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Is it possible that all of these players who played for Jim Calhoun saw things that were equal or even worse than what KO did? And there were no consequences. Not defending KO here but the players witnessed a lot that we are not aware of through the years my guess.
 
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It's not okay for anyone to make comments about any of our former legendary players but it's okay for people to allude to our legendary coach as a cheater. Got it.
 
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I believe there are at least three points on which most agree:

1. If he wasn't losing, he wouldn't have been fired.

2. He was losing--badly--and he deserved to be fired.

3. NCAA violations were committed under his watch, for which he was responsible, and for which the university had the right to fire him.

The "we really mean it this time" contract provision re NCAA violations sounds great in theory, but on paper the language reads the same as it did when, well, we might not have meant it--or enforced it--as much. Was this reinforced orally to Ollie? That's what UConn says. I don't know what Ollie says about that.

The reason some posters are alluding to history with former players is because context matters. We don't know what they know re prior conduct. But they do.
I’ll refer you to my post about the NCAA treating UConn differently at the end of Calhoun’s tenure and the beginning of Ollie’s.
The landscape is/was different for UConn after the post-season ban. Also, Ollie inherited a program on probation, and within 5 years had that program in danger of being back on probation.

I’m not naive about what may have occurred at UConn. But most of those arguing UConn is in the wrong are ignoring the fact that the NCAA literally went out of its way to
ban us form the postseason. While jumping through hoops to protect other programs who have done worse.

So yes. Context matters.

edit... and i don’t think I’ve seen one person who argues that Ollie should get paid admit that had he not cheated and lied about it, he would have been paid.

like I said earlier. The argument is about money. you can argue UConn would have fired him without the violations. Who cares? They would have had to pay him, and there wouldn’t be an argument. The only argument is whether he deserves the full amount or not. Because we don’t know what settlement offers were made and rejected, and by which side.
 
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Some of the former players not wanting to be involved with the school now is interesting to say the least. We’ve had several discussions on how little our famous former players have donated to the school. When the school was raising money to have the best facilities possible to compete with other programs, most of our players were nowhere to be found. I think the Ollie scandal is just a lame excuse for some of the non contributing players to keep their distance.
 
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Is it possible that all of these players who played for Jim Calhoun saw things that were equal or even worse than what KO did? And there were no consequences. Not defending KO here but the players witnessed a lot that we are not aware of through the years my guess.
Possible ? Yes. Problem is, until someone SAYS that, then it's nonsensical supposition and nothing more.
 
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You can keep asserting this, but nobody has actually SAID it, so your assumption is pure BS
 

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You can keep asserting this, but nobody has actually SAID it, so your assumption is pure BS

Deadrody knows how the former UConn players should feel better than the former UConn players. Got it.
 
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Even if this was true - things can and do change - guys have to come to grips with that.
 
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Is Caron even relevant to today's recruits? If it was Kemba saying this, then it might matter. Outside of UConn fans, does anyone even care what Caron Butler says?
 
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Is Caron even relevant to today's recruits? If it was Kemba saying this, then it might matter. Outside of UConn fans, does anyone even care what Caron Butler says?
No, he played for the school before they were born.
 
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Is Caron even relevant to today's recruits? If it was Kemba saying this, then it might matter. Outside of UConn fans, does anyone even care what Caron Butler says?
Really - that must be why Hurley invited him to come talk to the team. Hurley must love having irrelevant people talk to his players.
 
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This whole thing needs to be cut out and go in the rear view mirror today. How do they not get this even if they think they are right?
 

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I think they do owe him - had he been winning they would have stood by him like they did with Calhoun - he was fired because he lost so yeah they owe him.

As noted above I’m not convinced that that’s correct. What Kevin did was so significant that UConn would’ve been subject to very significant sanctions if they didn’t take action against him. Regardless though, the test isn’t what you or I imagine the reason was for the firing. The test is whether or not he committed violations which terminated his contract. He did.
 
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2013-2016 Ollie was a great coach that could have kept UConn afloat until it got back to the Big East where he would have thrived. 2018 Ollie was mailing it in and deserved to be canned.

The cracks were showing before 2017.
 
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Jim Calhoun is a diety at UCONN, that said, the condition he left the program in was less than ideal to say the least. The conference move, KO's divorce, broken rules, all contributed to the situation, but dropping the entire blame on KO is unfair, bad coach that he ended as.
 
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The cracks were showing before 2017.

As soon as I saw KO trying to fit Sterling Gibbs in the PG spot, I knew the tide had turned. Nothing ever felt "right" after that.
 

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Drug dealer at 15. In juvenile detention at 15. Turned his life around but they don’t put you in juice as a rewsrd
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