They’re good players and still young but every day it looks dumber and dumber that the Suns and Kings took Ayton and Bagley over this kid.
He’s already a top 10 player in the nba
No particular order: Lebron, Harden, Giannis, Davis, Kawhi, Curry, Durant (does he count? not sure how he will look post-injury), Paul George, Embiid, Jokic, Lillard.I admit I don't watch as much as most of you, but Top 10? Not sure there's that many better than this guy. Top 5 for sure from what I've seen but again I don't know.
Can someone name all the guys they believe are better because I probably miss a few in my head.
I admit I don't watch as much as most of you, but Top 10? Not sure there's that many better than this guy. Top 5 for sure from what I've seen but again I don't know.
Can someone name all the guys they believe are better because I probably miss a few in my head.
No particular order: Lebron, Harden, Giannis, Davis, Kawhi, Curry, Durant (does he count? not sure how he will look post-injury), Paul George, Embiid, Jokic, Lillard.
You could certainly argue that Luka is above a few of those guys. I think he probably has to prove it in the playoffs first.
EDIT: guys like Kyrie, Westbrook, Karl Anthony Towns, Kemba, Jimmy Butler would probably be in a second tier, like 10-20.
He's top 5, IMO. In no order- Kawhi, Lebron Giannis, Doncic, Durant. Everyone will probably scream Harden but I already think Doncic is better.He could be top 5. So far he is this season. The top players in the NBA in no order are Lebron, Giannis, Kawhi, Durant and Curry (when healthy), Harden, and probably Anthony Davis. Embid can also be considered. Last season Jokic was a top player but didn't come into this season in shape. Westbrook and Paul George are sometimes mentioned as well. So Doncic definitely has been a top 5 player this season if not top 2, but these other guys have been doing it for years. Doncic will probably win an MVP as soon as the Mavs are a 50 game winning team.
I love Doncic, but Harden is better than him. 1x MVP (Should be 3x btw) and consistently leads his teams to 55+ wins. Doncic is gonna be LeBron-esque in being probably the best player in the league for a decade plus, but He’s ~10 games into his sophomore season, lets not get TOO ahead of ourselves.He's top 5, IMO. In no order- Kawhi, Lebron Giannis, Doncic, Durant. Everyone will probably scream Harden but I already think Doncic is better.
No particular order: Lebron, Harden, Giannis, Davis, Kawhi, Curry, Durant (does he count? not sure how he will look post-injury), Paul George, Embiid, Jokic, Lillard.
You could certainly argue that Luka is above a few of those guys. I think he probably has to prove it in the playoffs first.
EDIT: guys like Kyrie, Westbrook, Karl Anthony Towns, Kemba, Jimmy Butler would probably be in a second tier, like 10-20.
Only argument would be GiannisA slightly different question. Is there anyone besides Doncic people would rather build a team around? I don't think I'd take anyone over him if I had to pick one player for the next 10-15 years.
Giannis or Simmons.....but all three are right there.A slightly different question. Is there anyone besides Doncic people would rather build a team around? I don't think I'd take anyone over him if I had to pick one player for the next 10-15 years.
Only argument would be Giannis
He's incredible. But he really needs to improve his outside shot.
Well the draw of the euro league is the kids go in at like 15 and are polished pros by 20. Whereas kids in America dick around in AAU for a few years then major in Eligibility for 9 months with a college coach, playing maybe 10 meaningful games.They’re good players and still young but every day it looks dumber and dumber that the Suns and Kings took Ayton and Bagley over this kid.
Really difficult to imagine the ceiling for Doncic when he is playing this well in year two.
A slightly different question. Is there anyone besides Doncic people would rather build a team around? I don't think I'd take anyone over him if I had to pick one player for the next 10-15 years.
Only argument would be Giannis
I don't agree with the argument you are making here. Yeah, Doncic was more prepared than Bagley and Ayton coming in, but that is a good thing. I also don't think he is anywhere near his ceiling. Look at the jump he made between years one and two. This kid is going to get better and better. If he has a ceiling, it's as the best player in the league.Well the draw of the euro league is the kids go in at like 15 and are polished pros by 20. Whereas kids in America dick around in AAU for a few years then major in Eligibility for 9 months with a college coach, playing maybe 10 meaningful games.
So he is likely way closer to his ceiling than are Ayton and Bagley
I mean, maybe he brings his 3 percentage to around 35% but what else can he do? He’s not a great defender, but never will be if he’s putting up 40 point triple doublesI don't agree with the argument you are making here. Yeah, Doncic was more prepared than Bagley and Ayton coming in, but that is a good thing. I also don't think he is anywhere near his ceiling. Look at the jump he made between years one and two. This kid is going to get better and better. If he has a ceiling, it's as the best player in the league.
For the sake of argument, let's say he's reached his ceiling already, in year two. He's an All-NBA guy on a playoff team despite a lackluster roster. That's an incredibly high level player. Bagley and Ayton aren't even close to that level. In several years, could they get there? Yeah, maybe, if they are lucky. But Luka is special.
There were arguments (misguided or not) to be made pre-draft that Bagley and Ayton were better prospects. It is not possible to make that argument now.