Louisville fans

[Icebear]

Yes, the carrying call was legit.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

But didn't she work both games that KML suffered injuries... that could have been prevented had the game been called tighter?

Sorry but that is ridiculous....unless you are just being ironic.

 

[Waquoit]

I heard a fan call the ref an , loud and clear. Never heard him after that - I wonder ifthe fan was asked to keep his insults PG rated.

That was great. He said, "They don't need anymore help you " (BTW, he was wrong, good play by us.). And what about that old lady on the bottom right going crazy about that travel no call, standing up doing the travel signal? (She was right). Great crowd, loud and I didn't see a rush to the exits late during the blowout. Good reffing job, too.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

That was great. He said, "They don't need anymore help you " (BTW, he was wrong, good play by us.). And what about that old lady on the bottom right going crazy about that travel no call, standing up doing the travel signal? (She was right). Great crowd, loud and I didn't see a rush to the exits late during the blowout. Good reffing job, too.

Re: Old Lady...Wrong. That is the local senior signal for more popcorn.

 

[Striper69]

Agree. A great environment for WBB and one that ill be sad to see go next year.

22k is bigger than a lot of MBB games...

When's the last time you heard about 22K at a men's BB game? WBB really needs a rivalry like this. IMO

I was at the Rutgers/USF game so I didn't watch this game until last night. I'm really impressed by Rutger's freshman guard Scaiffe but she had an off game Monday night. They fell behind most of the game and almost came back.

Back to Louisville/UCONN- about what I expected. I don't know if it meant too much for Louisville to beat UCONN in this game. They need to beat them in the NCAA tourney if at all. I think I know what needs to be done but I wanna see if Walz has something up his sleeve as well...

 

[reno tony]

what was the price of the tickets?

With about 3,000 tickets left they were from $9 to $18. Not out of line.

 

[DaddyChoc]

had to be a catch for that many fans... or was it "UConn" and/or they're serious about women's basketball in Louisville

 

[ChicagoGG]

One, I think that they are serious about WBB in Louisville. Angel does have a statue outside the YUM after all. Two, I think it has been widely reported that Native Americans from 38 states came to see Shoni on her senior night. Great that we prevailed in an atmosphere where the home teams fans were very into the game.

 

[Striper69]

Shoni's a big deal to Native people all over the country.

Native women have it pretty bad by and large especially those who stay on reservations. Most of them get pregnant at a very young age and end up single mothers. They suffer a lot of abuse from their spouses and either or both of them have drug and alcohol problems. It's the way it is.

These two girls have managed to capture the Native American imagination across the country because they're rising above all that. You don't see any or many Native men doing the same thing.

 

[ChicagoGG]

Notah Begay (golf). Jacoby Ellsbury (now a Yankee).

 

[Striper69]

Notah Begay (golf). Jacoby Ellsbury (now a Yankee).

Yeah, that's what I said.

 

[reno tony]

Shoni's a big deal to Native people all over the country.

Native women have it pretty bad by and large especially those who stay on reservations. Most of them get pregnant at a very young age and end up single mothers. They suffer a lot of abuse from their spouses and either or both of them have drug and alcohol problems. It's the way it is.

These two girls have managed to capture the Native American imagination across the country because they're rising above all that. You don't see any or many Native men doing the same thing.

There is a post game by Jeff on another thread and he talks about Shoni and Jude going on a tour of reservations over the last summer and how some venues had large Native turnouts during this season. He mentioned Oklahoma and Memphis in particular.

 

[UcMiami]

One, I think that they are serious about WBB in Louisville. Angel does have a statue outside the YUM after all. Two, I think it has been widely reported that Native Americans from 38 states came to see Shoni on her senior night. Great that we prevailed in an atmosphere where the home teams fans were very into the game.

And of course senior night with four seniors. Helped also that Louisville had a chance to tie for the AAC crown and that the opponent was undefeated and #1 in the land. It is nice that this was not a free beer night or a free race horse night, but rather all about the basketball, the teams involved and the players. Not sure if the 'Native American Appreciation' theme had any discounting involved but I think not - just a public thank you to the tribes that have turned out both in Louisville and everywhere else Louisville has played this year. The were native americans performing I gather before the game and during the time-outs - would have been nice if ESPN had shown a few clips during the halftime telecast.
Shonni and Jude also spent a lot of the summer doing speaking tours around the country at the various reservations - very impressive. And I liked the fact that Jeff had the whole team signing autographs until the last fans left after the game.
Louisville under Jeff has done a great job building fan support for the women's program - they have been at or near the top every year in attendance numbers and I can't think of another regular season game beyond a TN/Uconn revival that would likely bring in that many people without some serious gimmick marketing. (there aren't that many home venues that have that capacity either.)

 

[Kibitzer]

Shoni's a big deal to Native people all over the country.

Native women have it pretty bad by and large especially those who stay on reservations. Most of them get pregnant at a very young age and end up single mothers. They suffer a lot of abuse from their spouses and either or both of them have drug and alcohol problems. It's the way it is.

These two girls have managed to capture the Native American imagination across the country because they're rising above all that. You don't see any or many Native men doing the same thing.

Surely you have some reliable documentation to verify your revelations about typical (or is it stereotypical?) behavioral patterns of young Native-American women and men.

 

[DaddyChoc]

Surely you have some reliable documentation to verify your revelations about typical (or is it stereotypical?) behavioral patterns of young Native-American women and men.

Good Question...

 

[Striper69]

Surely you have some reliable documentation to verify your revelations about typical (or is it stereotypical?) behavioral patterns of young Native-American women and men.

I've been around it my entire life. I am a "Native American". Been to reservations a lot but would not want to live on one. No jobs, a lot of alcohol addiction etc etc.

Go to one and spend a week or two on one if you don't believe me.


The very concept of a "reservation" is unique to the U.S.

Americans still refer to Native people of the U.S. as "Indians" which is ignorant as...

We're not from India.

 

[Icebear]

I've been around it my entire life. I am a "Native American". Been to reservations a lot but would not want to live on one. No jobs, a lot of alcohol addiction etc etc.

Go to one and spend a week or two on one if you don't believe me. YOU ARE ASSUMING PEOPLE HAVEN'T


The very concept of a "reservation" is unique to the U.S.

SOME Americans still refer to Native people of the U.S. as "Indians" which is ignorant as...

We're not from India.

 

[Striper69]

No.

 

[Waquoit]

We need more businesses like this one.

 

[VAMike23]

Seems to me that someone who is Native American and represents that they have spent a lot of time in/on reservations is perfectly entitled to make general comments with reasonable qualifiers like "by and large" and "most," particularly as these comments were not made as any kind of snarky rejoinder.

If you are implying that Kib is also Native American, or has spent a lot of time on reservations, why don't you offer that info? I honestly don't know the answer to that. If he is, and if he has spent time on reservations, he can offer that in due time and the two posters can compare notes in this thread if they choose. Otherwise, you were not on that reply, Kib was. There is nothing in Striper's post that implies any "assumption" about anyone else's experiences/knowledge of life on reservations.

RE: "Indians" you raise a good point as a lot more people use the term Native American today than in the past.

Not sure why this isn't showing up (on my screen at least) as a reply to Icebear. When I click on "edit" I see the HTML code is there to quote Ice's post.

 

[katiecrum1992]

I've been around it my entire life. I am a "Native American". Been to reservations a lot but would not want to live on one. No jobs, a lot of alcohol addiction etc etc.

Go to one and spend a week or two on one if you don't believe me.


The very concept of a "reservation" is unique to the U.S.

Americans still refer to Native people of the U.S. as "Indians" which is ignorant as...

We're not from India.

Apparently we use that term because when Columbus landed here he thought he was in India. Major navigational error.
At least that's what I've read.

 

[Icebear]

Seems to me that someone who is Native American and represents that they have spent a lot of time in/on reservations is perfectly entitled to make general comments with reasonable qualifiers like "by and large" and "most," particularly as these comments were not made as any kind of snarky rejoinder.

If you are implying that Kib is also Native American, or has spent a lot of time on reservations, why don't you offer that info? I honestly don't know the answer to that. If he is, and if he has spent time on reservations, he can offer that in due time and the two posters can compare notes in this thread if they choose. Otherwise, you were not on that reply, Kib was. There is nothing in Striper's post that implies any "assumption" about anyone else's experiences/knowledge of life on reservations.

RE: "Indians" you raise a good point as a lot more people use the term Native American today than in the past.

It was the qualifier that I added for the reason you suggest. I, too, have Native American background on my mother's side. It is never safe to make assumptions without alliance's. I have been to a number of "reservations" although I prefer the term " native lands" or "tribal lands."

In my experience most people today do use the term Native American which is why I chose SOME rather than MOST. Personally, I like the Canadian Term " First Nation." There is nothing "American" about aboriginal peoples since "American" is not a native term but is rather European.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

Russians...

http://article.wn.com/view/WNAT576C0609A2A5220602CA0865FEE407D6/

 

[UcMiami]

I've been around it my entire life. I am a "Native American". Been to reservations a lot but would not want to live on one. No jobs, a lot of alcohol addiction etc etc.

Go to one and spend a week or two on one if you don't believe me.


The very concept of a "reservation" is unique to the U.S.

Americans still refer to Native people of the U.S. as "Indians" which is ignorant as...

We're not from India.

I am too lazy to look for it, but there have been academic/scientific studies done dealing with social issues on reservations that do support your personal experiences. I am not sure how conditions have changed with the large influx of casino money over the last couple of decades, but I suspect as with other areas where casinos are legal, the advertised benefits to the societies during the legalization fight have seldom been really successfully translated to the lower ends of those societies.
There are also some genetic issues within different races that relate to metabolism and body chemistries as well as susceptibility to various diseases that are very real - biologically we are not all created equally within races nor across races. Personally I have a hereditary propensity toward diabetes (type II) that duly arrived 10 years ago thanks to my mother's family genetics. And that happens to be a variant that males are much more susceptible to than females.

 

[cabbie191]

Surely you have some reliable documentation to verify your revelations about typical (or is it stereotypical?) behavioral patterns of young Native-American women and men.

Between my wife and myself, we have worked as volunteers with 8 different Native American tribes in 7 different states. Sad to say, pretty accurate and universal descriptions based on our experiences.