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I see, UConn was accepted over them? I missed that.


if I weren't, what would change in the fact pattern?

I will say exactly what I am. I am a grad school alum. I am a sports fan but I will pick and choose. I am not a particular fan of basketball and only went to one game over 3 years and two over 5. The first one for free in a snowstorm the second as an exhibition involving the undergrad. This despite living across from Gampel for 3 years. I am not going to lie about the state of nature and state of play out of some sort of chauvinism.

I admit I'm mostly in this for football but I'm a sports fan in general. I also won't lie to myself about the fact pattern that's emerging in sports writ large. It is quite ugly. I would be more bullish if I thought warranted it. I think the disintegration of the first big east has served virtually none of the schools. Maybe Virginia Tech at best. I think football would be better off in ANY conference temporarily. I think basketball is in the best situation that can be managed at the moment. I think a healthy northeast based conference would be in UConn's best interest but that ship sailed long long ago and even BE basketball is a phantom of its former self but a respectable quality phantom.

I think the power 5/4/3/2 are going to fork (as in split) what remains of the college landscape for their own financial ends. They will end the basketball scene because it will make money as soon as they can ensure the remaining splinters can't raise a credible competitor. Finito. Done. There is no special elf magic that's going to hold basketball together just because. That's a religious belief. Is it a shame? Absolutely. Will it happen. Yes, in the next 10 years. Why is this going to happen? Because the Big 10 and the SEC already told you it is going to happen. You are not special. You will not be saved. So I say "you" instead of "we"... ok, that changes nothing about the future.

Maybe we'll see each other at the DC alumni event if UConn MBB makes a deep run. That changes nothing in terms of UConn's position in the greater sports landscape. Maybe something happens in the ACC crackup. That's just a different type of moving backwards because the long goal is to separate out basketball into the Power 3/2 because the game is that the power conferences get all the money and UConn sits on the outside. Maybe there's a delusion here that UConn will be welcomed in if we dropped football? That would be an interesting theory. Want to run with that one "UConn fan"?
Appreciate your honesty and candidness. Perhaps you are right and in 5-10 years D1 athletics is down to just the B1G and SEC, I don't think it'll happen but stranger things have happened.

What I will say tho, and what I have the biggest disagreement with you and Zoo, is the assumption that what led to realignment in the past is what will lead to realignment in the future.

The media landscape is changing, Fox, ESPN et al are creating standalone streaming products. Cable boxes and markets no longer carry the weight they used to. Media deals will now be based on how many people are willing to pay $50 a month to watch their teams play. Schools like Kansas, Duke, and yes even UConn, have enough fans to move the needle.
 
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Speaking of Folkore. You’re practically Taylor Swift.

Did it ever even occur to you that this was spin?

This was not happening.
It's worse if they thought it was. There was a 1% chance that when Colorado left everyone else would have decided to stick together. The prisoners dilemma is taught in all UConn 1000 level econ courses. Maybe they should attend some.
 
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It's worse if they thought it was. There was a 1% chance that when Colorado left everyone else would have decided to stick together. The prisoners dilemma is taught in all UConn 1000 level econ courses. Maybe they should attend some.

Kristin Stewart in the Dry Fridays SNL skit was less clueless.
 

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Speaking of Folkore. You’re practically Taylor Swift.

Did it ever even occur to you that this was spin?

This was not happening.
Sure, whenever ever other people who have firsthand knowledge disagree with what you would imagine to be the truth, they must be lying.

Makes perfect sense to me.
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That was not the deal. Thats folklore.

And think about what you were saying. We were plan C.

And nobody was for implementing plan C.

This was not a thing that was going to happen.

Stop torturing yourself and embrace the truth.
That what went down as explained to me by two different sources. I have no reason to disbelieve them- they are not dreamers. And the story certainly fits well with what happened with football recruiting last spring- the staff whispering b12.

Now, was it always all a ruse to coax AZ? Yeah, that seems possible at this point. Not sure it will ever be known for sure.
 
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comparing basketball to football revenues from the argument before the two-way conversation chewed through 3 pages:

The top 4 basketball earners (from that college raptor source):
Duke $47.8M
Syracuse $35.8M
North Carolina $33.2M
UConn $32.6M

Now their football revenue:
Duke $64.7M
North Carolina $55.6M
Syracuse $50.2M
UConn $18.4M

They've pretty much hit the top of the market for basketball, but even the top three basketball earners get between 60% & 67% more revenue from their football programs. The easiest way for UConn to address some of that inequity is find a path that eventually nets them more TV/conference revenue from football.
 
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comparing basketball to football revenues from the argument before the two-way conversation chewed through 3 pages:

The top 4 basketball earners (from that college raptor source):
Duke $47.8M
Syracuse $35.8M
North Carolina $33.2M
UConn $32.6M

Now their football revenue:
Duke $64.7M
North Carolina $55.6M
Syracuse $50.2M
UConn $18.4M

They've pretty much hit the top of the market for basketball, but even the top three basketball earners get between 60% & 67% more revenue from their football programs. The easiest way for UConn to address some of that inequity is find a path that eventually nets them more TV/conference revenue from football.

Just a note - I’m pretty sure that the basketball revenue number for UConn is for both the MBB & WBB programs.
 
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Just a note - I’m pretty sure that the basketball revenue number for UConn is for both the MBB & WBB programs.
I thought that might be the case.. as I couldn’t find any women’s sports broken out.. which ultimately eliminates another way to “make up” the “missing” non-basketball revenue
 
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What I find sad is that these schools didn’t want to go to Big 12.

Yeah. It was a consolation or a necessary evil.

And the PAC 12 had a bonkers year. You can’t tell me they couldn’t have declined the deal, and then gotten something better a few months later.

Much of this is driven by fear, cowardice, and jealousy.

I hate the SEC, but at least they have retained their core identity and that is part of their immense value.
 
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That what went down as explained to me by two different sources. I have no reason to disbelieve them- they are not dreamers. And the story certainly fits well with what happened with football recruiting last spring- the staff whispering b12.

Now, was it always all a ruse to coax AZ? Yeah, that seems possible at this point. Not sure it will ever be known for sure.

In order for it to happen for us, several things that were always going to happen needed to not happen.

Alas, it was not close. We were oceans away. Stop torturing yourself.

Plus it’s not even certain that the Big 12 members would have voted us in.
 
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All public statements (and private comments from UConn people to fans) indicate we were in the Big 12 until literally the night before. I think we were overall Plan B, but became more of a Plan A as the PAC 12 media negotiations dragged on. Then the B1G came in and blew up the PAC. I honestly think that was a very late development. Then the B12 had a blown up PAC and their Plan A.

Are Zoo et al be correct that there is a strong desire for some B12 institutions not to add UConn? Of course. Did it all unfold according to their plan, exactly as they thought it would? I don't think so. But it ended up they way they wanted.

Whatever. I'm more concerned about what this means moving forward. Does the addition of the corner schools last summer help Yormark convince the B12 membership to expand east next time? And if yes, would that include UConn? It may not. If the ACC blows up, we may not be more attractive than available brands. I think we are, but I am not a B12 president or chairman of a Board of Trustees. We will see.
 
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I have never believed that UConn was the bait dangled to encourage the other schools to jump away. There may be some degree of truth to it but I've never seen it as a strong thing.

I've always seen it as the "awkward proviso" to stop an odd numbered configuration as well as an Eastern gambit on yormarks part

what i think is clear is that the b12 schools themselves were never really keen on the idea and may have only done so reluctantly
 

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In order for it to happen for us, several things that were always going to happen needed to not happen.

Alas, it was not close. We were oceans away. Stop torturing yourself.

Plus it’s not even certain that the Big 12 members would have voted us in.
I don't understand you comment "stop torturing yourself" - why do you think I am tortured? The July 2023 B12 invite collapsed when AZ rolled in. Nothing more to it. We obviously disagree here about what went down, but I certainly don't feel tortured here. It is what it is. And yes, in retrospect, maybe Yormark always knew his efforts for UConn were just a ploy to push others. Colorado needed a willing pairing partner and we filled that rolled for a couple months until we didn't.
 
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comparing basketball to football revenues from the argument before the two-way conversation chewed through 3 pages:

The top 4 basketball earners (from that college raptor source):
Duke $47.8M
Syracuse $35.8M
North Carolina $33.2M
UConn $32.6M

Now their football revenue:
Duke $64.7M
North Carolina $55.6M
Syracuse $50.2M
UConn $18.4M

They've pretty much hit the top of the market for basketball, but even the top three basketball earners get between 60% & 67% more revenue from their football programs. The easiest way for UConn to address some of that inequity is find a path that eventually nets them more TV/conference revenue from football.

What really needs to happen is the NCAA needs to give more than 30% of the NCAA tournament contract to the schools... it's an absolute killer for basketball powers. The football schools figured this out a long time ago and cut the NCAA out. The basketball schools need to do the same. The tv contract for the ncaa tournament is +/- 900 million annually. The new playoff football contract is 1.3 billion annually. The only difference is, the football schools keep pretty much all of the money where in basketball the schools only keep 30%. This is totally outrageous and absolutely kills UConn more than any other school.
 
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The TV contract for the NCAA Tournament is widely regarded as a bargain... the NCAA renewed without going to market to keep the longer term guarantee. You have 67 fairly well rated content windows covered by it, including what will likely be at least 3 of the top 10 (potentially 3 of the top 5 given past history and depending on the participants in the NBA finals) rated basketball games (collegiate or pro) during the year.

That could also provide the potential impetus for the same powers soaking up all the football revenue to look to cut their own deal where they don't have to share with every other NCAA sport and member (down to D3).
 
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I don't understand you comment "stop torturing yourself" - why do you think I am tortured? The July 2023 B12 invite collapsed when AZ rolled in. Nothing more to it. We obviously disagree here about what went down, but I certainly don't feel tortured here. It is what it is. And yes, in retrospect, maybe Yormark always knew his efforts for UConn were just a ploy to push others. Colorado needed a willing pairing partner and we filled that rolled for a couple months until we didn't.

There is more to it. To get UConn in you need a Rube Goldbergesque chain of events to occur. It was never to be.
 
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What really needs to happen is the NCAA needs to give more than 30% of the NCAA tournament contract to the schools... it's an absolute killer for basketball powers. The football schools figured this out a long time ago and cut the NCAA out. The basketball schools need to do the same. The tv contract for the ncaa tournament is +/- 900 million annually. The new playoff football contract is 1.3 billion annually. The only difference is, the football schools keep pretty much all of the money where in basketball the schools only keep 30%. This is totally outrageous and absolutely kills UConn more than any other school.
What do you think the NCAA is? Why do you think you're part of the basketball powers? Have you not read this thread?
 
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Just a note - I’m pretty sure that the basketball revenue number for UConn is for both the MBB & WBB programs.

Take these numbers for football and add about 45 mil to Uconns 18 if Uconn was in a power conference from TV numbers alone. Sorry subtract 900k from cbssports from that final number...
 
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What really needs to happen is the NCAA needs to give more than 30% of the NCAA tournament contract to the schools... it's an absolute killer for basketball powers. The football schools figured this out a long time ago and cut the NCAA out. The basketball schools need to do the same. The tv contract for the ncaa tournament is +/- 900 million annually. The new playoff football contract is 1.3 billion annually. The only difference is, the football schools keep pretty much all of the money where in basketball the schools only keep 30%. This is totally outrageous and absolutely kills UConn more than any other school.
Not 100 percent sure how the revenue sharing works but at least 68 teams in NCAA tournament while going forward only 24 teams in football. I am sure the conferences get a big cut
 

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