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Bazz, Omar and Giff Were In Perfect Defensive Position On The Tying 3

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From evaluating the tape a little (I start this thread only to point out that our guys weren't just running around like chickens who haven't been coached).

Bazz was two steps away from his man on the weak side, just outside the paint, where he could see both the ball and his man. No way that skip pass gets to his man (or if it does, he'll be right on him on the catch), and he can cover his guy if he flashes to the top of the key or fades to the corner. He was where he needed to be.

Omar was overplaying the pass into the near corner to take away the three, with his eye on the ball. By the book.

Giffey wasn't really defending a man, but was taking away the pass to the top of the key where two guys were. He wasn't worried about anyone cutting inside him into two-point territory. He had it right.

Now that leaves Boat and Wolf (wasn't there a brain teaser about a boat, a wolf, a goat, and a cabbage? - never mind, I digress). With the advantage of hindsight and video, Boat should have met the ball two steps further out, and Wolf should have been in behind him on the three-point line offering help (Wolf would have instructions not to leave his feet - lest he fall for an upfake and foul). Instead, Boat stood in a defensive posture one step outside the three-point line, forcing Cadougan to shoot from very deep, and he leapt out to challenge the shot well -- he was just a half-step too far away to really bother it. And frankly where Boat was standing, there wasn't much Wolf could have done other than get in the way, even if he did come out to help. If Boat comes out, then Cadougan is forced into doing something on the move instead of lining up the shot - and then Boat has to stay on his hip and Wolf has to be there to challenge (both without fouling).

This was if we wanted to play straight up -- if we wanted to foul there, I would have had Giffey run at him with a hard trap near midcourt, and then force him to break that trap before fouling. It's possible that you can just force him into a turnover or a 40-foot prayer while falling out of bounds and you never even have to use that foul. But as soon as he starts to escape the trap (to the outside or splitting it), you have to foul, or else someone will be open. And if the trap never comes due to hesitation from Giffey, then Boat has to foul. Of course, there is also a risk that he throws a 50-foot skip pass to a guy for an open three, in which case you'd regret not fouling instead of trapping, but if you can stop them from even getting a legitimate shot off, that's better than fouling.

The one other thing from watching the tape with the Marquette feed is that the MU announcers thought Boat hit a 3 at first. Obviously Boat knew it was a 2, otherwise he would have just let them shoot the 3, but it is possible that - if indeed Ollie wanted us to foul - that there was enough doubt in those first few seconds after the shot that guys (primarily Giffey) weren't sure if we were up 3 or 4. Which means calling the timeout there would have been the best thing, with hindsight.
 

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So only EW was out of position and RB might have started to guard earlier. KO wanted the foul and the team missed it. All in all not a major deficiency in coaching or playing. A few of us are born prodigies. The rest of us go through life learning. Sometimes we can shortcut things by other peoples experiences. But the best learning comes from our personal experiences both positive and negative. I like this group of players. The significant majority seem to be figuring things out as the season is progressing.
 
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I disagree, quite frankly, Boatshow should have picked him up at halfcourt or before, Boatshow came late and got his arm up. He had a good look for a couple seconds and was eyeing the shot. If we overplayed his strong dribble hand it would have made his shot much tougher.
 

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I disagree, quite frankly, Boatshow should have picked him up at halfcourt or before, Boatshow came late and got his arm up. He had a good look for a couple seconds and was eyeing the shot. If we overplayed his strong dribble hand it would have made his shot much tougher.
He addresses the same point about RB in earlier threads. In this thread he was focusing on where players were on the court at the time of the shot.
 
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I disagree, quite frankly, Boatshow should have picked him up at halfcourt or before, Boatshow came late and got his arm up. He had a good look for a couple seconds and was eyeing the shot. If we overplayed his strong dribble hand it would have made his shot much tougher.

Picking up at midcourt works too. What that can do is potentially kill a little more time if you play really good D and force a change of direction so their guy can't just run in a straight line full speed. The risk is a blow-by then causing your defense to have to react (ie Omar coming to help and leaving his man in the corner).

Just taking two steps further out prevents him from being able to line that shot up - or pushes him out past 30 feet to do it. But 3-4 steps might be a little better to be sure, especially since Boat's steps are short. Call it two Wolf steps (or two Hilton steps, if you'd rather).

Boat waiting for him right outside the line had two negatives - it let him line it up (albeit from deep) and it left Wolf with no way to offer help D, even if he wanted to come out of the paint.
 

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I would have enjoyed some full court press after the go-ahead shot.
 
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Wrong, Bazz was inside the arc. Not the place to be.

Giffey went for the steal then didn't race back to the arc.

Boat didn't get get in his guys shorts, he expected a miss.

Then there's Wolf.

It was a poorly played possession
 
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Wrong, Bazz was inside the arc. Not the place to be.

Giffey went for the steal then didn't race back to the arc.

Boat didn't get get in his guys shorts, he expected a miss.

Then there's Wolf.

It was a poorly played possession

No - Bazz was exactly where he had to be. Two steps off his man on the weak side inside the arc. Going out to the 3 to get in a guy's shirt 50 feet away from the ball accomplishes nothing - other than taking yourself out of the play if you have to give help at the top of the key.

Giffey was right outside the arc in the passing lane to take away the pass to the top of the key, whoever tried to flash there. You can argue he should have done something else around midcourt, but once Cadougan got into decision making time, Giffey had the next pass to the top of the key covered.
 
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No - Bazz was exactly where he had to be. Two steps off his man on the weak side inside the arc. Going out to the 3 to get in a guy's shirt 50 feet away from the ball accomplishes nothing - other than taking yourself out of the play if you have to give help at the top of the key.

Giffey was right outside the arc in the passing lane to take away the pass to the top of the key, whoever tried to flash there. You can argue he should have done something else around midcourt, but once Cadougan got into decision making time, Giffey had the next pass to the top of the key covered.


I'm with Palentine on this. Giffey may have been moving toward the arc, but he wasn't there and a pass could have been made before Giffey got there. But, more importantly, he started out in no-mans land and IMO should have been on Cadougan as he was their most explosive and quickest player. Allowing Cadougan to bring the ball up without anybody covering him and slowing him down was the mistake. So I'm arguing that once Cadougan got into decision making time, it was too late.
 
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