ACC votes to add Stanford, Cal, SMU: Conference presidents approve expansion to 18 schools

[JeepCSC]

What's odd is that the ACC built its reputation on basketball and they have given it away. The new Big 12 is a better basketball conference. Does anybody think that Cal and Stanford are going to be able to field top basketball teams when they are going to play most of their conference road games thousands of miles away? What top recruit would go to either school? Football is different as there will only be 3 long distance trips. The ACC is going to lose FSU and Clemson in the long run so football is going to be watered down, so what is their LT strategy?

The ACC didn’t give it away, the relative programs just declined. Syracuse, NC State, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame, Wake Forest. Even the two flagships have seen their HOF coaches retire.

 

[KryHavok]

The ACC didn’t give it away, the relative programs just declined. Syracuse, NC State, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame, Wake Forest. Even the two flagships have seen their HOF coaches retire.

And that's part of the rub. The ACC thought UConn couldn't sustain is success without Calhoun, yet in their hubris they failed to look in the mirror to realize that's what could occur with them.

 

[John]

And that's part of the rub. The ACC thought UConn couldn't sustain is success without Calhoun, yet in their hubris they failed to look in the mirror to realize that's what could occur with them.

it's all about coaching, which is why I'm positive we'd be fine in the ACC or Big12.

 

[UConnJim]

The ACC didn’t give it away, the relative programs just declined. Syracuse, NC State, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame, Wake Forest. Even the two flagships have seen their HOF coaches retire.

I don't agree. Adding Stanford/Cal/SMU diluted basketball and probably football as well. As for the schools you mentioned, NC State has not been to an Elite 8 since 1986. Pitt was in a decline when they joined the ACC and the Big East made Pitt as they used to be strong recruiters in the NYC area. Wake Forest has one Sweet 16 in 25 years. Notre Dame has performed about in line with recent history. Louisville has struggled since Pitino left and need a new head coach, then they will be back. Syracuse lost their program builder and replaced him with a former player. We've since this before.

And, Miami and Virginia have performed above expectations to offset the decline of Syracuse and Louisville.

 

[John]

I don't agree. Adding Stanford/Cal/SMU diluted basketball and probably football as well. As for the schools you mentioned, NC State has not been to an Elite 8 since 1986. Pitt was in a decline when they joined the ACC and the Big East made Pitt as they used to be strong recruiters in the NYC area. Wake Forest has one Sweet 16 in 25 years. Notre Dame has performed about in line with recent history. Louisville has struggled since Pitino left and need a new head coach, then they will be back. Syracuse lost their program builder and replaced him with a former player. We've since this before.

And, Miami and Virginia have performed above expectations to offset the decline of Syracuse and Louisville.

Pitt's problem is that they replaced Jamie Dixon with Kevin Stallings.

 

[JeepCSC]

I don't agree. Adding Stanford/Cal/SMU diluted basketball and probably football as well. As for the schools you mentioned, NC State has not been to an Elite 8 since 1986. Pitt was in a decline when they joined the ACC and the Big East made Pitt as they used to be strong recruiters in the NYC area. Wake Forest has one Sweet 16 in 25 years. Notre Dame has performed about in line with recent history. Louisville has struggled since Pitino left and need a new head coach, then they will be back. Syracuse lost their program builder and replaced him with a former player. We've since this before.

And, Miami and Virginia have performed above expectations to offset the decline of Syracuse and Louisville.

From 2010-2019, current ACC basketball teams won 5 NCAA titles, played in 6 title games, went to 9 FFs, 20 E8s, and 36 S16s. So an average year that decade saw those teams get 3-4 S16 teams, 2 E8 teams, and a coin flip if they won the national title. People don’t care about the bottom if the top was still producing at that clip. They aren’t, and therefore the reputation is what it is. No one builds conference strength from the bottom.

 

[UConnJim]

Pitt's problem is that they replaced Jamie Dixon with Kevin Stallings.

Maybe, but I think Pitt basketball really didn't fit in the ACC. Look at their roster during the glory days of the Big East and you will see the roster with lots of athletes from NY, NJ, PA. That changed when Pitt went to the ACC.

 

[storrsroars]

Pitt's problem is that they replaced Jamie Dixon with Kevin Stallings.

Stallings was an awful old-boy network hire. Capel has the talent this year to be a top-4 team in the ACC, but he sucks as a coach. Given their schedule, Danny might have them undefeated right now. Even Neptune could likely do a better job.

 

[Rufus]

CFP: SMU revenue less than full Power 5 share

The College Football Playoff management committee unanimously agreed upon an undisclosed amount of money for incoming ACC member SMU that will go to the conference, but it's still less than the revenue the CFP typically distributes to Power 5 schools.

www.espn.com

 

[CL82]

CFP: SMU revenue less than full Power 5 share

The College Football Playoff management committee unanimously agreed upon an undisclosed amount of money for incoming ACC member SMU that will go to the conference, but it's still less than the revenue the CFP typically distributes to Power 5 schools.

www.espn.com

 

[Vowelguy]

This is the gem of that article:

With the Pac-12 down to Washington State and Oregon State, the CFP's model for how teams qualify for the new 12-team playoff this fall remains on hold. Except for the Pac-12, there is unanimous support for a 5+7 model that rewards the five highest-ranked conference champions plus the next seven-highest ranked teams. Hancock said that decision is with the board, where Washington State president Kirk Schulz represents the league with a vote on an issue that needs unanimity for approval.​

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Now THAT is a bargaining chip.

 

[HuskyHawk]

This is the gem of that article:

With the Pac-12 down to Washington State and Oregon State, the CFP's model for how teams qualify for the new 12-team playoff this fall remains on hold. Except for the Pac-12, there is unanimous support for a 5+7 model that rewards the five highest-ranked conference champions plus the next seven-highest ranked teams. Hancock said that decision is with the board, where Washington State president Kirk Schulz represents the league with a vote on an issue that needs unanimity for approval.​

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Now THAT is a bargaining chip.

As I understand it, this is why nothing has happened. The Pac 12 name and situation is very valuable. WSU and OSU even get the NCAA credits. So the only smart move is to bring teams in from the MWC, but those teams have to pay a big exit fee unless they all move. Yet, the Pac 12 wouldn't want all of them. So it's all frozen until they figure out how to solve that.

 

[Rufus]

This is the gem of that article:

With the Pac-12 down to Washington State and Oregon State, the CFP's model for how teams qualify for the new 12-team playoff this fall remains on hold. Except for the Pac-12, there is unanimous support for a 5+7 model that rewards the five highest-ranked conference champions plus the next seven-highest ranked teams. Hancock said that decision is with the board, where Washington State president Kirk Schulz represents the league with a vote on an issue that needs unanimity for approval.​

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Now THAT is a bargaining chip.

I think it's a bargaining chip to a point. WSU can overplay its hand. The unanimous vote only has to happen for what happens over the next 2 years because they are the final years of the original 12 year contract. After that, a simple majority is all that is needed and pissing off the top dogs could see WSU (and OSU) get the big screw on how revenue is distributed in 2026.

 

[Kolumbo]

As I understand it, this is why nothing has happened. The Pac 12 name and situation is very valuable. WSU and OSU even get the NCAA credits. So the only smart move is to bring teams in from the MWC, but those teams have to pay a big exit fee unless they all move. Yet, the Pac 12 wouldn't want all of them. So it's all frozen until they figure out how to solve that.

I don't know all the ins and outs and really don't care to but it seems the PAC-2 should just bring in the entire MWC and be done with it. If they want to have their cake, they'll have to eat a couple programs they may not want. I don't know if the MWC can dissolve with a majority vote so they can leave a couple of programs behind or if it requires 100%. But the PAC-2 plus MWC would be 14. It would probably be the 5th best football conference and could look to poach programs if it wants to.

 

[XStorrsion]

Those 14 could easily poach any western G5 school they may want.. UTEP, New Mexico St, etc.

Or could call up teams like Montana, Montana St, Northern Arizona, Utah Tech, or Southern Utah.

The combined conference essentially controls all of the G5 in the Pacific and Mountain time zones

 

[Drew]

Those 14 could easily poach any western G5 school they may want.. UTEP, New Mexico St, etc.

Or could call up teams like Montana, Montana St, Northern Arizona, Utah Tech, or Southern Utah.

The combined conference essentially controls all of the G5 in the Pacific and Mountain time zones

If we’ve learned anything from the Big East/American/Big 12 realignment situations the last 10 years it’s that the “brand name” of the conference matters greatly, especially to the average college sports fan

Wazzu and Oregon State are much better off calling up the Dakotas, Montana, Montana State and plucking Fresno/Wyoming/Idaho etc than they are merging (or even reverse merging) with the MWC. Keep the football title game and Conference Tournament in Vegas, revamp the conference network or sell it (CW? Raycom? Amazon or Apple?) and build from there

 

[Kolumbo]

Since it's going coast to coast, let's see what we can do about the conference basketball tournaments. Hows about:

North Carolina!

ACC sets future basketball tournaments, championships for NC amid coast-to-coast expansion

The Atlantic Coast Conference will hold five straight men’s basketball tournaments in North Carolina starting in 2025.

apnews.com

 

[Zissou]

I don't know all the ins and outs and really don't care to but it seems the PAC-2 should just bring in the entire MWC and be done with it. If they want to have their cake, they'll have to eat a couple programs they may not want. I don't know if the MWC can dissolve with a majority vote so they can leave a couple of programs behind or if it requires 100%. But the PAC-2 plus MWC would be 14. It would probably be the 5th best football conference and could look to poach programs if it wants to.

C’mon guys. It’s so simple. Maybe you need a refresher course. It’s all ball bearings these days.

They just have to wait out the MW conference a little to avoid the poached teams paying exit fees. Poached AAC teams have less strings attached.

For 2025:
8 full member teams only, minimum conf requirement.

Oregon State
Washington State
Rice
Tulane
USF
Temple
UMass
Delaware

Affiliate Football:

Army (Patriot)
Navy (Patriot)
UConn (Big East)
Nova (Big East)

Then, Aug 2, 2027 the MWC invites go out to San Diego State, Fresno State, Boise State, and Colorado State. USF, Temple, UMass, and UD go to the A10 but stay as affiliate FB:

Western Division: 8 full members

Oregon State
Washington State
San Diego State
Fresno State
Boise State
Colorado State
Rice
Tulane

Eastern Division, 8 FB affiliates.

Army - Patriot (FB only)
Navy - Patriot (FB only)
UConn - Big East (FB only)
Nova - Big East (FB only)
Temple - A10 (FB only)
UMass - A10 (FB only)
Delaware - A10 (FB only)
USF - A10 (FB only)


The PAC has a 2024 plan with a MWC contract.

For 2025-2026, the PAC has 8 full members plus 4 affiliate members. It meets NCAA requirements and stays alive without stepping on its MWC commitment.

For 2027 forward, 8 full members + 8 east coast affiliate members. Texas/NOLA stays west. Florida stays east.

The AAC can be poached without any financial hurdles.

The east coast affiliates are the Mass-NY-Phila-DC mega market plus Florida.

With east coast affiliates the PAC can safely stay at 8 full members without unnecessary west coast dilution. Zags and St Mary’s are invited as members, non-football, for a 10 team basketball schedule.

 

[WrenchFan69]

C’mon guys. It’s so simple. Maybe you need a refresher course. It’s all ball bearings these days.

They just have to wait out the MW conference a little to avoid the poached teams paying exit fees. Poached AAC teams have less strings attached.

For 2025:
8 full member teams only, minimum conf requirement.

Oregon State
Washington State
Rice
Tulane
USF
Temple
UMass
Delaware

Affiliate Football:

Army (Patriot)
Navy (Patriot)
UConn (Big East)
Nova (Big East)

Then, Aug 2, 2027 the MWC invites go out to San Diego State, Fresno State, Boise State, and Colorado State. USF, Temple, UMass, and UD go to the A10 but stay as affiliate FB:

Western Division: 8 full members

Oregon State
Washington State
San Diego State
Fresno State
Boise State
Colorado State
Rice
Tulane

Eastern Division, 8 FB affiliates.

Army - Patriot (FB only)
Navy - Patriot (FB only)
UConn - Big East (FB only)
Nova - Big East (FB only)
Temple - A10 (FB only)
UMass - A10 (FB only)
Delaware - A10 (FB only)
USF - A10 (FB only)


The PAC has a 2024 plan with a MWC contract.

For 2025-2026, the PAC has 8 full members plus 4 affiliate members. It meets NCAA requirements and stays alive without stepping on its MWC commitment.

For 2027 forward, 8 full members + 8 east coast affiliate members. Texas/NOLA stays west. Florida stays east.

The AAC can be poached without any financial hurdles.

The east coast affiliates are the Mass-NY-Phila-DC mega market plus Florida.

With east coast affiliates the PAC can safely stay at 8 full members without unnecessary west coast dilution. Zags and St Mary’s are invited as members, non-football, for a 10 team basketball schedule.

I would be happy with this. Should probably leave out Temple or Rice for UNLV though.

 

[Kolumbo]

C’mon guys. It’s so simple. Maybe you need a refresher course. It’s all ball bearings these days.

They just have to wait out the MW conference a little to avoid the poached teams paying exit fees. Poached AAC teams have less strings attached.

For 2025:
8 full member teams only, minimum conf requirement.

Oregon State
Washington State
Rice
Tulane
USF
Temple
UMass
Delaware

Affiliate Football:

Army (Patriot)
Navy (Patriot)
UConn (Big East)
Nova (Big East)

Then, Aug 2, 2027 the MWC invites go out to San Diego State, Fresno State, Boise State, and Colorado State. USF, Temple, UMass, and UD go to the A10 but stay as affiliate FB:

Western Division: 8 full members

Oregon State
Washington State
San Diego State
Fresno State
Boise State
Colorado State
Rice
Tulane

Eastern Division, 8 FB affiliates.

Army - Patriot (FB only)
Navy - Patriot (FB only)
UConn - Big East (FB only)
Nova - Big East (FB only)
Temple - A10 (FB only)
UMass - A10 (FB only)
Delaware - A10 (FB only)
USF - A10 (FB only)


The PAC has a 2024 plan with a MWC contract.

For 2025-2026, the PAC has 8 full members plus 4 affiliate members. It meets NCAA requirements and stays alive without stepping on its MWC commitment.

For 2027 forward, 8 full members + 8 east coast affiliate members. Texas/NOLA stays west. Florida stays east.

The AAC can be poached without any financial hurdles.

The east coast affiliates are the Mass-NY-Phila-DC mega market plus Florida.

With east coast affiliates the PAC can safely stay at 8 full members without unnecessary west coast dilution. Zags and St Mary’s are invited as members, non-football, for a 10 team basketball schedule.

Of course, very simple. So just prepare the Fetzer valve with some 3-in-1 oil and gauze pads, and Quaker State.

 

[Zissou]

I would be happy with this. Should probably leave out Temple or Rice for UNLV though.

UNLV is MW so poaching them early is a problem with exit fees.

Temple and Rice are ripe AAC pickins.

Temple and Rice allow for meeting the conference membership requirements for 2025.

Please take care with this formula - it is an intricately choreographed solution.

 

[whalerfan]

C’mon guys. It’s so simple. Maybe you need a refresher course. It’s all ball bearings these days.

They just have to wait out the MW conference a little to avoid the poached teams paying exit fees. Poached AAC teams have less strings attached.

For 2025:
8 full member teams only, minimum conf requirement.

Oregon State
Washington State
Rice
Tulane
USF
Temple
UMass
Delaware

Affiliate Football:

Army (Patriot)
Navy (Patriot)
UConn (Big East)
Nova (Big East)

Then, Aug 2, 2027 the MWC invites go out to San Diego State, Fresno State, Boise State, and Colorado State. USF, Temple, UMass, and UD go to the A10 but stay as affiliate FB:

Western Division: 8 full members

Oregon State
Washington State
San Diego State
Fresno State
Boise State
Colorado State
Rice
Tulane

Eastern Division, 8 FB affiliates.

Army - Patriot (FB only)
Navy - Patriot (FB only)
UConn - Big East (FB only)
Nova - Big East (FB only)
Temple - A10 (FB only)
UMass - A10 (FB only)
Delaware - A10 (FB only)
USF - A10 (FB only)


The PAC has a 2024 plan with a MWC contract.

For 2025-2026, the PAC has 8 full members plus 4 affiliate members. It meets NCAA requirements and stays alive without stepping on its MWC commitment.

For 2027 forward, 8 full members + 8 east coast affiliate members. Texas/NOLA stays west. Florida stays east.

The AAC can be poached without any financial hurdles.

The east coast affiliates are the Mass-NY-Phila-DC mega market plus Florida.

With east coast affiliates the PAC can safely stay at 8 full members without unnecessary west coast dilution. Zags and St Mary’s are invited as members, non-football, for a 10 team basketball schedule.

Zissou, I know that cannabis is legal in Connecticut but is it legal where you are? If so how early did you start today?

 

[Vowelguy]

The great thing about the Boneyard is that it's the only place in the galaxy where every conference realignment scenario includes UConn/UMass/Temple as great FB additions.

 

[WrenchFan69]

The great thing about the Boneyard is that it's the only place in the galaxy where every conference realignment scenario includes UConn/UMass/Temple as great FB additions.

UConn and UMass would be great FB additions to mid-major conferences. Temple a step down but also not so bad.

 

[Vowelguy]

UConn and UMass would be great FB additions to mid-major conferences. Temple a step down but also not so bad.

Dude. Neither team has a had winning record since 2010, and has often been in the bottom 10. If that's a great addition, I cant fathom what a bad addition would be.

Yes there's potential, but the notion that UConn is a prized FB addition is delusional.