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Message: [QUOTE="mauconnfan, post: 2692548, member: 489"] No it's not he won 20 games his first year without playing for anything with most guys who were half way out the door because of the APR etc etc.. Most of them played very little for JC or were in the doghouse. Then they won a NC so how does this help assess the last 2 years which were just plain horrible? There's no comparison, he went from a guy who could motivate at the very least to a coach who was watching his team lose by 30 every 4-5 games while scratching his head. [/QUOTE]