BUConn10
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Someone start a "best opioids" thread, we are gonna need it.Man it's gonna be a long offseason. Heading to the best beer thread
Someone start a "best opioids" thread, we are gonna need it.Man it's gonna be a long offseason. Heading to the best beer thread
Sorry, can't. Only if I operate on you.Someone start a "best opioids" thread, we are gonna need it.
Absolutely agree on the flat starts but there were also several games like the Cincy game I referenced where things started okay but the other team made big adjustments and we never did. The complete 40 minute efforts have been few and far between.See this is where it's weird for me. I saw a team that, game in game out, came out unready, yet usually battled back and made a tough game out of it. They were mentally tough in their own way.
To put it another way, if KO could figure out how to get his guys out of the gate at a good clip, they would have one a LOT more games last year.
Or a best "medical" marijuana thread and the best dispensary to find it.Someone start a "best opioids" thread, we are gonna need it.
Sorry, can't. Only if I operate on you.
Oh, sure!! (But I'm not naming names.)Be honest. Is there no one on this board you've considered prescribing an accidental overdose?
This is probably the most well thought out post on this board in a while. It explains both "sides" perfectly.I think there are some fallacies on both sides here.
To the extent that the conference and/or sanctions have been limiting factors should be evident in how we recruit, and until recently, it hasn't been a huge problem. We haven't recruited at the level of a Kentucky or Duke, but we've pretty much been at that next tier, roping in lots of four star talent and the occasional five star. Between Purvis, Hamilton, Adams, Facey, and Calhoun, that is three five stars and two four stars that have soaked up the bulk of minutes over the last three seasons, and we've filled in most of the remaining minutes with quality grad transfers. Our recruiting hasn't been so much different than Villanova's - obviously, not everything has broken our way, but the idea that we can't expect to be a top 25 type program because we're in the AAC is a crutch in my opinion.
But some of you are longing for competent basketball as if we're BC fans or something. It was only a single year ago that we finished 26th on KenPom, won the AAC tournament, and returned what was a top 20 team preseason. This narrative that the fans have been apathetic for years and only ever exposed to poor basketball does not jive with reality. What many of you clamor for - a healthy pipeline of recruits, constant buzz around the program, and postseason relevancy - is precisely what we have had. If D-Ham returns for his junior year and we don't get buried with an onslaught of injuries, we're coming off back-to-back productive seasons and nobody is having this discussion. (And I'm aware that it does not work like that, but it demonstrates the fickleness of success; if you're looking to make a holistic assessment of where this program is, you need to isolate as many variables as possible). The mood on this board the last couple off-seasons was actually quite good - people were unsatisfied with the results, but the program seemed to be moving in a positive direction. To that end, I hear what @Stairmaster is saying because it hasn't been that long since we've had the things we claim to want.
I think this is important to annotate because I can already begin to see the results of next season - good or bad - distorting the bigger picture. A world exists in which we are a top 25 team and make the sweet sixteen next season and Ollie's job is still in jeopardy. A world also exists in which we finish in the middle of the pack in the conference again but his job is secure. It's all about trajectory and that means on the court and on the trail; if we're a frustrating team next season that comes together at the end of the year and Chil is lighting it up for 2018, I'm content with that. If Jalen Adams becomes the best player in the country and we have nobody in the front court to take advantage of his talent and nobody coming in to help replace him, I'm not content. One or two or three players can distort a lot about the outlook of a program. That happened this season in a way that has caused us to believe things are worse than they are and I think the opposite could happen next season. You're not grading a coach on a curve so much as you're grading him within the context of everything else that is going on, which is why I think the ultimatums are silly.
MrChamps99and04,I think there are some fallacies on both sides here.
To the extent that the conference and/or sanctions have been limiting factors should be evident in how we recruit, and until recently, it hasn't been a huge problem. We haven't recruited at the level of a Kentucky or Duke, but we've pretty much been at that next tier, roping in lots of four star talent and the occasional five star. Between Purvis, Hamilton, Adams, Facey, and Calhoun, that is three five stars and two four stars that have soaked up the bulk of minutes over the last three seasons, and we've filled in most of the remaining minutes with quality grad transfers. Our recruiting hasn't been so much different than Villanova's - obviously, not everything has broken our way, but the idea that we can't expect to be a top 25 type program because we're in the AAC is a crutch in my opinion.
But some of you are longing for competent basketball as if we're BC fans or something. It was only a single year ago that we finished 26th on KenPom, won the AAC tournament, and returned what was a top 20 team preseason. This narrative that the fans have been apathetic for years and only ever exposed to poor basketball does not jive with reality. What many of you clamor for - a healthy pipeline of recruits, constant buzz around the program, and postseason relevancy - is precisely what we have had. If D-Ham returns for his junior year and we don't get buried with an onslaught of injuries, we're coming off back-to-back productive seasons and nobody is having this discussion. (And I'm aware that it does not work like that, but it demonstrates the fickleness of success; if you're looking to make a holistic assessment of where this program is, you need to isolate as many variables as possible). The mood on this board the last couple off-seasons was actually quite good - people were unsatisfied with the results, but the program seemed to be moving in a positive direction. To that end, I hear what @Stairmaster is saying because it hasn't been that long since we've had the things we claim to want.
I think this is important to annotate because I can already begin to see the results of next season - good or bad - distorting the bigger picture. A world exists in which we are a top 25 team and make the sweet sixteen next season and Ollie's job is still in jeopardy. A world also exists in which we finish in the middle of the pack in the conference again but his job is secure. It's all about trajectory and that means on the court and on the trail; if we're a frustrating team next season that comes together at the end of the year and Chil is lighting it up for 2018, I'm content with that. If Jalen Adams becomes the best player in the country and we have nobody in the front court to take advantage of his talent and nobody coming in to help replace him, I'm not content. One or two or three players can distort a lot about the outlook of a program. That happened this season in a way that has caused us to believe things are worse than they are and I think the opposite could happen next season. You're not grading a coach on a curve so much as you're grading him within the context of everything else that is going on, which is why I think the ultimatums are silly.
God you're a moron. Seriously. The program has already been built thanks to Calhoun. The infrastructure is there and so is the history. You should be ashamed to call yourself a what, a fan? Alum? Whatever you are.
We're not in a recruiting desert. We don't have shty facilities. We don't pay peanuts. But it's easier to think 16-17 is the best we can do right? Might as well not watch anymore, we're screwed and it will only get worse. Right.
I think there are some fallacies on both sides here.
To the extent that the conference and/or sanctions have been limiting factors should be evident in how we recruit, and until recently, it hasn't been a huge problem. We haven't recruited at the level of a Kentucky or Duke, but we've pretty much been at that next tier, roping in lots of four star talent and the occasional five star. Between Purvis, Hamilton, Adams, Facey, and Calhoun, that is three five stars and two four stars that have soaked up the bulk of minutes over the last three seasons, and we've filled in most of the remaining minutes with quality grad transfers. Our recruiting hasn't been so much different than Villanova's - obviously, not everything has broken our way, but the idea that we can't expect to be a top 25 type program because we're in the AAC is a crutch in my opinion.
But some of you are longing for competent basketball as if we're BC fans or something. It was only a single year ago that we finished 26th on KenPom, won the AAC tournament, and returned what was a top 20 team preseason. This narrative that the fans have been apathetic for years and only ever exposed to poor basketball does not jive with reality. What many of you clamor for - a healthy pipeline of recruits, constant buzz around the program, and postseason relevancy - is precisely what we have had. If D-Ham returns for his junior year and we don't get buried with an onslaught of injuries, we're coming off back-to-back productive seasons and nobody is having this discussion. (And I'm aware that it does not work like that, but it demonstrates the fickleness of success; if you're looking to make a holistic assessment of where this program is, you need to isolate as many variables as possible). The mood on this board the last couple off-seasons was actually quite good - people were unsatisfied with the results, but the program seemed to be moving in a positive direction. To that end, I hear what @Stairmaster is saying because it hasn't been that long since we've had the things we claim to want.
I think this is important to annotate because I can already begin to see the results of next season - good or bad - distorting the bigger picture. A world exists in which we are a top 25 team and make the sweet sixteen next season and Ollie's job is still in jeopardy. A world also exists in which we finish in the middle of the pack in the conference again but his job is secure. It's all about trajectory and that means on the court and on the trail; if we're a frustrating team next season that comes together at the end of the year and Chil is lighting it up for 2018, I'm content with that. If Jalen Adams becomes the best player in the country and we have nobody in the front court to take advantage of his talent and nobody coming in to help replace him, I'm not content. One or two or three players can distort a lot about the outlook of a program. That happened this season in a way that has caused us to believe things are worse than they are and I think the opposite could happen next season. You're not grading a coach on a curve so much as you're grading him within the context of everything else that is going on, which is why I think the ultimatums are silly.
lol way to miss the point. he said that "people forgot Dom Perno" which is a moronic statement that holds no relevance to our current situation. Dom Perno coached at a point in time where UConn had accomplished nothing. Ollie has had so much more to work with that the situations aren't remotely comparable. The only thing in common is that the school is still in Storrs.How's Georgetown been lately? John Thompson built it, so it must still be a perennial top 20 power. Right?
How's St Johns been lately? Louie built it, so it must still be a perennial top 20 power. Right?
How's Indiana been lately? Bobby Knight built it, so it must still be a perennial top 20 power. Right?
Upstater's a moron? Yeah, not seeing that.
lol way to miss the point. he said that "people forgot Dom Perno" which is a moronic statement that holds no relevance to our current situation. Dom Perno coached at a point in time where UConn had accomplished nothing. Ollie has had so much more to work with that the situations aren't remotely comparable. The only thing in common is that the school is still in Storrs.
How's Indiana been lately? Bobby Knight built it, so it must still be a perennial top 20 power. Right?
I think there are some fallacies on both sides here.
To the extent that the conference and/or sanctions have been limiting factors should be evident in how we recruit, and until recently, it hasn't been a huge problem. We haven't recruited at the level of a Kentucky or Duke, but we've pretty much been at that next tier, roping in lots of four star talent and the occasional five star. Between Purvis, Hamilton, Adams, Facey, and Calhoun, that is three five stars and two four stars that have soaked up the bulk of minutes over the last three seasons, and we've filled in most of the remaining minutes with quality grad transfers. Our recruiting hasn't been so much different than Villanova's - obviously, not everything has broken our way, but the idea that we can't expect to be a top 25 type program because we're in the AAC is a crutch in my opinion.
But some of you are longing for competent basketball as if we're BC fans or something. It was only a single year ago that we finished 26th on KenPom, won the AAC tournament, and returned what was a top 20 team preseason. This narrative that the fans have been apathetic for years and only ever exposed to poor basketball does not jive with reality. What many of you clamor for - a healthy pipeline of recruits, constant buzz around the program, and postseason relevancy - is precisely what we have had. If D-Ham returns for his junior year and we don't get buried with an onslaught of injuries, we're coming off back-to-back productive seasons and nobody is having this discussion. (And I'm aware that it does not work like that, but it demonstrates the fickleness of success; if you're looking to make a holistic assessment of where this program is, you need to isolate as many variables as possible). The mood on this board the last couple off-seasons was actually quite good - people were unsatisfied with the results, but the program seemed to be moving in a positive direction. To that end, I hear what @Stairmaster is saying because it hasn't been that long since we've had the things we claim to want.
I think this is important to annotate because I can already begin to see the results of next season - good or bad - distorting the bigger picture. A world exists in which we are a top 25 team and make the sweet sixteen next season and Ollie's job is still in jeopardy. A world also exists in which we finish in the middle of the pack in the conference again but his job is secure. It's all about trajectory and that means on the court and on the trail; if we're a frustrating team next season that comes together at the end of the year and Chil is lighting it up for 2018, I'm content with that. If Jalen Adams becomes the best player in the country and we have nobody in the front court to take advantage of his talent and nobody coming in to help replace him, I'm not content. One or two or three players can distort a lot about the outlook of a program. That happened this season in a way that has caused us to believe things are worse than they are and I think the opposite could happen next season. You're not grading a coach on a curve so much as you're grading him within the context of everything else that is going on, which is why I think the ultimatums are silly.
Using the Ignore feature prevents me from exposure to unacceptable levels of toxicity.Be honest. Is there no one on this board you've considered prescribing an accidental overdose?
I think there are some fallacies on both sides here.
To the extent that the conference and/or sanctions have been limiting factors should be evident in how we recruit, and until recently, it hasn't been a huge problem. We haven't recruited at the level of a Kentucky or Duke, but we've pretty much been at that next tier, roping in lots of four star talent and the occasional five star. Between Purvis, Hamilton, Adams, Facey, and Calhoun, that is three five stars and two four stars that have soaked up the bulk of minutes over the last three seasons, and we've filled in most of the remaining minutes with quality grad transfers. Our recruiting hasn't been so much different than Villanova's - obviously, not everything has broken our way, but the idea that we can't expect to be a top 25 type program because we're in the AAC is a crutch in my opinion.
But some of you are longing for competent basketball as if we're BC fans or something. It was only a single year ago that we finished 26th on KenPom, won the AAC tournament, and returned what was a top 20 team preseason. This narrative that the fans have been apathetic for years and only ever exposed to poor basketball does not jive with reality. What many of you clamor for - a healthy pipeline of recruits, constant buzz around the program, and postseason relevancy - is precisely what we have had. If D-Ham returns for his junior year and we don't get buried with an onslaught of injuries, we're coming off back-to-back productive seasons and nobody is having this discussion. (And I'm aware that it does not work like that, but it demonstrates the fickleness of success; if you're looking to make a holistic assessment of where this program is, you need to isolate as many variables as possible). The mood on this board the last couple off-seasons was actually quite good - people were unsatisfied with the results, but the program seemed to be moving in a positive direction. To that end, I hear what @Stairmaster is saying because it hasn't been that long since we've had the things we claim to want.
I think this is important to annotate because I can already begin to see the results of next season - good or bad - distorting the bigger picture. A world exists in which we are a top 25 team and make the sweet sixteen next season and Ollie's job is still in jeopardy. A world also exists in which we finish in the middle of the pack in the conference again but his job is secure. It's all about trajectory and that means on the court and on the trail; if we're a frustrating team next season that comes together at the end of the year and Chil is lighting it up for 2018, I'm content with that. If Jalen Adams becomes the best player in the country and we have nobody in the front court to take advantage of his talent and nobody coming in to help replace him, I'm not content. One or two or three players can distort a lot about the outlook of a program. That happened this season in a way that has caused us to believe things are worse than they are and I think the opposite could happen next season. You're not grading a coach on a curve so much as you're grading him within the context of everything else that is going on, which is why I think the ultimatums are silly.
While I agree with most of what you said, I fully believe that being ranked in the AP poll and winning a few tourney games helps keep the name out there as recruits see highlights on Sportscenter and similar shows. Both help create a buzz about the program.
UConn has been a ranked team very little over the past 3 seasons and has won one tourney game in that span. Both of those things need to change soon so that UConn is once again relevant on the national landscape.
Just when I'm getting curious about the Ignore Thread feature...
I'm still here, but it's not ungenerous to say that there's been an ebb & flow to the signal-to-noise ratio of this thread.Don't live in an echo chamber Hans.