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Message: [QUOTE="storrsroars, post: 3952102, member: 2500"] Excellent post from a comedy nerd perspective, which I am. We've likely all heard the term, "Comedian's comedian". That describes someone who's got excellent writing, great craft, works the clubs tirelessly, but may or may not have achieved great public adoration as they're oft times either too edgy or "mean". For years Richard Belzer wore the crown, but his schtick didn't translate to middle America and he never got to the top tier. Leno was a god to many as he'd work anywhere, do several gigs a night and had mountains of material. Too bad he basically ruined his rep with all the Tonight Show crap. Doug Stanhope is sort of there now. He may be the most extreme comic working today. There's stuff he does that might even make CK blush. As for CK, I loved his stuff, but I always wondered what his kids would think once they were old enough to watch the routines, because they were brutal. Telling stories - Mike Birbiglia is not everyone's cup of tea, but he's brilliant at this. Each of his specials are basically one theme, one story, off which he goes on different tangents, but it's brilliant and you can tell he's really worked it to perfection, getting some great laughs while also garnering empathy. I couldn't agree more on "needing the physical aspect". People love Maniscalco and Brian Regan, but take away the physical and their stuff just dies. Burr does a decent bit of physical, but it translates even if you just listen to the audio. As to your last point, I did try watching a couple of old Eddie Murphy specials. Cringeworthy when listened to today, with today's societal filters. Definitely not "timeless" like the best of Carlin or Pryor. [/QUOTE]

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