Please, Greatest Red Sox ever? Ted Williams missed 5-6 seasons in WWII and the Korean War. He would have blown away all homer records and a bunch of other records.On NESN. Excellent show. Must see TV for Sox fans. Greatest Red Sox ever.
HOFer.
Please, Greatest Red Sox ever? Ted Williams missed 5-6 seasons in WWII and the Korean War. He would have blown away all homer records and a bunch of other records.
Maybe.
I'll take Ortiz.
I assume basically 100% of players did them and know Ortiz did.
Same with Olympians and cyclists etc. I am pretty sure almost everyone does or did them.
I don't really care. I vote them into HOF based on what they did on field. Meaning AROD, Bonds, Clemens etc are HOFers to me. And Ortiz too.
Truth is he still is and the numbers are crazy and pointing straight at him. Good for him he got away with it somehow, but he is Jeff Bagel period! But not as good because he only hit. Sorry but I'm better with none of them getting in, too obvious of an advantage over the players of yesteryear and lets not talk about speed and stuff, no comparison.
I'm good with your opinion why not, he's yours. But the game is changed way too much by this stuff and I just don't see how they can be in the same HOF.
The HOF doesn't, and was never intended to, compare players across eras. The best players of each era deserve to be in.
I don't agree that the ultimate arbiter of a players career is a museum. Obviously tons of players had different priorities and maybe playing the game and being good at it takes precedence. These things are measurable by stats, wins and losses and championships. Never saw Ted Williams play, David Ortiz is the greatest clutch hitter I've ever seen. I've got Pedro in front for Best Red Sox player I've ever seen but via longevity Ortiz has a very good case.Nah obvious cheaters don't - none of them. Rog, Barry, ARod and all. Just not baseball.
At this point the HOF thing is about old vs new and baseball's old legacy of stats being burnt to the ground by the steroid era. And that his is exacerbated by new stats/sabermetrics. Because 2 of the biggest 3 stats in baseball (HR in season, All-time HR King) were rendered meaningless by steroids (I think JoeD's hitting streak is one still standing), the only recourse for the crowd that revered traditional stats is to keep anyone with a whiff of steroid suspicion out of the HOF. Until they come for their money I think its a hollow victory. But since it is somewhat satisfying in the case of the extreme headline cheaters that broke the hallowed records in Barry Bonds, Sosa & McGuire it applies for all.The National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum is an American history museum and hall of fame, located at 25 Main Street in Cooperstown, New York, and operated by private interests. It serves as the central point for the study of the history of baseball in the United States and beyond, displays baseball-related artifacts and exhibits, and honors those who have excelled in playing, managing, and serving the sport.
Anyone who does not think steroid users and Pete Rose belong in the hall of fame have zero idea what the hall of fame is. They are part of the history and story of the game. No "study" of the game or historical view of the game would be complete without them.
Yep...two different things.Please, Greatest Red Sox ever? Ted Williams missed 5-6 seasons in WWII and the Korean War. He would have blown away all homer records and a bunch of other records.
I figured the Ortiz PED stuff would be toned down a bit once Gary Sanchez starting playing at the greatest clip ever.....but he's clean, no doubt apparently, right?
Here's an idea. Just shut the entire HOF down. I've been to Cooperstown, it's nice. But who gives a duck anymore. Maybe I'm just too into team success and not individual success. I love everything Ortiz has done for the Sox but I don't give a rats ass if he never ends up in the HOF. Sort of like when I was a kid I used to care about whether or not my team had a cy young or MVP. I mean it's good argument stuff but I honestly I could care less anymore.I assume basically 100% of players did them and know Ortiz did.
Same with Olympians and cyclists etc. I am pretty sure almost everyone does or did them.
I don't really care. I vote them into HOF based on what they did on field. Meaning AROD, Bonds, Clemens etc are HOFers to me. And Ortiz too.
I figured the Ortiz PED stuff would be toned down a bit once Gary Sanchez starting playing at the greatest clip ever.....but he's clean, no doubt apparently, right?
I never said you said Sanchez uses - But you don't have to be 40 to be hitting like you're using PED's.....you can get called up from the minors and hit 19 HR's in 43 games....
Believe me, you're not ruining my day. I'm loving baseball right now.
I know you aren't a kid but are you old enough to have seen Ted Williams? There is really no way to explain what an incredible hitter he was....best in history on any team and he never had near the protection as Ortiz. It was an event if he struck out. Defensive shift was invented for Williams.On NESN. Excellent show. Must see TV for Sox fans. Greatest Red Sox ever.
HOFer.
Derek Jeter did them?I assume basically 100% of players did them and know Ortiz did.
Same with Olympians and cyclists etc. I am pretty sure almost everyone does or did them.
I don't really care. I vote them into HOF based on what they did on field. Meaning AROD, Bonds, Clemens etc are HOFers to me. And Ortiz too.
I assume basically 100% of players did them and know Ortiz did.
Same with Olympians and cyclists etc. I am pretty sure almost everyone does or did them.
I don't really care. I vote them into HOF based on what they did on field. Meaning AROD, Bonds, Clemens etc are HOFers to me. And Ortiz too.