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I don't have to name them since Geno and CD have already named them. They named Olivia, Evina, Christyn, Paige, Nika, Anna, and Aaliyah. All of them average more minutes per game than Aubrey because they are more confident and certainly more consistent than Aubrey. They are trusted to play more minutes.

The other players on the team should be held to the same standard...
So you doubt the judgement of two hall of fame coaches and believe they don't know which players should play more or less minutes? Such arrogance! :D I do admire your loyalty to Aubrey ... or perhaps more so to your opinion than Aubrey.
Let's be clear, every individual player has what the coaching staff deems to be a projected growth path. however to take out one player for being inconsistent, and not Confident etc to play another player who suffers from pretty much the same issues is kinda crazy.. especially when you look at the comparable game stats of each player.

Unless of course, they are viewing the other players to be "consistently" passing up open shots :) or to be "confident" another player will make the shot and therefore are trusted to rely on someone else to make the play for them as positives :)

I love our coaches to death, but they are human and therefore subject to error.. I've lived long enough to know some players need different approaches to be successful.. How many well-intended parents have caused damage to their children by holding on to the same approach that was successful with another child? it doesn't always work. They took a chance on Nika by giving her more playing time despite her horrid shooting initially and look how that turned out.. So why not do the same for Aubrey despite her inconsistencies?
 

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I said that about High Point, UConn gave up a lot of points to them... I wonder if this is the most points a team has scored against UConn in the 1st Round of a NCAA tournament

Lol no. In 08-09 — a national championship season — UConn gave up 65 points in a first round win over Vermont.
 

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Well, when Nika went down, I’m pretty sure Anna was put in as a ball handler. If Nika isn’t ready today, the choice would be start Aaliyah or start Anna. Aubrey is an unlikely first or second choice. Obviously she’s a disrupter and occasional scorer. But Aaliya is already way ahead of her as far as playing in the post area. Anna is way ahead of her as a ball handler. Aubrey is a net plus and would start for plenty of teams. UConn has the luxury of using her as needed.

As far as the High Point game goes, that team would’ve shot from half court if need be. The game wasn’t close ever and two or three of their 3s were banked, in otherwise known as an air ball that hit the backboard. So if Aubrey played more maybe they don’t get more than 45 points. Aubrey has played two full seasons and hasn’t shown a lot more reliable offense. I know, neither has Anna, but at the moment, both have pretty specific skills and Anna fills the bill for a missing Nika. Could be different against a more athletic team.
Sorry but when Nika came out it was Christyn that was inserted... So that was not the case... as I stated earlier, Anna came in to spell Olivia, who is a forward and defensive presence.. they were plenty of capable ball handlers on the court, Paige, Christyn, Evina.. we didn't really need 4 of them on the court, High point was not pressing our team or forcing any significant amount of turnovers.
 
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I like AG. She has good hands to catch ball in the pain as well. She deserves more minutes on the court, especially for tomorrow game. They are tall and strong. We need AG's toughness,
 

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They took a chance on Nika by giving her more playing time despite her horrid shooting initially and look how that turned out.. So why not do the same for Aubrey despite her inconsistencies?
Nika is a multi-dimensional player. Aubrey? One dimensional.
Aubrey has been given many opportunities. She is athletic. Nika is a basketball player. Fortunately we won't have this discussion next season. Aubrey will buried under all of the new multi-dimensional talent.
 

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Sorry but when Nika came out it was Christyn that was inserted... So that was not the case... as I stated earlier, Anna came in to spell Olivia, who is a forward and defensive presence.. they were plenty of capable ball handlers on the court, Paige, Christyn, Evina.. we didn't really need 4 of them on the court, High point was not pressing our team or forcing any significant amount of turnovers.
This was High Point. They couldn’t score much inside if they’d put in Autumn. Anna needs floor time. So if Aubrey plays maybe High Point scores 10 less points. So? Against another, better, more athletic team, there might be bigger questions. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that was more like a preseason game than anything else.
 
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Nika is a multi-dimensional player. Aubrey? One dimensional.
Aubrey has been given many opportunities. She is athletic. Nika is a basketball player. Fortunately we won't have this discussion next season. Aubrey will buried under all of the new multi-dimensional talent.

I like Nika but she is not that multi-dimensional. Let's see what Aubrey can develop in the off-season and what all the new multi-dimensional talent can bring to the college game before you bury her, heh?
 

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I have no problem with that being an issue "next Year", but this season, there is no longer a justification to punish Aubrey in hopes of Anna finding her confidence. The postseason is already here, if Anna hasn't found it by now, time to pack that in. and besides It is Muhl who has taken her job.

And where is it written that every player on the court has to be threat from midrange or 3 to be effective? Nonsense! The young lady brings more to the table than that. 18pts is 18 pts whether it's done by outside shooting or done by hustle play and put-backs.
This is not nonsense nor does it need to be written anywhere. It has been proven again and again in basketball. Any offense simply works better when all five players on the floor are an offensive threat and the defense has to guard all five players on the floor preferably from all positions on the floor . Notice I said in basketball and not just UCONN WBB. Aubrey is arguably the most athletic player on the rosters but her offensive basketball skills are declining. That decline is not just in the deep shooting. As a Freshman Aubrey did not understand the read and react offense well enough and you could see the hesitation and overthinking what to do next . Her understanding and movement in the offense increased greatly at the start of this season. Lately the hesitation is back for Aubrey as are these two notable things: 1)She has become god awful a setting screens and rarely gets a piece of defender. 2) Whether it is off a rebound or in the half court sets Aubrey is treating the ball like a hot potato and can't wait to get rid of it. The latter is the most concerning; for a player who was the go to offensive player in HS when was the last time Aubrey confidently took more than two dribbles or advanced the ball to half court? I agree with @SVCBeercats that all players should be held to the same standard. I believe the players are being held to the same standard in this case. The other thing to consider is that not all players learn the offense and are able to perform at the same rate. There are 4 players in the rotation ahead of Aubrey and what all four have in common is this is their first season in this offense. This is Aubrey's 2nd season-I'll be honest I though Aubrey would have firmly secured a starting spot by now against this roster.
 
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Aubrey is where she should be in the rotation, as has been stated by HuskyNan and others with the quotes from Coaches and starters.

I think (hope) she has a HUGE leap this off season and is one of the first off the bench next year.
 

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FWIW, Mir has the same problem as Aubrey and looks like a freshman Aubrey most of the time. Unfortunately for her, we now have a sophomore Aubrey, a more experienced one, so she doesn’t get much floor time. :( I’m a Mir fan and am rooting for both of them. The more options Geno has, the better.
 
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From the guy that decides who to play:

“There’s a lot that Aubrey can do that she’s not doing both offensively and defensively. And I’m asking her to do more and usually when you ask people to do more, they like that,” Auriemma said. “So I’m hoping that we can get her to do more. More of the good things that she does and less of the tentative things that she does.”

And from Evina:

“She knows what to do know. She knows what she’s capable of and I think she just fights herself more than anything,” Westbrook said. “Like ‘Okay, should I do it now? Let me just wait.’ And I can physically see her thinking in her mind, I’m like ‘Hey, just go, just do it. If you mess up, you mess up. Just do it whatever whatever you’re thinking in a moment. Just do it.’”

Thanks for providing coach and player incite. Perhaps AG over thinks as she has had to play several different positions against different types of opponents. This can be challenging for anybody. Most of the starter know their rolls well but AG is a floating player at times, positionless? As a soph with many new freshmen she is trying to fit in but perhaps should just play to her personal strengths. I hope she can sort it out but playing fewer minutes per game make that a reach. She if very important to the team and can overwhelm opponents at times.
 

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This is not nonsense nor does it need to be written anywhere. It has been proven again and again in basketball. Any offense simply works better when all five players on the floor are an offensive threat and the defense has to guard all five players on the floor preferably from all positions on the floor . Notice I said in basketball and not just UCONN WBB. Aubrey is arguably the most athletic player on the rosters but her offensive basketball skills are declining. That decline is not just in the deep shooting. As a Freshman Aubrey did not understand the read and react offense well enough and you could see the hesitation and overthinking what to do next . Her understanding and movement in the offense increased greatly at the start of this season. Lately the hesitation is back for Aubrey as are these two notable things: 1)She has become god awful a setting screens and rarely gets a piece of defender. 2) Whether it is off a rebound or in the half court sets Aubrey is treating the ball like a hot potato and can't wait to get rid of it. The latter is the most concerning; for a player who was the go to offensive player in HS when was the last time Aubrey confidently took more than two dribbles or advanced the ball to half court? I agree with @SVCBeercats that all players should be held to the same standard. I believe the players are being held to the same standard in this case. The other thing to consider is that not all players learn the offense and are able to perform at the same rate. There are 4 players in the rotation ahead of Aubrey and what all four have in common is this is their first season in this offense. This is Aubrey's 2nd season-I'll be honest I though Aubrey would have firmly secured a starting spot by now against this roster.
I think you have not read my response clearly, it was in response to Aubrey needing to develop an outside shot to be an effective contributor on offense for her team... That is simply not true.. Tell that to the Chicago Bulls Dennis Rodman and we can go on and on with examples of players who have made millions that can't shoot for crap. Look at the numbers and you will see that despite what you believe to be true that Aubrey has scored more consistently than several others who are supposedly ahead of her..
 
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What exactly does Aubrey have to do to get some love from you folks?

Imagine against Highpoint, a team that thrives on the 3 Ball, our defense allowed 34 Attempts, 34!!
Guess how many of those attempts were by a player guarded by Aubrey? Go ahead guess.
The only other player that was effective in preventing Highpoint from hoisting up 3's may have been Olivia.
Even everybody's Defensive Darling, (and rightfully so) Nika gave up at least one, before her unfortunate injury..

In 13 Mins of Playing time, besides being effective at slowing down the deep threat, Aubrey still managed to Score 9pts on 4 of 6 Shooting, which is 66% (3rd Best) behind Aaliyah 80%, Paige 69%, snatched 7 rebounds (Roughly 1 every 2 mins of playing time, the best rate of the entire team). 1 assist, (worthy of play of the game) and 0 Turnovers.
Yet I do not see one single topic thread acknowledging her contributions to the first-round win.

You guys are a tough crowd. SMH
One could only imagine if she was given 26 mins of playing time.. :)
The coaches don't seem to give her much love, either. Although I am sure they love her.
 

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I think you have not read my response clearly, it was in response to Aubrey needing to develop an outside shot to be an effective contributor on offense for her team... That is simply not true.. Tell that to the Chicago Bulls Dennis Rodman and we can go on and on with examples of players who have made millions that can't shoot for crap. Look at the numbers and you will see that despite what you believe to be true that Aubrey has scored more consistently than several others who are supposedly ahead of her..
Although I "might" forgive you for confusing Paige with MJ this version of UCONN WBB does not have anyone who could possibly equate to Scottie Pippen. Dennis Rodman was able to specialize because on those Bulls teams because he was HoF specialist sharing the floor with at least two other HoF players who would have made the HoF solely based on the way they played defense. This makes your comparison kinda of luda.
 
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Ask the wizard himself. Geno will reply "who do I take out?"
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Petition Geno and CD. They can show it to Paige so she will not pout next time she is taken out.
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In my View, there are other players on our team who are at this stage still "over thinking", Mama E included... So why pick on Aubrey? Christyn did, didn't impact her mins? :) Anna has her entire UConn career so far. ONO also has been guilty of this... Read and react requires thought, does it not?

Let me ask you all this, How many turnovers have AG committed in the last few games or throughout the post season so far? How many? :) hmmmm
Westbrook hit the nail on the head; you cannot think when you are on the court, it is a killer. Play and whatever happens happen. A player either trusts their talent or they don’t. Up to now, Griffin has not.
 
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Although I "might" forgive you for confusing Paige with MJ this version of UCONN WBB does not have anyone who could possibly equate to Scottie Pippen. Dennis Rodman was able to specialize because on those Bulls teams because he was HoF specialist sharing the floor with at least two other HoF players who would have made the HoF solely based on the way they played defense. This makes your comparison kinda of luda.
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and on the Detroit Bad Boys as well
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Although I "might" forgive you for confusing Paige with MJ this version of UCONN WBB does not have anyone who could possibly equate to Scottie Pippen. Dennis Rodman was able to specialize because on those Bulls teams because he was HoF specialist sharing the floor with at least two other HoF players who would have made the HoF solely based on the way they played defense. This makes your comparison kinda of luda.
LOL, so there are no projected Future Hall of Famer's on this current UConn team? Nice try :)
That might be considered a slap in the face to both AE and ONO, just saying
 

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Thanks for providing coach and player incite. Perhaps AG over thinks as she has had to play several different positions against different types of opponents. This can be challenging for anybody. Most of the starter know their rolls well but AG is a floating player at times, positionless? As a soph with many new freshmen she is trying to fit in but perhaps should just play to her personal strengths. I hope she can sort it out but playing fewer minutes per game make that a reach. She if very important to the team and can overwhelm opponents at times.
This is simply not accurate and a common misconception. Aubrey has been asked to play 2 positions in her entire time at UCONN. Playing 2 Positions is standard for all UCONN players. Aubrey has been asked to play the (3) SF and (4) PF. A big part of the misconception is because people are confusing the substitutions. For example Aubrey came into the last game for Liv. This did not mean that Aubrey went into the game to play the center position. Even in Garbage time Aubrey is never asked to play the center it is usually Mir or Piath sliding into the center position.
 
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I can support your point with the change of one word. I would have said, "Other than that, she is a heck of an athlete." Her one on one game is superb. She is a ball hawk who uses her superior quickness and jumping ability to turn scrums into points. What did Geno say about her, "She will do 5 things that make you say why isn't she getting 40 minutes a game and then she will do 5 things that will make you shake your head." As long as she does those 5 shake your head things she will only be used in situations and, I assume, will be directed by the coach what her designated task is to be.

I greatly enjoy watching #44 play. I see your reasons for supporting the lady and they are valid, but her playing time will continue to be diminished by her incomplete basketball IQ.
GA speaks with a lot of hyperbole. Obviously and I know this and I'm sure you do as well, she is not doing something. But, what she does do is a heck of a lot of things in a very short period of time that will help win games. This is why so many people ask this question on this site and in the media. I can't say that she has an incomplete BB IQ.
 
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In my View, there are other players on our team who are at this stage still "over thinking", Mama E included... So why pick on Aubrey? Christyn did, didn't impact her mins? :) Anna has her entire UConn career so far. ONO also has been guilty of this... Read and react requires thought, does it not?

Let me ask you all this, How many turnovers have AG committed in the last few games or throughout the post season so far? How many? :) hmmmm
You can quote stats all you want, they mean very little to me. I am not here to denigrate any player, especially one who plays as hard as Griffin but the eye test says it all. If you don’t see that, we just disagree.
And I have posted this before, I knew her Dad fairly well when he played at SHU and he is class personified so I root for his daughter like crazy but her abilities and potential have just not manifested themselves on the court yet. Hopefully they will but the quotes from Auriemma provided here trump any and all of the stats you cite.
 

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LOL, so there are no projected Future Hall of Famer's on this current UConn team? Nice try :)
That might be considered a slap in the face to both AE and ONO, just saying
You got AE and ONO making THE Hall?
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