ND Fans arguing over Big 10

[billybud]

animus nocendi

 

[huskyrob1]

res ipsa loquitur

Actori incumbit onus probatio

 

[billybud]

Et tu, Brute

Or maybe...Et tu, BC

 

[huskymedic]

ACC Media Days - Day 1
Dr. Saturday‏ @YahooDrSaturday 4m 4 minutes ago
John Swofford: If ND joins a conference between now and 2036, it will be the ACC. (He also said he doesn’t anticipate it happening)

Bryan Fischer‏@BryanDFischer 8m 8 minutes ago
Swofford brings up that if Notre Dame decides to join a conference, it will be the ACC between now and 2035-36 (18 years from now).

 

[huskyrob1]

ACC Media Days - Day 1
Dr. Saturday‏ @YahooDrSaturday 4m 4 minutes ago
John Swofford: If ND joins a conference between now and 2036, it will be the ACC. (He also said he doesn’t anticipate it happening)

Bryan Fischer‏@BryanDFischer 8m 8 minutes ago
Swofford brings up that if Notre Dame decides to join a conference, it will be the ACC between now and 2035-36 (18 years from now).

"The Boneyard" might take on a whole new meaning in 18 years. Lol

 

[NEforceUConn]

"The Boneyard" might take on a whole new meaning in 18 years. Lol

Name change to Boned Yard.

 

[pj]

I get the point. But uneven pods doesn't sound manageable, particularly if nested inside the concept of divisions. It's too clever by half.

It seems like an excellent idea to me. For the B1G, the two 4-team pods would be the extreme east and west teams, the 6 teams in the middle would make up the two 3-team pods which swap annually between the "East" and "West" divisions.

So, something like:
East Always: Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, Ohio State
West Always: Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Middle Pod C: Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana
Middle Pod D: Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue

 

[huskymedic]

ACC Media Days - Day 1
Dr. Saturday‏ @YahooDrSaturday 4m 4 minutes ago
John Swofford: If ND joins a conference between now and 2036, it will be the ACC. (He also said he doesn’t anticipate it happening)

Bryan Fischer‏@BryanDFischer 8m 8 minutes ago
Swofford brings up that if Notre Dame decides to join a conference, it will be the ACC between now and 2035-36 (18 years from now).

>>Q: Switching gears, what would it take for Notre Dame to join the ACC full time in football?

A: You can always weigh some circumstance that would do it, but we don’t think that way and we are very comfortable with and focused on our independence because of the things it does for the university, not for us. If we didn’t have a broadcast partner, that would be one thing. But we have a great relationship with NBC and look forward to that continuing. I don’t foresee any change in philosophy which would ever cause us to do it.

[On the first day of ACC media days Thursday, conference Commissioner John Swofford was asked this same question. He said Notre Dame joining the ACC as a full member is “not a point of discussion” between the university and the league. "There wasn’t an expectation that at some point in time Notre Dame would ask for full membership in football,” Swofford said. “That is not a point of discussion at this given point in time. Obviously, if Notre Dame reached the point where they wanted to have that discussion, we would readily sit down and speak with them about that."]

Q:Have you found that not having a 13th game or winning a conference is hurting Notre Dame as it pertains to the College Football Playoff?

A: There will be years where not having a conference championship works against us. We understand that, we factor it into our calculus. But, given the schedules we’re building, I’ll be very comfortable arguing most years that our 12 games compare favorably with everybody else’s 13. When you say a 13-game schedule is superior to our 12-game schedule, you have to compare all the games. We’re building schedules that I think will stand up to that comparison well. They’ll be very tough to navigate. No one will ever accuse us of backing in with the schedules we’ve built for the future.<<

 

[HoopsFan21]

The lack of a 13th game doesn't hurt ND, the fact that they aren't on the same level as the big boys (not many teams are) is probably the bigger issue. The gap between where the big boys are and where ND is was on display a few years ago when they played Alabama and it looked like a pro team playing a high school team.

 

[TerryD]

The lack of a 13th game doesn't hurt ND, the fact that they aren't on the same level as the big boys (not many teams are) is probably the bigger issue. The gap between where the big boys are and where ND is was on display a few years ago when they played Alabama and it looked like a pro team playing a high school team.

I think anyone would have been destroyed that night by Alabama. Look at the previous year. LSU was held scoreless by Alabama and didn't even cross the fifty yard line in a 21 point loss. Did that mean that LSU's talent level was below the "big boys" or that Alabama was and is on a different level than almost every other school??

 

[billybud]

Who are the "big boys"?

Michigan? Michigan State? LSU? Southern Cal? Oklahoma? (all beaten by Notre Dame in last few years).


Is Ohio State a "big boy" when they got their butt waxed 0-31 by Clemson?

 

[RioDog]

So ridiculous. The fact that we get a statement like "our 12 game schedule is comparable to everyone else's 13 game schedule" demonstrates how effed up BCS football is. The beauty contest continues.

 

[TerryD]

So ridiculous. The fact that we get a statement like "our 12 game schedule is comparable to everyone else's 13 game schedule" demonstrates how effed up BCS football is. The beauty contest continues.

Well, many times that thirteenth game for other schools might be an FCS team, for instance.........

 

[Irishfan]

Well, many times that thirteenth game for other schools might be an FCS team, for instance....

Like Holy Cross?

 

[Ldandy]

Well, many times that thirteenth game for other schools might be an FCS team, for instance....

Sure, or it could be a conference championship game against a highly ranked opponent. Pretty silly for anybody, ND included, to believe somehow less is more. I don't care who you are playing, you assume both risk of losing and risk of injury every time you take the field. Teams willing to assume that risk should be given greater consideration. If you are not willing to play in a conference, and compete for its championship, then schedule @ Hawaii every season so you have 13 games to compare to everyone else in the playoff discsussion.

 

[Zissou]

ND won't be penalized for 12 games. The biggest reason for a CCG is cash, and they have their own TV deal.

ND at 11-1 with an early season loss will look better than Georgia, for example, if Georgia went 11-1 or 12-0 and then lost the SEC Title game.

The CCG has its own downside. Cash is clearly an upside. CCG will not push ND to join a conference.

It is much more likely that the CFP expands before ND considers a conference, and then there is even less of a case for a conference membership.

 

[Irishfan]

Sure, or it could be a conference championship game against a highly ranked opponent. Pretty silly for anybody, ND included, to believe somehow less is more. I don't care who you are playing, you assume both risk of losing and risk of injury every time you take the field. Teams willing to assume that risk should be given greater consideration. If you are not willing to play in a conference, and compete for its championship, then schedule @ Hawaii every season so you have 13 games to compare to everyone else in the playoff discsussion.

Ohio State did not play in a conference championship game last year, but made it to the playoff. They did not win their conference. The team that won the conference actually beat Ohio State, but was left out of the playoff. Evidently, playing that 13th game, or winning a conference championship isn't all that important. It is apparent that the committee takes what it feels are the best four teams, whether they have played 12 or 13 games. I would expect that practice to continue.

 

[billybud]

Penn State lost two games...that was the killer for them.

Hard to make the play off with two losses if other teams are riding zero or one loss.

But...a 12-1 resume will trump a Notre Dame 11-1 resume, I think. Particularly if the 12-1 teams are also conference champs.

An undefeated Notre Dame might get in...

 

[Ldandy]

Penn State lost two games...that was the killer for them.

Hard to make the play off with two losses if other teams are riding zero or one loss.

But...a 12-1 resume will trump a Notre Dame 11-1 resume, I think. Particularly if the 12-1 teams are also conference champs.

An undefeated Notre Dame might get in...

Pretty much this. Conference championship games matter, but they are only one additional data point. Having two losses shut Penn State out of the tournament. It sucked but that's life. Unless ND goes undefeated or finishes 11-1 with a major resume of wins over ranked teams they have no shot of bumping a 12-0 or 11-1 B1G, SEC, PAC or ACC Champ. They won't bump UT or OU either.

 

[Zissou]

[QUOTE="Unless ND goes undefeated or finishes 11-1 with a major resume of wins over ranked teams they have no shot of bumping a 12-0 or 11-1 B1G, SEC, PAC or ACC Champ. They won't bump UT or OU either.[/QUOTE]
It's hard to have 2 losses and get into the 4 team CFP. The P5 teams that you hypothesize will have 13 total games.

Unless a P5 team goes undefeated of finishes 12-1 with a major resume of wins over ranked teams they have no shot of bumping a 12-0 or 11-1 Notre Dame.

The real question is can an 11-1 ND bump a 12-1 P5 team. Yes, there are plenty of scenarios where that is possible.

 

[billybud]

When they bump a 12-1 P5 conference champ...that will tell you something.

The Big 12 champ was passed over at 11-1...

Notre Dame did play for the BCS championship...but at 12-0...and. their opponent. Alabama, was the only other team in the Final BCS that won 12 games (12-1).

An unusual year in that there was only one undefeated team (Notre Dame)...and only one other team with 12 wins (Alabama).

 

[Ldandy]

[QUOTE="Unless ND goes undefeated or finishes 11-1 with a major resume of wins over ranked teams they have no shot of bumping a 12-0 or 11-1 B1G, SEC, PAC or ACC Champ. They won't bump UT or OU either.

It's hard to have 2 losses and get into the 4 team CFP. The P5 teams that you hypothesize will have 13 total games.

Unless a P5 team goes undefeated of finishes 12-1 with a major resume of wins over ranked teams they have no shot of bumping a 12-0 or 11-1 Notre Dame.

The real question is can an 11-1 ND bump a 12-1 P5 team. Yes, there are plenty of scenarios where that is possible.[/QUOTE]

Could they bump a 12-1 PAC Team? Hypothetically anything is possible as a committee of people pick the finalists. However I find it highly unlikely that a group of people with representatives from both B1G and PAC Programs are going to pass over a 12-1 PAC School for an 11-1 ND Team. That ND Team would have to put together a pretty stout resume to even dream of that happening. JMO but ND needs to go 12-0 or multiple P5 League representatives need to schit the bed.

 

[Irishfan]

Could they bump a 12-1 PAC Team? Hypothetically anything is possible as a committee of people pick the finalists. However I find it highly unlikely that a group of people with representatives from both B1G and PAC Programs are going to pass over a 12-1 PAC School for an 11-1 ND Team. That ND Team would have to put together a pretty stout resume to even dream of that happening. JMO but ND needs to go 12-0 or multiple P5 League representatives need to schit the bed.

Notre Dame plays two Pac12 teams each year for the next ten years (Stanford and USC) whether an 11-1 ND team could pass over a 12-1 Pac12 champ would probably depend on how that Pac12 champ played against Stanford and SC versus the way that ND fared against them. As far as the representation on the committee, ND also has ties to some of the members on the committee. (Not all of them good ones, but most are)

 

[billybud]

A 11-1 Notre Dame will not pass over a 12-1 SEC Champ

...nor a 12-1 Big Ten Champ

...nor, I think, a 12-1 ACC Champ (that champ would have to have its one loss to the Irish).

Maybe, maybe a 12-1 PAC Champ, if that champ's loss was to Notre Dame


If the stars all aligned in a once in a millennium event, and Notre Dame went 11-1 with wins over both the PAC Champ and ACC Champ...they would get in.

 

[JeepCSC]

It's easier to recruit when you are selling a chance to win titles, and not simply national ones. Notre Dame is in a situation unique in college football, as they are truly boom-or-bust. There is no safety net. If they don't make the playoffs, there is no hardware they can attain. No divisional bragging rights, or conference championship game, nothing besides a generic bowl somewhere in the desert. You ask the average football fan, Notre Dame has had one good season in 20 years. It's because they are completely off the radar if they aren't in the hunt for a national title. Their first loss, and the media stops paying attention to them. The media will follow FSU or Michigan or Washington past their first loss because there is still a divisional title on the line, and beyond that the conference title, and maybe redemption with a playoff bid. Notre Dame doesn't get that benefit now.