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I saw this article posted on ESPN in the Big East Blog. Quite ironic. I suppose it could put to rest all the talk about Marianatto putting the Big East in the tough spot it is in, but of course it won't.
 
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=920920&f=27&p=3

Mike T's being a bit dishonest when he claims that he knew football was big when Penn St was denied entrance to the BE

"I understood how big football was. I didn't understand how big it was going to become"

If that was the case, Depaul would never be in the BE.


They were reaching for media markets and to appease BB side, he can't take a school, the members vote to invite them in. Don't forget when DePaul was grabbed the cards were already drawn. BB kept Penn St out, BB voted Depaul in.
 
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Taking into consideration how things turned out, glad we have no association with Penn State!
 
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Taking into consideration how things turned out, glad we have no association with Penn State!

Yeah, cause the B1G brand has really taken a hit. Is the monster who sat on the bench in upstate NY now the ACC's problem?

The only thing this article does is reinforce my belief that we need to be in all sports league. The athletic mission statements of UConn and St. John's couldn't be more different.

For those that have tried to vindicate Marinatto here.....correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't he been with the league for a long time and is considered a protege of Tranghese?
 
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Dave had DePaul pretty good at the time they came over, they were not pathetic at all. He left, and it all went in the crapper, for both parties actually.
 
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=920920&f=27&p=3

Mike T's being a bit dishonest when he claims that he knew football was big when Penn St was denied entrance to the BE

"I understood how big football was. I didn't understand how big it was going to become"

If that was the case, Depaul would never be in the BE.

Too bad this guy didn't bother to listen to Lew Perkins. Perkins was touting this years ago when he was saying UConn had to move up in football to D1. Not for football's sake alone but for basketball as well. Problem with BE is it has been run out of Providence and what do they know about football?
 
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do we really need to read another article about how the Big East dropped the ball? most of this stuff should go without saying by this point
 
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Yeah, cause the B1G brand has really taken a hit. Is the monster who sat on the bench in upstate NY now the ACC's problem?

The only thing this article does is reinforce my belief that we need to be in all sports league. The athletic mission statements of UConn and St. John's couldn't be more different.

For those that have tried to vindicate Marinatto here.....correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't he been with the league for a long time and is considered a protege of Tranghese?
I couldn't agree with you more on this point and to me, when you cut through all the other stuff, this is the fundamental issue that underlies all the Big East's other problems.
 
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I couldn't agree with you more on this point and to me, when you cut through all the other stuff, this is the fundamental issue that underlies all the Big East's other problems.

Correct. When you make decisions intended to satisfy some and appease others, you get things like Memphis being added to the league.
 
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The problem is the league never evolved from a Providence centric business. They just keep promoting the next Providence guy from the next office down. It is the kind of small-minded provincialism that was doomed to failure.

They should have moved the HQ to New York City two decades ago. Then they should have hired the best people in college sports to run the conference. But the Big East never matured. They remained in the Providence backwater and they are still there.​
 
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The problem is the league never evolved from a Providence centric business. They just keep promoting the next Providence guy from the next office down. It is the kind of small-minded provincialism that was doomed to failure.​
They should have moved the HQ to New York City two decades ago. Then they should have hired the best people in college sports to run the conference. But the Big East never matured. They remained in the Providence backwater and they are still there.​
I agree with this but I think this is related to the mission issue...the programs with smaller asperations were comfortable being based in Providence and as we know from the last time the big East looked for office space, it was cheap.
 
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The problem is the league never evolved from a Providence centric business. They just keep promoting the next Providence guy from the next office down. It is the kind of small-minded provincialism that was doomed to failure.​
They should have moved the HQ to New York City two decades ago. Then they should have hired the best people in college sports to run the conference. But the Big East never matured. They remained in the Providence backwater and they are still there.​

you hit the nail on the head with this one. the Big East certainly wasn't the first and it won't be the last business doomed to failure due to inbred nepotism
 
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I agree with this but I think this is related to the mission issue...the programs with smaller asperations were comfortable being based in Providence and as we know from the last time the big East looked for office space, it was cheap.
it's not jsut a mission issue, it's a judgement issue. if we added Memphis and Temple back in 2003 instead of DePaul and Marquette we'd probably still have Cuse, WVU and Pitt. are you telling me that St Johns wouldn't have been better off? instead they wanted to keep the sides even and watered down the product for everybody
 

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Would all of the BE's football troubles have been solved by simply by accepting Penn State? Who knows.

Does Miami ever get invited? Does the focus on football break-up the BE in 200x?

Does UConn get the same offer to upgrade to D1 from the BE football powers? Does the Big10 never come calling for Penn State because they are in the BE?

I know we need to blame someone, but adding Penn State would not have stopped the football world from spinning.
 

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Taking into consideration how things turned out, glad we have no association with Penn State!


I agree to a point but if Penn St comes to the Big East, then maybe Miami, and Va Tech stay put. Even with the issues at PSU now they would have solidified the conference.
 
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I agree to a point but if Penn St comes to the Big East, then maybe Miami, and Va Tech stay put. Even with the issues at PSU now they would have solidified the conference.
The B1G would have still been taken Penn State. Then it would all the others taking the same road as they have taken. It really is very difficult to think how we could have beaten the SEC or the B1G in planning. The Big East seems to come off as a developmental conference for the older conferences. The northeast was the last college football market to develop a top-tier conference other than the Ivy League schools thanks to their dominance.
 
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The Yankee Conference consisting of northeast public/state land grant universities, and the Ivy League consisting of those prestigious private universities in the northeast were the two major all sports, including football northeast athletic conferences that co-existed a century ago and through the end of the 1970s and early 1980s.

With the creation of divisions of football, the changes in football scholarships, starting with the Ivies discontinuing scholarships by the late 1950s and the reductions in scholarships based on competition level by the 1970s, implementation of title 9 into athletic departments.... etc. etc. that I"ve written about ad nauseum. The Yankee Conference disbanded, and the Ivy - became the current Ivy league.

Interspersed were the traditional indepedant athletic departments. Syracuse, Boston College, Penn State - built up by Joe Paterno........

Paterno wanted the all sports league at the highest level of competition in the Northeast. It was his goal. Dave Gavitt's basketball league, that rose out of the destruction of the Yankee Conference, and the separation of the Ivy league from the scholarship athletic world, got in the way.

The vote was 5-3. Based on Mike Tranghese's recent talks with NY Times. It would seem that after all these years, he's come out and said that Villanova, St. John's and Georgetown stopped Penn State.

Where would we be? UConn? Had Penn State been admitted with a Notre Dame type membership in everything but football in 1982? Paterno didn't want that kind of deal that Notre Dame got in 1994. But the TV world hadn't been opened up by the supreme court yet until 1984.........Who knows. Hindsight is always 20/20. All that is certain, is that point in time, was a major crossroads, and there have been many, many more since then, where the Big East conference could have gone in a completely different direction than it did up until 2010, when Marinatto began the football directed moves by bringing in TCU.

I don't know if it will be in any of our lifetimes, I hope so, but I do think that Joe Paterno's dream and goal, of a major northeast based athletic conference competing at the highest levels of football, is still possible.

The programs that would create that kind of conference, that could, dominate the national landscape are interspersed now, among the Big East, Atlantic Coast Conference, Big 10, and now withe WVU out - the Big 12.

In the meantime, all we do, is continue to recruit, recruit, recruit, and go out and win games against whomever it is that we happen to be scheduling.
 
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The Yankee Conference consisting of northeast public/state land grant universities, and the Ivy League consisting of those prestigious private universities in the northeast were the two major all sports, including football northeast athletic conferences that co-existed a century ago and through the end of the 1970s and early 1980s.

With the creation of divisions of football, the changes in football scholarships, starting with the Ivies discontinuing scholarships by the late 1950s and the reductions in scholarships based on competition level by the 1970s, implementation of title 9 into athletic departments.... etc. etc. that I"ve written about ad nauseum. The Yankee Conference disbanded, and the Ivy - became the current Ivy league.

Interspersed were the traditional indepedant athletic departments. Syracuse, Boston College, Penn State - built up by Joe Paterno........

Paterno wanted the all sports league at the highest level of competition in the Northeast. It was his goal. Dave Gavitt's basketball league, that rose out of the destruction of the Yankee Conference, and the separation of the Ivy league from the scholarship athletic world, got in the way.

The vote was 5-3. Based on Mike Tranghese's recent talks with NY Times. It would seem that after all these years, he's come out and said that Villanova, St. John's and Georgetown stopped Penn State.

Where would we be? UConn? Had Penn State been admitted with a Notre Dame type membership in everything but football in 1982? Paterno didn't want that kind of deal that Notre Dame got in 1994. But the TV world hadn't been opened up by the supreme court yet until 1984.........Who knows. Hindsight is always 20/20. All that is certain, is that point in time, was a major crossroads, and there have been many, many more since then, where the Big East conference could have gone in a completely different direction than it did up until 2010, when Marinatto began the football directed moves by bringing in TCU.

I don't know if it will be in any of our lifetimes, I hope so, but I do think that Joe Paterno's dream and goal, of a major northeast based athletic conference competing at the highest levels of football, is still possible.

The programs that would create that kind of conference, that could, dominate the national landscape are interspersed now, among the Big East, Atlantic Coast Conference, Big 10, and now withe WVU out - the Big 12.

In the meantime, all we do, is continue to recruit, recruit, recruit, and go out and win games against whomever it is that we happen to be scheduling.


And this is the crux of the problem. What blue chip high school player is gone pass on playing at a secure BCS Big time program to come to UConn for an uncertain future in an unstable conference that makes no geographic sense. What kid is gonna want to play a teeny, tiny, no frills stadium against Kent States, Buffalos, Western Michigan's and Temple's of the world?
UConn was headed in the right direction when they were playing North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, etc. Now it looks like things are going backwards. Will the talent be there when Tennessee and Michigan come a calling? I don't know????
 
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And this is the crux of the problem. What blue chip high school player is gone pass on playing at a secure BCS Big time program to come to UConn for an uncertain future in an unstable conference that makes no geographic sense. What kid is gonna want to play a teeny, tiny, no frills stadium against Kent States, Buffalos, Western Michigan's and Temple's of the world?
UConn was headed in the right direction when they were playing North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, etc. Now it looks like things are going backwards. Will the talent be there when Tennessee and Michigan come a calling? I don't know????


What is a secure BCS program? What's secure about the BCS? The BCS has changed dramatically every four years since it's first incarnation as the Bowl Alliance in 1992. Its going to change again, soon. Conference commissioners and BCS fat cats are openly talking about playoffs among conference champions only to determine a national champ.........Holy crap......imagine that. 130+ years is all it's taken.

Conferences don't recruit players. Teeny tiny no frills stadium? - you must have missed what the Heisman Trophy winner had to say about Rentschler field. Just in case anyone else missed it - he said that Rentschler was right next Texas, A&M and Oklahoma for his favorite places to play, and it was the loudest place he's every played. That's not a typo.

Headed in the right direction when we were playing North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame? We're not heading in teh right direction now with our out of conference scheduling in the future? Michigan, Maryland, Tennesee, Virginia, NC State........ What the hell is the matter with you?

We've got a tall task in front of us, because 2 of 3 programs that we played annually in conference, that are leaving/ have left the big east, are programs that we've been beating regularly.

I look forward to our guys going out smashing some people, I don't care what the names and colors of the other jerseys are.

Let the fair weather fans be concerned about the opponents. Die hards, true blue UConn fans, go to see UConn play.

To quote another poster...........Thanks for your interest in UConn football - have a nice day.
 

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The problem is the league never evolved from a Providence centric business. They just keep promoting the next Providence guy from the next office down. It is the kind of small-minded provincialism that was doomed to failure.

They should have moved the HQ to New York City two decades ago. Then they should have hired the best people in college sports to run the conference. But the Big East never matured. They remained in the Providence backwater and they are still there.​

Probably your best post ever. It's why I tried telling the PC fans on the mbb board, very simply: they don't get it. They never have and they never will. IBEW still the primary sponsor at PC games. They have a fetish for the past. They do not understand how modern college athletics works. Not in the slightest.
 
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it's not jsut a mission issue, it's a judgement issue. if we added Memphis and Temple back in 2003 instead of DePaul and Marquette we'd probably still have Cuse, WVU and Pitt. are you telling me that St Johns wouldn't have been better off? instead they wanted to keep the sides even and watered down the product for everybody

If you really believe that having Memphis and Temple in this conference would have made a whit of difference to Syracuse and Pitt, I don't know what to say. Memphis and Temple. Yes, we hate that we're now stuck with them, but Syracuse and Pitt would have been so happy ....
 
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