A Different (Forbes) Look at College Rankings

[RegisteredUconn]

UConn is ranked 164 out of more than 600. UConn would be ranked middle of the P5 pack (ND included in ACC): 32 schools better, 33 worse. Would be ranked 12th in ACC, 10th in Big Ten, 2nd in Big 12, 8th in Pac12, and 5th in SEC. Ranked 3rd in the American.

Based on average Forbes ranking, the Big Ten is the brainiest conference with an average of 126 followed by the ACC/131 (congrats on that Louisville add, it cost you 30 points), Pac12/169, the SEC/226, and the Big 12/283. The American's average rank was 341.

Link: http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/

P5 + American Results

2/ /Stanford/ /Pac12
17/ /Notre Dame/ /ACC
19/ /Northwestern/ /Big Ten
23/ /Duke/ /ACC
36/ /Boston College/ /ACC
37/ /California/ /Pac12
40/ /Virginia/ /ACC
44/ /UCLA/ /Pac12
45/ /Michigan/ /Big Ten
50/ /North Carolina/ /ACC
54/ /Vanderbilt/ /SEC
61/ /Wake Forest/ /ACC
68/ /Illinois/ /Big Ten
70/ /Wisconsin/ /Big Ten
73/ /Washington/ /Pac12
76/ /Texas/ /Big12
78/ /Southern Cal/ /Pac12
82/ /Maryland/ /Big Ten
87/ /Florida/ /SEC
90/ /Georgia Tech/ /ACC
94/ /Georgia/ /SEC
101/ /SMU/ /American
107/ /Indiana/ /Big Ten
108/ /Minnesota/ /Big Ten
117/ /Virginia Tech/ /ACC
118/ /Colorado/ /Pac12
119/ /Purdue/ /Big Ten
120/ /Miami/ /ACC
137/ /Texas A&M/ /SEC
141/ /Utah/ /Pac12
147/ /Tulane/ /American
155/ /Ohio State/ /Big Ten
158/ /Syracuse/ /ACC
163/ /Clemson/ /ACC
164/ /Connecticut/ /American
166/ /Penn State/ /Big Ten
167/ /North Carolina State/ /ACC
169/ /Michigan State/ /Big Ten
177/ /Rutgers/ /Big Ten
186/ /South Carolina/ /SEC
190/ /LSU/ /SEC
192/ /Iowa/ /Big Ten
195/ /Baylor/ /Big12
198/ /Pittsburgh/ /ACC
202/ /Oklahoma/ /Big12
204/ /Auburn/ /SEC
213/ /Tulsa/ /American
216/ /TCU/ /Big12
226/ /Florida State/ /ACC
230/ /Missouri/ /SEC
235/ /Oregon/ /Pac12
250/ /Arizona/ /Pac12
261/ /Iowa State/ /Big12
280/ /Nebraska/ /Big Ten
292/ /Tennessee/ /SEC
296/ /Arkansas/ /SEC
297/ /Kansas/ /Big12
323/ /Oregon State/ /Pac12
335/ /Alabama/ /SEC
336/ /Kentucky/ /SEC
359/ /Mississippi/ /SEC
362/ /Arizona State/ /Pac12
365/ /Mississippi State/ /SEC
367/ /Kansas State/ /Big12
369/ /Oklahoma State/ /Big12
370/ /Washington State/ /Pac12
388/ /Houston/ /American
391/ /Cincinnati/ /American
397/ /Temple/ /American
402/ /Texas Tech/ /Big12
405/ /Central Florida/ /American
433/ /South Florida/ /American
443/ /West Virginia/ /Big12
501/ /East Carolina/ /American
504/ /Louisville/ /ACC
609/ /Memphis/ /American

 

[Marty Jackson]

so this would suggest Uconn would bring down the ACC's academic prestige?
I would question the validity of any survey that has a score based on a weighted scoring that doesn't add up to 100%.

Maybe I'm missing something but if you look at their scoring methodology, they provide 75% of their methodology. Maybe the other 25% is based on the amount of the check provided by that school to Forbes?

 

[RegisteredUconn]

so this would suggest Uconn would bring down the ACC's academic prestige?
I would question the validity of any survey that has a score based on a weighted scoring that doesn't add up to 100%.

Maybe I'm missing something but if you look at their scoring methodology, they provide 75% of their methodology. Maybe the other 25% is based on the amount of the check provided by that school to Forbes?

Maybe I should have used the conference median for comparisons.

Conference Median
ACC / 117
American / 391
Big Ten / 113.5
Big12 / 279
Pac12 / 129.5
SEC / 217

Nope, get pretty much the same thing except the American looks even worse.

 

[billybud]

In terms of football...

The epicenter of college football is, of late, somewhere in the deep south...to triangulate this epicenter...seven of the last 8 BCS champions came from an arc...(plotted from my home residence).

Tallahassee...0 miles
Tuscaloosa...303 miles NW
Tuscaloosa...303 miles NW
Auburn........192 miles N
Tuscaloosa...303 miles NW
Gainesville...149 miles E
Gainesville....149 miles E

And the 8th NC came from Baton Rouge...443 miles W

Living among the SEC, we hear the pounding of their war drums in the near distance....hear them rattle their spears against their shields, and listen to their pronouncements of our eminent doom.

Glad to know that their conference does poorly on Forbes....some small comfort, I reckon.

 

[SC Husky]

so this would suggest Uconn would bring down the ACC's academic prestige?
I would question the validity of any survey that has a score based on a weighted scoring that doesn't add up to 100%.

Maybe I'm missing something but if you look at their scoring methodology, they provide 75% of their methodology. Maybe the other 25% is based on the amount of the check provided by that school to Forbes?

Their listing is a crock of crap. Although Clemson & Georgia a very good schools there is no way they are better than UCONN. I'm wondering if there is a political bias. Forbes tends to be very conservative & rated UCONN lower because it's in a blue state.

 

[billybud]

US News & WR lists Clemson and UConn as pretty close together (two universities listed between them).

Of course one can argue rankings and methodology until the cow comes home.....but I do doubt that someone said..."Oh...this school is in a blue state...let's downgrade them".

Didn't hurt MIT and the like.

 

[SC Husky]

US News & WR lists Clemson and UConn as pretty close together (two universities listed between them).

Of course one can argue rankings and methodology until the cow comes home.....but I do doubt that someone said..."Oh...this school is in a blue state...let's downgrade them".

Didn't hurt MIT and the like.

You're right. I just became really ticked off when I saw the list. And you're right - USNWR had Clemson, UGA & UCONN ranked very close together. Forbes and US News & World Report must evaluate the data differently or evaluate different data.

 

[pj]

The University of Georgia is a respected university with a high level of research activity. UConn lists it as a research peer institution (http://www.oir.uconn.edu/Peer_Institutions.html) and that generally indicates you think they are ahead of you, not behind -- you are using them as a model and trying to match them.

Clemson is not as good as UConn overall, partly because it is smaller and does less research, but it's a respected undergraduate school.

You can see some metrics here: http://www.oir.uconn.edu/UConn_Peer_Groups_October_2012.pdf. In 2013 USN&WR ranked UConn and Georgia tied at #21 public university and Clemson at #25.

 

[SC Husky]

The University of Georgia is a respected university with a high level of research activity. UConn lists it as a research peer institution (http://www.oir.uconn.edu/Peer_Institutions.html) and that generally indicates you think they are ahead of you, not behind -- you are using them as a model and trying to match them.

Clemson is not as good as UConn overall, partly because it is smaller and does less research, but it's a respected undergraduate school.

You can see some metrics here: http://www.oir.uconn.edu/UConn_Peer_Groups_October_2012.pdf. In 2013 USN&WR ranked UConn and Georgia tied at #21 public university and Clemson at #25.

Thanks for providing the link. I noticed that NC State & VCU on the list as research universities. I hope UCONN doesn't consider themselves as behind those two schools.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

Of course one can argue rankings and methodology until the cow comes home.....

Sounds like you're running a mighty small dairy there, pardner. Either that or you're getting ready to make a trade for some magic beans.

 

[pj]

Thanks for providing the link. I noticed that NC State & VCU on the list as research universities. I hope UCONN doesn't consider themselves as behind those two schools.

Look again. The research peer list is here: http://www.oir.uconn.edu/Peer_Institutions.html. This select group appears as "BOT Metrics" in the other, larger list. The larger list is a large group of universities being compared to UConn to make UConn look good. It is a propaganda list, if you like.

 

[Huskybite]

UConn is ranked 164 out of more than 600. UConn would be ranked middle of the P5 pack (ND included in ACC): 32 schools better, 33 worse. Would be ranked 12th in ACC, 10th in Big Ten, 2nd in Big 12, 8th in Pac12, and 5th in SEC. Ranked 3rd in the American.

Based on average Forbes ranking, the Big Ten is the brainiest conference with an average of 126 followed by the ACC/131 (congrats on that Louisville add, it cost you 30 points), Pac12/169, the SEC/226, and the Big 12/283. The American's average rank was 341.

Link: http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/

P5 + American Results

2/ /Stanford/ /Pac12
17/ /Notre Dame/ /ACC
19/ /Northwestern/ /Big Ten
23/ /Duke/ /ACC
36/ /Boston College/ /ACC
37/ /California/ /Pac12
40/ /Virginia/ /ACC
44/ /UCLA/ /Pac12
45/ /Michigan/ /Big Ten
50/ /North Carolina/ /ACC
54/ /Vanderbilt/ /SEC
61/ /Wake Forest/ /ACC
68/ /Illinois/ /Big Ten

UConn is ranked 164 out of more than 600. UConn would be ranked middle of the P5 pack (ND included in ACC): 32 schools better, 33 worse. Would be ranked 12th in ACC, 10th in Big Ten, 2nd in Big 12, 8th in Pac12, and 5th in SEC. Ranked 3rd in the American.

Based on average Forbes ranking, the Big Ten is the brainiest conference with an average of 126 followed by the ACC/131 (congrats on that Louisville add, it cost you 30 points), Pac12/169, the SEC/226, and the Big 12/283. The American's average rank was 341.

Link: http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/

P5 + American Results

2/ /Stanford/ /Pac12
17/ /Notre Dame/ /ACC
19/ /Northwestern/ /Big Ten
23/ /Duke/ /ACC
36/ /Boston College/ /ACC
37/ /California/ /Pac12
40/ /Virginia/ /ACC
44/ /UCLA/ /Pac12
45/ /Michigan/ /Big Ten
50/ /North Carolina/ /ACC
54/ /Vanderbilt/ /SEC
61/ /Wake Forest/ /ACC
68/ /Illinois/ /Big Ten
70/ /Wisconsin/ /Big Ten
73/ /Washington/ /Pac12
76/ /Texas/ /Big12
78/ /Southern Cal/ /Pac12
82/ /Maryland/ /Big Ten
87/ /Florida/ /SEC
90/ /Georgia Tech/ /ACC
94/ /Georgia/ /SEC
101/ /SMU/ /American
107/ /Indiana/ /Big Ten
108/ /Minnesota/ /Big Ten
117/ /Virginia Tech/ /ACC
118/ /Colorado/ /Pac12
119/ /Purdue/ /Big Ten
120/ /Miami/ /ACC
137/ /Texas A&M/ /SEC
141/ /Utah/ /Pac12
147/ /Tulane/ /American
155/ /Ohio State/ /Big Ten
158/ /Syracuse/ /ACC
163/ /Clemson/ /ACC
164/ /Connecticut/ /American
166/ /Penn State/ /Big Ten
167/ /North Carolina State/ /ACC
169/ /Michigan State/ /Big Ten
177/ /Rutgers/ /Big Ten
186/ /South Carolina/ /SEC
190/ /LSU/ /SEC
192/ /Iowa/ /Big Ten
195/ /Baylor/ /Big12
198/ /Pittsburgh/ /ACC
202/ /Oklahoma/ /Big12
204/ /Auburn/ /SEC
213/ /Tulsa/ /American
216/ /TCU/ /Big12
226/ /Florida State/ /ACC
230/ /Missouri/ /SEC
235/ /Oregon/ /Pac12
250/ /Arizona/ /Pac12
261/ /Iowa State/ /Big12
280/ /Nebraska/ /Big Ten
292/ /Tennessee/ /SEC
296/ /Arkansas/ /SEC
297/ /Kansas/ /Big12
323/ /Oregon State/ /Pac12
335/ /Alabama/ /SEC
336/ /Kentucky/ /SEC
359/ /Mississippi/ /SEC
362/ /Arizona State/ /Pac12
365/ /Mississippi State/ /SEC
367/ /Kansas State/ /Big12
369/ /Oklahoma State/ /Big12
370/ /Washington State/ /Pac12
388/ /Houston/ /American
391/ /Cincinnati/ /American
397/ /Temple/ /American
402/ /Texas Tech/ /Big12
405/ /Central Florida/ /American
433/ /South Florida/ /American
443/ /West Virginia/ /Big12
501/ /East Carolina/ /American
504/ /Louisville/ /ACC
609/ /Memphis/ /American

73/ /Washington/ /Pac12
76/ /Texas/ /Big12
78/ /Southern Cal/ /Pac12
82/ /Maryland/ /Big Ten
87/ /Florida/ /SEC
90/ /Georgia Tech/ /ACC
94/ /Georgia/ /SEC
101/ /SMU/ /American
107/ /Indiana/ /Big Ten
108/ /Minnesota/ /Big Ten
117/ /Virginia Tech/ /ACC
118/ /Colorado/ /Pac12
119/ /Purdue/ /Big Ten
120/ /Miami/ /ACC
137/ /Texas A&M/ /SEC
141/ /Utah/ /Pac12
147/ /Tulane/ /American
155/ /Ohio State/ /Big Ten
158/ /Syracuse/ /ACC
163/ /Clemson/ /ACC
164/ /Connecticut/ /American
166/ /Penn State/ /Big Ten
167/ /North Carolina State/ /ACC
169/ /Michigan State/ /Big Ten
177/ /Rutgers/ /Big Ten
186/ /South Carolina/ /SEC
190/ /LSU/ /SEC
192/ /Iowa/ /Big Ten
195/ /Baylor/ /Big12
198/ /Pittsburgh/ /ACC
202/ /Oklahoma/ /Big12
204/ /Auburn/ /SEC
213/ /Tulsa/ /American
216/ /TCU/ /Big12
226/ /Florida State/ /ACC
230/ /Missouri/ /SEC
235/ /Oregon/ /Pac12
250/ /Arizona/ /Pac12
261/ /Iowa State/ /Big12
280/ /Nebraska/ /Big Ten
292/ /Tennessee/ /SEC
296/ /Arkansas/ /SEC
297/ /Kansas/ /Big12
323/ /Oregon State/ /Pac12
335/ /Alabama/ /SEC
336/ /Kentucky/ /SEC
359/ /Mississippi/ /SEC
362/ /Arizona State/ /Pac12
365/ /Mississippi State/ /SEC
367/ /Kansas State/ /Big12
369/ /Oklahoma State/ /Big12
370/ /Washington State/ /Pac12
388/ /Houston/ /American
391/ /Cincinnati/ /American
397/ /Temple/ /American
402/ /Texas Tech/ /Big12
405/ /Central Florida/ /American
433/ /South Florida/ /American
443/ /West Virginia/ /Big12
501/ /East Carolina/ /American
504/ /Louisville/ /ACC
609/ /Memphis/ /American

UConn is ranked 164 out of more than 600. UConn would be ranked middle of the P5 pack (ND included in ACC): 32 schools better, 33 worse. Would be ranked 12th in ACC, 10th in Big Ten, 2nd in Big 12, 8th in Pac12, and 5th in SEC. Ranked 3rd in the American.

Based on average Forbes ranking, the Big Ten is the brainiest conference with an average of 126 followed by the ACC/131 (congrats on that Louisville add, it cost you 30 points), Pac12/169, the SEC/226, and the Big 12/283. The American's average rank was 341.

Link: http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/

P5 + American Results

2/ /Stanford/ /Pac12
17/ /Notre Dame/ /ACC
19/ /Northwestern/ /Big Ten
23/ /Duke/ /ACC
36/ /Boston College/ /ACC
37/ /California/ /Pac12
40/ /Virginia/ /ACC
44/ /UCLA/ /Pac12
45/ /Michigan/ /Big Ten
50/ /North Carolina/ /ACC
54/ /Vanderbilt/ /SEC
61/ /Wake Forest/ /ACC
68/ /Illinois/ /Big Ten
70/ /Wisconsin/ /Big Ten
73/ /Washington/ /Pac12
76/ /Texas/ /Big12
78/ /Southern Cal/ /Pac12
82/ /Maryland/ /Big Ten
87/ /Florida/ /SEC
90/ /Georgia Tech/ /ACC
94/ /Georgia/ /SEC
101/ /SMU/ /American
107/ /Indiana/ /Big Ten
108/ /Minnesota/ /Big Ten
117/ /Virginia Tech/ /ACC
118/ /Colorado/ /Pac12
119/ /Purdue/ /Big Ten
120/ /Miami/ /ACC
137/ /Texas A&M/ /SEC
141/ /Utah/ /Pac12
147/ /Tulane/ /American
155/ /Ohio State/ /Big Ten
158/ /Syracuse/ /ACC
163/ /Clemson/ /ACC
164/ /Connecticut/ /American
166/ /Penn State/ /Big Ten
167/ /North Carolina State/ /ACC
169/ /Michigan State/ /Big Ten
177/ /Rutgers/ /Big Ten
186/ /South Carolina/ /SEC
190/ /LSU/ /SEC
192/ /Iowa/ /Big Ten
195/ /Baylor/ /Big12
198/ /Pittsburgh/ /ACC
202/ /Oklahoma/ /Big12
204/ /Auburn/ /SEC
213/ /Tulsa/ /American
216/ /TCU/ /Big12
226/ /Florida State/ /ACC
230/ /Missouri/ /SEC
235/ /Oregon/ /Pac12
250/ /Arizona/ /Pac12
261/ /Iowa State/ /Big12
280/ /Nebraska/ /Big Ten
292/ /Tennessee/ /SEC
296/ /Arkansas/ /SEC
297/ /Kansas/ /Big12
323/ /Oregon State/ /Pac12
335/ /Alabama/ /SEC
336/ /Kentucky/ /SEC
359/ /Mississippi/ /SEC
362/ /Arizona State/ /Pac12
365/ /Mississippi State/ /SEC
367/ /Kansas State/ /Big12
369/ /Oklahoma State/ /Big12
370/ /Washington State/ /Pac12
388/ /Houston/ /American
391/ /Cincinnati/ /American
397/ /Temple/ /American
402/ /Texas Tech/ /Big12
405/ /Central Florida/ /American
433/ /South Florida/ /American
443/ /West Virginia/ /Big12
501/ /East Carolina/ /American
504/ /Louisville/ /ACC
609/ /Memphis/ /American

UConn is ranked 164 out of more than 600. UConn would be ranked middle of the P5 pack (ND included in ACC): 32 schools better, 33 worse. Would be ranked 12th in ACC, 10th in Big Ten, 2nd in Big 12, 8th in Pac12, and 5th in SEC. Ranked 3rd in the American.

Based on average Forbes ranking, the Big Ten is the brainiest conference with an average of 126 followed by the ACC/131 (congrats on that Louisville add, it cost you 30 points), Pac12/169, the SEC/226, and the Big 12/283. The American's average rank was 341.

Link: http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/

P5 + American Results

2/ /Stanford/ /Pac12
17/ /Notre Dame/ /ACC
19/ /Northwestern/ /Big Ten
23/ /Duke/ /ACC
36/ /Boston College/ /ACC
37/ /California/ /Pac12
40/ /Virginia/ /ACC
44/ /UCLA/ /Pac12
45/ /Michigan/ /Big Ten
50/ /North Carolina/ /ACC
54/ /Vanderbilt/ /SEC
61/ /Wake Forest/ /ACC
68/ /Illinois/ /Big Ten
70/ /Wisconsin/ /Big Ten
73/ /Washington/ /Pac12
76/ /Texas/ /Big12
78/ /Southern Cal/ /Pac12
82/ /Maryland/ /Big Ten
87/ /Florida/ /SEC
90/ /Georgia Tech/ /ACC
94/ /Georgia/ /SEC
101/ /SMU/ /American
107/ /Indiana/ /Big Ten
108/ /Minnesota/ /Big Ten
117/ /Virginia Tech/ /ACC
118/ /Colorado/ /Pac12
119/ /Purdue/ /Big Ten
120/ /Miami/ /ACC
137/ /Texas A&M/ /SEC
141/ /Utah/ /Pac12
147/ /Tulane/ /American
155/ /Ohio State/ /Big Ten
158/ /Syracuse/ /ACC
163/ /Clemson/ /ACC
164/ /Connecticut/ /American
166/ /Penn State/ /Big Ten
167/ /North Carolina State/ /ACC
169/ /Michigan State/ /Big Ten
177/ /Rutgers/ /Big Ten
186/ /South Carolina/ /SEC
190/ /LSU/ /SEC
192/ /Iowa/ /Big Ten
195/ /Baylor/ /Big12
198/ /Pittsburgh/ /ACC
202/ /Oklahoma/ /Big12
204/ /Auburn/ /SEC
213/ /Tulsa/ /American
216/ /TCU/ /Big12
226/ /Florida State/ /ACC
230/ /Missouri/ /SEC
235/ /Oregon/ /Pac12
250/ /Arizona/ /Pac12
261/ /Iowa State/ /Big12
280/ /Nebraska/ /Big Ten
292/ /Tennessee/ /SEC
296/ /Arkansas/ /SEC
297/ /Kansas/ /Big12
323/ /Oregon State/ /Pac12
335/ /Alabama/ /SEC
336/ /Kentucky/ /SEC
359/ /Mississippi/ /SEC
362/ /Arizona State/ /Pac12
365/ /Mississippi State/ /SEC
367/ /Kansas State/ /Big12
369/ /Oklahoma State/ /Big12
370/ /Washington State/ /Pac12
388/ /Houston/ /American
391/ /Cincinnati/ /American
397/ /Temple/ /American
402/ /Texas Tech/ /Big12
405/ /Central Florida/ /American
433/ /South Florida/ /American
443/ /West Virginia/ /Big12
501/ /East Carolina/ /American
504/ /Louisville/ /ACC
609/ /Memphis/ /American

UConn is ranked 164 out of more than 600. UConn would be ranked middle of the P5 pack (ND included in ACC): 32 schools better, 33 worse. Would be ranked 12th in ACC, 10th in Big Ten, 2nd in Big 12, 8th in Pac12, and 5th in SEC. Ranked 3rd in the American.

Based on average Forbes ranking, the Big Ten is the brainiest conference with an average of 126 followed by the ACC/131 (congrats on that Louisville add, it cost you 30 points), Pac12/169, the SEC/226, and the Big 12/283. The American's average rank was 341.

Link: http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/

P5 + American Results

2/ /Stanford/ /Pac12
17/ /Notre Dame/ /ACC
19/ /Northwestern/ /Big Ten
23/ /Duke/ /ACC
36/ /Boston College/ /ACC
37/ /California/ /Pac12
40/ /Virginia/ /ACC
44/ /UCLA/ /Pac12
45/ /Michigan/ /Big Ten
50/ /North Carolina/ /ACC
54/ /Vanderbilt/ /SEC
61/ /Wake Forest/ /ACC
68/ /Illinois/ /Big Ten
70/ /Wisconsin/ /Big Ten
73/ /Washington/ /Pac12
76/ /Texas/ /Big12
78/ /Southern Cal/ /Pac12
82/ /Maryland/ /Big Ten
87/ /Florida/ /SEC
90/ /Georgia Tech/ /ACC
94/ /Georgia/ /SEC
101/ /SMU/ /American
107/ /Indiana/ /Big Ten
108/ /Minnesota/ /Big Ten
117/ /Virginia Tech/ /ACC
118/ /Colorado/ /Pac12
119/ /Purdue/ /Big Ten
120/ /Miami/ /ACC
137/ /Texas A&M/ /SEC
141/ /Utah/ /Pac12
147/ /Tulane/ /American
155/ /Ohio State/ /Big Ten
158/ /Syracuse/ /ACC
163/ /Clemson/ /ACC
164/ /Connecticut/ /American
166/ /Penn State/ /Big Ten
167/ /North Carolina State/ /ACC
169/ /Michigan State/ /Big Ten
177/ /Rutgers/ /Big Ten
186/ /South Carolina/ /SEC
190/ /LSU/ /SEC
192/ /Iowa/ /Big Ten
195/ /Baylor/ /Big12
198/ /Pittsburgh/ /ACC
202/ /Oklahoma/ /Big12
204/ /Auburn/ /SEC
213/ /Tulsa/ /American
216/ /TCU/ /Big12
226/ /Florida State/ /ACC
230/ /Missouri/ /SEC
235/ /Oregon/ /Pac12
250/ /Arizona/ /Pac12
261/ /Iowa State/ /Big12
280/ /Nebraska/ /Big Ten
292/ /Tennessee/ /SEC
296/ /Arkansas/ /SEC
297/ /Kansas/ /Big12
323/ /Oregon State/ /Pac12
335/ /Alabama/ /SEC
336/ /Kentucky/ /SEC
359/ /Mississippi/ /SEC
362/ /Arizona State/ /Pac12
365/ /Mississippi State/ /SEC
367/ /Kansas State/ /Big12
369/ /Oklahoma State/ /Big12
370/ /Washington State/ /Pac12
388/ /Houston/ /American
391/ /Cincinnati/ /American
397/ /Temple/ /American
402/ /Texas Tech/ /Big12
405/ /Central Florida/ /American
433/ /South Florida/ /American
443/ /West Virginia/ /Big12
501/ /East Carolina/ /American
504/ /Louisville/ /ACC
609/ /Memphis/ /American

I realize the need for and fascination with such rankings, however the data collection and statistical analyses for these lists are usually total crap. As I've said previously, the strength of the school should be based on the type of school within a specific subgroup (large public; small liberal art; private; research-based; graduate programs). UConn undergrad is a major up-and-comer based on the strength of applicants and their comparative GPA and standardized test scores. However, UConn's graduate programs as they relate to research funding lags behind the big boys. Herbst and Co. know this and are trying to push the envelope. The over-all "strength" and reputation of an institution can be measured in many ways and UConn has made significant strides on all levels. For the record, I have attended a small private AAU college, and large public graduate schools--one AAU and one not.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

US News vs. Forbes

The following list gives a comparison between the two rankings. The groupings include a total of 76 institutions: 15 for the ACC (includes ND); 14 for the Big Ten; 10 for the Big 12; 12 for the Pac12; 14 for the SEC; and 11 for the American. Because the original numbers for each ranking service are of different sizes (due to the fact that Forbes ranked a much larger set of schools), I further ranked the universities in each group from 1 through 76. For example, UConn's place in the US News ranking was #57 which placed it 24th on that list, while in Forbes it was #164, good for 35th position.

The numbers below represent the schools position of the Forbes list, the position on the US News list, and the difference between the two ranks. A negative difference indicates that the school is ranked higher by US News and a positive difference means Forbes ranked them higher. Forbes ranked UConn 11 places lower than US News. The biggest differentials were Penn State ranked 21 places higher by US News and Utah ranked 27 places higher by Forbes.

1 | 1 | 0 | Stanford | Pac12
2 | 5 | 3 | Notre Dame | ACC
3 | 3 | 0 | Northwestern | Big Ten
4 | 2 | -2 | Duke | ACC
5 | 13 | 8 | Boston College | ACC
6 | 6 | 0 | California | Pac12
7 | 7 | 0 | Virginia | ACC
8 | 7 | -1 | UCLA | Pac12
9 | 11 | 2 | Michigan | Big Ten
10 | 12 | 2 | North Carolina | ACC
11 | 4 | -7 | Vanderbilt | SEC
12 | 7 | -5 | Wake Forest | ACC
13 | 16 | 3 | Illinois | Big Ten
14 | 16 | 2 | Wisconsin | Big Ten
15 | 20 | 5 | Washington | Pac12
16 | 20 | 4 | Texas | Big12
17 | 7 | -10 | Southern Cal | Pac12
18 | 27 | 9 | Maryland | Big Ten
19 | 19 | 0 | Florida | SEC
20 | 14 | -6 | Georgia Tech | ACC
21 | 25 | 4 | Georgia | SEC
22 | 25 | 3 | SMU | American
23 | 38 | 15 | Indiana | Big Ten
24 | 32 | 8 | Minnesota | Big Ten
25 | 32 | 7 | Virginia Tech | ACC
26 | 41 | 15 | Colorado | Pac12
27 | 31 | 4 | Purdue | Big Ten
28 | 18 | -10 | Miami | ACC
29 | 32 | 3 | Texas A&M | SEC
30 | 57 | 27 | Utah | Pac12
31 | 20 | -11 | Tulane | American
32 | 20 | -12 | Ohio State | Big Ten
33 | 27 | -6 | Syracuse | ACC
34 | 27 | -7 | Clemson | ACC
35 | 24 | -11 | Connecticut | American
36 | 15 | -21 | Penn State | Big Ten
37 | 47 | 10 | North Carolina State | ACC
38 | 32 | -6 | Michigan State | Big Ten
39 | 32 | -7 | Rutgers | Big Ten
40 | 54 | 14 | South Carolina | SEC
41 | 61 | 20 | LSU | SEC
42 | 32 | -10 | Iowa | Big Ten
43 | 38 | -5 | Baylor | Big12
44 | 27 | -17 | Pittsburgh | ACC
45 | 47 | 2 | Oklahoma | Big12
46 | 44 | -2 | Auburn | SEC
47 | 41 | -6 | Tulsa | American
48 | 40 | -8 | TCU | Big12
49 | 44 | -5 | Florida State | ACC
50 | 46 | -4 | Missouri | SEC
51 | 53 | 2 | Oregon | Pac12
52 | 55 | 3 | Arizona | Pac12
53 | 47 | -6 | Iowa State | Big12
54 | 47 | -7 | Nebraska | Big Ten
55 | 47 | -8 | Tennessee | SEC
56 | 59 | 3 | Arkansas | SEC
57 | 47 | -10 | Kansas | Big12
58 | 64 | 6 | Oregon State | Pac12
59 | 41 | -18 | Alabama | SEC
60 | 55 | -5 | Kentucky | SEC
61 | 68 | 7 | Mississippi | SEC
62 | 64 | 2 | Arizona State | Pac12
63 | 64 | 1 | Mississippi State | SEC
64 | 61 | -3 | Kansas State | Big12
65 | 64 | -1 | Oklahoma State | Big12
66 | 59 | -7 | Washington State | Pac12
67 | 75 | 8 | Houston | American
68 | 61 | -7 | Cincinnati | American
69 | 57 | -12 | Temple | American
70 | 69 | -1 | Texas Tech | Big12
71 | 71 | 0 | Central Florida | American
72 | 71 | -1 | South Florida | American
73 | 71 | -2 | West Virginia | Big12
74 | 74 | 0 | East Carolina | American
75 | 69 | -6 | Louisville | ACC
76 | 76 | 0 | Memphis | American

 

[SC Husky]

Look again. The research peer list is here: http://www.oir.uconn.edu/Peer_Institutions.html. This select group appears as "BOT Metrics" in the other, larger list. The larger list is a large group of universities being compared to UConn to make UConn look good. It is a propaganda list, if you like.

Got it, Thanks.

 

[upstater]

US News & WR lists Clemson and UConn as pretty close together (two universities listed between them).

Of course one can argue rankings and methodology until the cow comes home.....but I do doubt that someone said..."Oh...this school is in a blue state...let's downgrade them".

Didn't hurt MIT and the like.

Holy cow, stop.

They are basing this on ratemyprofessors.com rankings to a large degree.

This list is pathetic.

 

[John Greene]

We can argue with and resent the position of UConn on this list all we want, but if you look at all of the schools on Registered's list above us, it is hard for me to come up with more than a handful with which I would have a question. As I look at this list I realize that SH really does have her hands full if she hopes to move us up against that sort of competition.

 

[pj]

Holy cow, stop.

They are basing this on ratemyprofessors.com rankings to a large degree.

This list is pathetic.

That's a pretty good proxy for SAT scores. Smarter kids rate their professors more highly. When I was teaching, the best way to get terrific student ratings was to teach an honors course.

 

[pj]

We can argue with and resent the position of UConn on this list all we want, but if you look at all of the schools on Registered's list above us, it is hard for me to come up with more than a handful with which I would have a question. As I look at this list I realize that SH really does have her hands full if she hopes to move us up against that sort of competition.

It will be hard for UConn to move up these particular lists, but UConn has plenty of room to move upward on the research / graduate program / AAU metrics that the B1G is most interested in.

 

[John Greene]

It will be hard for UConn to move up these particular lists, but UConn has plenty of room to move upward on the research / graduate program / AAU metrics that the B1G is most interested in.

I hope you may be right, but I expect that most of the schools above us on that list are also working hard on the research/graduate program front. These lists are for consumption by prospective undergraduates and their parents. Since college sports is really an undergraduate phenomenon they may have more impact that we would like.

 

[pj]

I hope you may be right, but I expect that most of the schools above us on that list are also working hard on the research/graduate program front. These lists are for consumption by prospective undergraduates and their parents. Since college sports is really an undergraduate phenomenon they may have more impact that we would like.

All universities are indeed working at improving, but UConn has the advantage that they are growing. It's much easier to improve your faculty profile when you can hire faculty.

While growth helps with the graduate/research metrics, it tends to hurt you on undergraduate metrics, since it means you will be less selective in admissions.

 

[Irishfan]

US News vs. Forbes

The following list gives a comparison between the two rankings. The groupings include a total of 76 institutions: 15 for the ACC (includes ND); 14 for the Big Ten; 10 for the Big 12; 12 for the Pac12; 14 for the SEC; and 11 for the American. Because the original numbers for each ranking service are of different sizes (due to the fact that Forbes ranked a much larger set of schools), I further ranked the universities in each group from 1 through 76. For example, UConn's place in the US News ranking was #57 which placed it 24th on that list, while in Forbes it was #164, good for 35th position.

The numbers below represent the schools position of the Forbes list, the position on the US News list, and the difference between the two ranks. A negative difference indicates that the school is ranked higher by US News and a positive difference means Forbes ranked them higher. Forbes ranked UConn 11 places lower than US News. The biggest differentials were Penn State ranked 21 places higher by US News and Utah ranked 27 places higher by Forbes.

1 | 1 | 0 | Stanford | Pac12
2 | 5 | 3 | Notre Dame | ACC
3 | 3 | 0 | Northwestern | Big Ten
4 | 2 | -2 | Duke | ACC
5 | 13 | 8 | Boston College | ACC
6 | 6 | 0 | California | Pac12
7 | 7 | 0 | Virginia | ACC
8 | 7 | -1 | UCLA | Pac12
9 | 11 | 2 | Michigan | Big Ten
10 | 12 | 2 | North Carolina | ACC
11 | 4 | -7 | Vanderbilt | SEC
12 | 7 | -5 | Wake Forest | ACC
13 | 16 | 3 | Illinois | Big Ten
14 | 16 | 2 | Wisconsin | Big Ten
15 | 20 | 5 | Washington | Pac12
16 | 20 | 4 | Texas | Big12
17 | 7 | -10 | Southern Cal | Pac12
18 | 27 | 9 | Maryland | Big Ten
19 | 19 | 0 | Florida | SEC
20 | 14 | -6 | Georgia Tech | ACC
21 | 25 | 4 | Georgia | SEC
22 | 25 | 3 | SMU | American
23 | 38 | 15 | Indiana | Big Ten
24 | 32 | 8 | Minnesota | Big Ten
25 | 32 | 7 | Virginia Tech | ACC
26 | 41 | 15 | Colorado | Pac12
27 | 31 | 4 | Purdue | Big Ten
28 | 18 | -10 | Miami | ACC
29 | 32 | 3 | Texas A&M | SEC
30 | 57 | 27 | Utah | Pac12
31 | 20 | -11 | Tulane | American
32 | 20 | -12 | Ohio State | Big Ten
33 | 27 | -6 | Syracuse | ACC
34 | 27 | -7 | Clemson | ACC
35 | 24 | -11 | Connecticut | American
36 | 15 | -21 | Penn State | Big Ten
37 | 47 | 10 | North Carolina State | ACC
38 | 32 | -6 | Michigan State | Big Ten
39 | 32 | -7 | Rutgers | Big Ten
40 | 54 | 14 | South Carolina | SEC
41 | 61 | 20 | LSU | SEC
42 | 32 | -10 | Iowa | Big Ten
43 | 38 | -5 | Baylor | Big12
44 | 27 | -17 | Pittsburgh | ACC
45 | 47 | 2 | Oklahoma | Big12
46 | 44 | -2 | Auburn | SEC
47 | 41 | -6 | Tulsa | American
48 | 40 | -8 | TCU | Big12
49 | 44 | -5 | Florida State | ACC
50 | 46 | -4 | Missouri | SEC
51 | 53 | 2 | Oregon | Pac12
52 | 55 | 3 | Arizona | Pac12
53 | 47 | -6 | Iowa State | Big12
54 | 47 | -7 | Nebraska | Big Ten
55 | 47 | -8 | Tennessee | SEC
56 | 59 | 3 | Arkansas | SEC
57 | 47 | -10 | Kansas | Big12
58 | 64 | 6 | Oregon State | Pac12
59 | 41 | -18 | Alabama | SEC
60 | 55 | -5 | Kentucky | SEC
61 | 68 | 7 | Mississippi | SEC
62 | 64 | 2 | Arizona State | Pac12
63 | 64 | 1 | Mississippi State | SEC
64 | 61 | -3 | Kansas State | Big12
65 | 64 | -1 | Oklahoma State | Big12
66 | 59 | -7 | Washington State | Pac12
67 | 75 | 8 | Houston | American
68 | 61 | -7 | Cincinnati | American
69 | 57 | -12 | Temple | American
70 | 69 | -1 | Texas Tech | Big12
71 | 71 | 0 | Central Florida | American
72 | 71 | -1 | South Florida | American
73 | 71 | -2 | West Virginia | Big12
74 | 74 | 0 | East Carolina | American
75 | 69 | -6 | Louisville | ACC
76 | 76 | 0 | Memphis | American

Go Irish

 

[Chin Diesel]

There's a bazillion different ways to assess colleges.

For me the biggest assessor is job placement by career field compared to other colleges and universities and pay within the career field.

Learning for the sake of learning is cute and all that. But if you want to learn for joy of learning and gaining a broad perspective, go to the library and read. It isn't worth the cost of college if you don't have a place to utilize the learning gained and a paycheck to pay for it.

 

[Adios]

Their listing is a crock of crap. Although Clemson & Georgia a very good schools there is no way they are better than UCONN. I'm wondering if there is a political bias. Forbes tends to be very conservative & rated UCONN lower because it's in a blue state.

There sure is some sort of bias.

Notre Dame as the second best school? Really??

 

[Huskybite]

All universities are indeed working at improving, but UConn has the advantage that they are growing. It's much easier to improve your faculty profile when you can hire faculty.

While growth helps with the graduate/research metrics, it tends to hurt you on undergraduate metrics, since it means you will be less selective in admissions.

Exactly. This is the double-edged sword. If you want to be perceived as bigger, more applicants need to be accepted and the quality of the undergrad class will likely decline in the short- to mid-term. But with bigger comes more money, more grant and research money and more sought-after grad programs.

 

[upstater]

That's a pretty good proxy for SAT scores. Smarter kids rate their professors more highly. When I was teaching, the best way to get terrific student ratings was to teach an honors course.

Better ratings come from grade inflation.