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Message: [QUOTE="temery, post: 5330783, member: 1"] What he did was without a doubt premeditated. If the guy had died, an argument could've been made that he planned on beating the crap out of the guy, but didn't consider he could die. But he planned to do exactly what he did. If you plan an armed robbery and someone ends up dying, it is 100% on you. It might not be premeditated murder, but it is first-degree murder. In this case, I'd be in favor of putting the kid in jail for the rest of his life and the father in jail with him for just being a stupid terrible father. Source: i've watched every episode of Law and Order at least 10 times. [/QUOTE]