Research A.C.C GOR thats all I have to say. Its a legal binding contract signed with free will. NO court will excuse a school from opting out of such a contract. I would like to sue my current bank/home mortgage company and break my contract. Reasons; Im tired of living in my current home and the bank down the street will set me up with a better place and a sweeter financial deal. Judge.....HELL NO.Dude, re-read my post. The conference doesn't get to keep the rights to home games free and clear; they keep the rights so long as they continue to pay that school for the duration of the agreement. If a conference were to keep all of the rights and not pay I can 99.8% guarantee that a court would refuse to enforce such a provision.
Research A.C.C GOR thats all I have to say. Its a legal binding contract signed with free will. NO court will excuse a school from opting out of such a contract. I would like to sue my current bank/home mortgage company and break my contract. Reasons; Im tired of living in my current home and the bank down the street will set me up with a better place and a sweeter financial deal. Judge.....HELL NO.
Research A.C.C GOR thats all I have to say. Its a legal binding contract signed with free will. NO court will excuse a school from opting out of such a contract. I would like to sue my current bank/home mortgage company and break my contract. Reasons; Im tired of living in my current home and the bank down the street will set me up with a better place and a sweeter financial deal. Judge.....HELL NO.
It's the same by high school and with intra-state details:
Your maxpreps image (linked above) is also telling. Connecticut high schools produced 24 current NFL players. That ties Indiana and beats Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, and Nebraska -- most of which have a larger population than Connecticut. On a per capita basis, Connecticut is nearly as good as New Jersey and beats Pennsylvania and Michigan and Maryland as a producer of NFL talent. Ohio is the only B1G state that is distinctly better on a per capita basis.
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My point is that in terms of the recruiting territory it brings with it, UConn would not bring the B1G down. We are essentially at the B1G state average as a source of high-level football players; and if UConn in the B1G brings a greater emphasis on football regionally, in NY and NE, then we may even help the B1G recruit.
Texas is never going to the Pac12 and without it Oklahoma isn't either. I've heard Dodds indicate that they WILL keep the Big 12 together, but if they were EVER to go anywhere, it would be east. Has to do with travel for athletes...if they have to continually go west to compete, the kids don't get home until mid morning the following day. Too hard on them physically and educationally. Forget the PAC12. If Texas isn't going, the whole Big 12 isn't going anywhere either.
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Poor recruiting in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, and Nebraska is why the Big Ten is actively searching for better recruiting grounds and one of the reasons why MD and NJ were chosen- saying that UConn is on par with those 4 states isn't really reassuring since you're confirming that UConn will be a 'taker' in recruiting.
You're also confusing # of pro players with # of collegiate players - that is not a good 1:1 correlation since different players have different length of careers, and many good athletes at the college level get passed up at the pro level due to various reasons.
Here's a table with # of FBS signees - http://footballrecruiting. /content.asp?CID=1470883
Edit : I guess this board edits out r-i-v-a-l-s-.-c-o-m ?
5) Yes, the board doesn't permit r i v a l s or s c o u t. Use bitly or tinyurl if you want to make a functional link.
3) I argued that UConn would not be a 'taker' from the B1G recruiting wise, but neutral -- adding as much as it loses.
4) I didn't confuse pro players with BCS recruits. I think pro players is a better indicator of impact talent. There are a ton of 2* and lower 3* players who can provide depth, and it's not hard to recruit them. It's the impact players that make universities competitive for BCS bowls and the national playoffs.
Research A.C.C GOR thats all I have to say. Its a legal binding contract signed with free will. NO court will excuse a school from opting out of such a contract. I would like to sue my current bank/home mortgage company and break my contract. Reasons; Im tired of living in my current home and the bank down the street will set me up with a better place and a sweeter financial deal. Judge.....HELL NO.
No one is walking out of a GOR. Think of it as trying to sell a house you have already sold. The TV rights no longer belong to the school to sell again.
Re-read my posts. There are a number of reasons you might walk out, especially if you think the league is going to crumble at the end. Going back to the Kansas example, they keep getting the Big12 money and join the CIC, B1G gets KU for scheduling (appealing for winter inventory) and may get BTN added at a higher rate in MO/KS because they would own the rights to KU road games.
The more I think about the GOR in the absence of an exit fee the less of a protection it appears to be for the conferences.
Texas is never going to the Pac12 and without it Oklahoma isn't either. I've heard Dodds indicate that they WILL keep the Big 12 together, but if they were EVER to go anywhere, it would be east. Has to do with travel for athletes...if they have to continually go west to compete, the kids don't get home until mid morning the following day. Too hard on them physically and educationally. Forget the PAC12. If Texas isn't going, the whole Big 12 isn't going anywhere either.
The number of recruits in the Big Ten's footprint is not the driver of Big Ten expansion.
It is the number of people therein that would be entertained by the Big Ten Network that is driving the bus. There is a higher premium on number of alumni in a given state because that group is more likely to watch their alma mater and conference teams. Exhibit A: New Yawk. Delany isn't pumping the Big Ten push into NY because it has 12 3* recruits for goodness sakes.
No one is walking out of a GOR. Think of it as trying to sell a house you have already sold. The TV rights no longer belong to the school to sell again.
From: http://espn.go.com/college-football...media-rights-deal-lock-schools-okd-presidents
"The ACC's grant of rights makes it untenable financially for a school to leave, guaranteeing in the 14 years of the deal that a school's media rights, including revenue, for all home games would remain with the ACC regardless of the school's affiliation." (Emphasis added)
I realize that is not a "legal" article, but nonetheless it substantiates the "power" of the Grant of Rights which has been talked about so much. Indeed, if schools could switch conferences on a whim where their old conference "retains their media rights" but yet the old conference then conveys those revenues directly to the school, then there is no "power" (or purpose) to a Grant of Rights.
While I think it is disingenuous and extreme, I do think Grants of Rights are effective at ensuring stability for the conference, and stability for the conference is generally perceived as "good" and "beneficial" to the member institutions -- that is the school's part of the quid pro quo. EDIT: Further, if the old conference conveyed the revenue to the school in their new conference, what exactly was the old conference's benefit(/quid pro quo)?
As has been discussed here previously, an additional "strength" of the Grant of Rights is that since four of the Power Five have them, those Four are probably going to be reluctant to try to legally challenge another's Grant of Rights.
Power & Purpose. There is definitely a power and purpose to the GOR. The fact that the conference was able to go out to bid (or even renegotiate as was the case with the ACC) with a set stable of inventory allowed them to negotiate a higher price which benefited all parties: ESPN knows exactly what the bought; and the ACC presumably got a better deal by assuring FSU/GT/CU content through 2022 or whatever year. If the GOR was an end-all-be-all please explain why the ACC retained a $50M exit fee?
Additional Strength. I think that is largely a fair point. But, there are two factors that could complicate that calculation. First, if Fox thinks they are in a stronger position than ESPN then they might not be worried about challenging it (e.g. Clemson would leave the ACC but there is no risk of OSU leaving the B1G). Second (which assumes the first), it may make sense for Fox to move inventory within their universe. There may be a case to be made that Fox, on the whole, could make more money with OK/TX in the B1G than in the B12.
Back to the Big12. There are four factors (in my mind) that make those teams the most likely to be poached. First, they have no exit fee. Second, their GOR expires first. Third, its members own their own T3 rights so they can pledge these into the BTN. And fourth, the demographics in that league are terrible so to the extent a University wants to market itself beyond TX/OK/KS/IO/WV they are going to be looking elsewhere.
Yes, but again, there is no power or strength in a GoR to ensure stability if the school can still get paid from the old conference as a member of a new conference. So maybe we are in violent agreement here.
I think it is an incontrovertible fact that the ACC is stronger and more stable, for the present and future, than the Big 12. Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma will always be safe. Arguably -- but not 100% assuredly -- Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and Kansas State are safe by extension. Iowa State, TCU, and Baylor are far from safe, IMHO. While right now WVU looks fat in the Big12, I'd argue that UConn has/will have the brighter future the instant it gets into a Power 5 Conference; if Big12 imploded, I'd think B1G and ACC would welcome UConn far ahead of WVU. And I have my doubts SEC wants WVU, either. (With regard to UConn: If B1G or ACC do not call UConn, I hope the Big 12 does call UConn, but that would be stopgap measure; the long-term goal should remain B1G or ACC.)
From: http://espn.go.com/college-football...media-rights-deal-lock-schools-okd-presidents
"The ACC's grant of rights makes it untenable financially for a school to leave, guaranteeing in the 14 years of the deal that a school's media rights, including revenue, for all home games would remain with the ACC regardless of the school's affiliation." (Emphasis added)
I realize that is not a "legal" article, but nonetheless it substantiates the "power" of the Grant of Rights which has been talked about so much. Indeed, if schools could switch conferences on a whim where their old conference "retains their media rights" but yet the old conference then conveys those revenues directly to the school, then there is no "power" (or purpose) to a Grant of Rights.
While I think it is disingenuous and extreme, I do think Grants of Rights are effective at ensuring stability for the conference, and stability for the conference is generally perceived as "good" and "beneficial" to the member institutions -- that is the school's part of the quid pro quo. EDIT: Further, if the old conference conveyed the revenue to the school in their new conference, what exactly was the old conference's benefit(/quid pro quo)?
As has been discussed here previously, an additional "strength" of the Grant of Rights is that since four of the Power Five have them, those Four are probably going to be reluctant to try to legally challenge another's Grant of Rights.
The worthless piece of paper would most certainly be enforced, esp since your not only dealing with the conference but with T.V. networks as well. Huge amount? thats putting it lightly, the school loses its ownership of T.V. rights, the conference owns them for the life of the contract. This is not like an exit fee, and you bargain your way out.Just like no court would excuse the Big East/AAC clause of 27 month notification?!? Yeah right... GOR are worthless in the sense that no court could ultimately enforce them. Schools would simply need to pay a huge amount of money to get out of GOR.
Power & Purpose. There is definitely a power and purpose to the GOR. The fact that the conference was able to go out to bid (or even renegotiate as was the case with the ACC) with a set stable of inventory allowed them to negotiate a higher price which benefited all parties: ESPN knows exactly what the bought; and the ACC presumably got a better deal by assuring FSU/GT/CU content through 2022 or whatever year. If the GOR was an end-all-be-all please explain why the ACC retained a $50M exit fee?
Additional Strength. I think that is largely a fair point. But, there are two factors that could complicate that calculation. First, if Fox thinks they are in a stronger position than ESPN then they might not be worried about challenging it (e.g. Clemson would leave the ACC but there is no risk of OSU leaving the B1G). Second (which assumes the first), it may make sense for Fox to move inventory within their universe. There may be a case to be made that Fox, on the whole, could make more money with OK/TX in the B1G than in the B12.
Back to the Big12. There are four factors (in my mind) that make those teams the most likely to be poached. First, they have no exit fee. Second, their GOR expires first. Third, its members own their own T3 rights so they can pledge these into the BTN. And fourth, the demographics in that league are terrible so to the extent a University wants to market itself beyond TX/OK/KS/IO/WV they are going to be looking elsewhere.