenting what used to be and wishing UConn, Syracuse, UNC, Duke and others had that ultimate stage.

I guess the bottom line is at what point does the Big East stop being the Big East. How many teams represents a quorum? UConn, Syracuse, Pitt and BC would be gone. Are Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's and the corpses of
Seton Hall and Providence enough to
still call it the Big East Tournament?

 

[ConnHuskBask]

If UConn leaves the Big East what is left for basketball? Georgetown, Villanova, St John's and Marquette? I'll still go to MSG every year as long as it exists, even without UConn involved. That is how great college basketball is at the Garden. It's the best non college football days of the year for me.

I don't think I could bring myself to go if UConn wasn't in the Big East anymore. Seeing what used to be such an amazing tournament reduced to scraps and especially without UConn even there would just be depressing.

The whole thing just pisses me off just thinking about it.

Part of me wonders, if 50 years down the line, conferences break up into more regionally and rivalry centric conferences. I guess we can only hope.

 

[UConnDan97]

I guess the bottom line is at what point does the Big East stop being the Big East. How many teams represents a quorum? UConn, Syracuse, Pitt and BC would be gone. Are Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's and the corpses of
Seton Hall and Providence enough to
still call it the Big East Tournament?

I'm not worried about the point when the Big East stops being the Big East so long as UConn is in it. So long as the Big East can boast that we have 3 of the last thirteen national championships, along with countless other Final Fours (including the Ville, Marquette, and Memphis), there is still plenty of magic in the Big East. UConn goes....so does the BE. But I'm not worried about that until it happens...

 

[uconnfan68]

Until UCONN in 2011, the Big East had zero national Champions in the "realignment era" yet had the rep as having surpassed other leagues who actually produced multiple champs. Why?

So when did your "realignment era" start? Mine started in 2003, when the ACC set off the mess. The BE has 3 titles since then.

 

[whaler11]

I don't think I could bring myself to go if UConn wasn't in the Big East anymore. Seeing what used to be such an amazing tournament reduced to scraps and especially without UConn even there would just be depressing.

The whole thing just pisses me off just thinking about it.

Part of me wonders, if 50 years down the line, conferences break up into more regionally and rivalry centric conferences. I guess we can only hope.

I just like having a day or two in city to break up that half of year. I also just like tournament basketball, I usually warm up for BET at the America East or
MAAC

 

[whaler11]

I'm not worried about the point when the Big East stops being the Big East so long as UConn is in it. So long as the Big East can boast that we have 3 of the last thirteen national championships, along with countless other Final Fours (including the Ville, Marquette, and Memphis), there is still plenty of magic in the Big East. UConn goes....so does the BE. But I'm not worried about that until it happens...

Sure, I just don't see UConn in the Big East too far in future. If UConn and Louisville stay for the long term it can be saved, I just don't see it.

 

[Fishy]

The MSG/Big East deal is basically rubber-stamping the obvious. There was never a question that the two sides would extend the contract...and if they are both still around in ten years, they will extend it again. And again. And so on.

On the television deal, sorry, but a dollar from NBC is worth less than a dollar from ESPN.

Exposure is being on ESPN, ESPN2, etc. Exposure is not being on NBC Sports Universal....channel 408 is the witness protection program compared to ESPN.

 

[UConnDan97]

On the television deal, sorry, but a dollar from NBC is worth less than a dollar from ESPN.

So how much less, then? $0.90 on the dollar? $0.80? At some point, there has to be a cutoff. I don't believe that ESPN is going to make an honest push to offer the Big East more than say 10-11 million per team per year. So if NBC is 14 million, the Big East should say "no"?

The answer is "Of course not," just in case anyone was wondering. If the package is the same amount, it is likely that the Big East will stay with ESPN. If ESPN is less, there is no doubt in my mind that we're going to NBC or FOX...

 

[Fishy]

If the gap is millions, there's nothing to do, but hold their noses and pack up for channel 408.

Won't be particularly convenient or pleasant for fan bases and there'll be some withering on the vine when recruits of all stripes find out that Sportscenter is joining the moon as something they will never be on, but money is money.

 

[ZooCougar]

The Big East to NBC bears a great deal of risk and requires a leap of faith. That is why I think NBC is going to have to shell out some major money to get us to make that leap.

I think NBC wants to "mainstream" it's ancillary channels with a college sports lineup. I am not certain that the Big East on its own is enough to do that. I also can't believe that that the NBC execs are naive enough to believe that either.

I would not be surprised if the Big East ends up with a "hybrid" deal. Maybe with the bulk of the games on ESPN/ABC and the pick of the litter on NBC. Temple/Memphis Football will not do anything on NBC but Boise/Louisville will.

 

[Husky68]

Anyone who thinks the BE doesn't plan on doing everything allowed within the contract to present its case to bidders and get a "feel" for other bids even as I type, is wrong. Whatever the language of the contract says, you can get around it. BE will know what potential bidders are thinking well before ESPN gives its "take it or leave it: bid.
I've seen contract negotiations where a bidder has given "3 take it or leave it bids and then gave a 4th bid to win the contract". Amazing what happens in contract negotiations.

 

[Marty Jackson]

I think this is only partly true, but Aresco has to say it for 2 reasons. First to keep peace in the family, but also because it is the Big east's best known asset...so you tell the other guys that it is what they should care about even if they don't. But the reality is that there are some 320 basketball teams playing at the D1 level. If the Big East disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow, you could easily fill those time slots with any of the 306 remaining teams and 75% of the audience would know the difference. And you would save money too. Replace St Johns-UConn with UMass-Fordham and a little marketing and nobody would be the wiser. and you'd get them for a third the cost, too.

Are you saying that in BB people don't care about the teams? That the Uconn brand is on par with Fordham?
I have to disagree with that line of logic.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Anyone who thinks the BE doesn't plan on doing everything allowed within the contract to present its case to bidders and get a "feel" for other bids even as I type, is wrong. Whatever the language of the contract says, you can get around it. BE will know what potential bidders are thinking well before ESPN gives its "take it or leave it: bid.
I've seen contract negotiations where a bidder has given "3 take it or leave it bids and then gave a 4th bid to win the contract". Amazing what happens in contract negotiations.

Negotiations are essentially a game of chicken...
Never been directly involved but have also seen multiple 'Best Offers' to the point of pure bs.